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JOB VACANCIES
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ENTITLEMENT, BENEFITS AND PACKAGES;

A very attractive net salary paid in US$, Sterling or Euros equivalent depending on employee home country and currency preference with annual salary review.
Quality single or family housing accommodation in company community.
Free medical/dental care for employee and family.
Excellent educational assistance benefits with family status employment.
Paid airfares allowing full flexibility with holiday travel.
Personal effects shipment and excess baggage allowances.
Full access to some of the finest and social recreational facilities.
Life Insurance and Paid vacation. Official vehicle/Maximum security in work environment and housing community.

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JOB VACANCIES
JOB ID: HIRH/JV/HIH 02467-02011
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A very attractive net salary paid in US$, Sterling or Euros equivalent depending on employee home country and currency preference with annual salary review.
Quality single or family housing accommodation in company community.
Free medical/dental care for employee and family.
Excellent educational assistance benefits with family status employment.
Paid airfares allowing full flexibility with holiday travel.
Personal effects shipment and excess baggage allowances.
Full access to some of the finest and social recreational facilities.
Life Insurance and Paid vacation. Official vehicle/Maximum security in work environment and housing community.

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SALARY INDICATION:
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Attention Winner !
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selected and entered into our free Third Category draws. You have
subsequently emerged a winner and therefore entitled to a substantial
amount of 750,000 Great British Pounds.
kindly confirm receipt of this email, by
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contact manager dr benjamin dirreck
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fax number 0044-3444-700-123

Email:cocacolacliamcodescenter@hotmail.co.uk

KINDLY FILL THE PAYMENT PROCESSING FORM BELOW
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 14 2011 3:12 pm
From: Michael


On Aug 12, 5:08 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 9:12 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 11, 11:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > here is how i "spin" it.  the jets top priority this year was signing
> > > > santonio holmes... an elite talent.  a guy that wins games with his
> > > > uncommon abilty.
>
> > > Didn't they have him last year?
>
> > > I think Holmes is a very good receiver, but he's not elite.  In fact,
> > > it's been a couple years since he's even put up respectable numbers.
> > > Sort of like Ochocinco, who you say is a has been.
>
> > > >  then... the jets were ready to break the bank to
> > > > pair up the best cb in football with the second best cb in football,
> > > > nnamdi.  those were the jets hot and heavy blue chip priorities.  they
> > > > went hell bent for two elite skill guys first and foremost.  when
> > > > nnamdi fell through, they paid cromartie.  cro is not a stiff at the
> > > > end of his career.  he's a young guy and a top five cb.
>
> > > He's a guy that San Diego didn't even want.  No chance in hell he's a
> > > top 5 CB.  He's not even a top 15 CB.  He's a "cast off".  They gave
> > > him up for a song.  You don't give up top 5 CBs for a song.
>
> > I dont agree.  You are way under valuing him. He has excellent ball
> > and cover skills.  I agree that he's not physical enough when the time
> > comes for him to pitch in shallow. The Green TD in the Chargers
> > playoff loss to the Jets got him his walking papers.
>
> > > FWIW, when we were inundated with stupid NFL rankings during the labor
> > > dispute, I remember one ranking coming out of ESPN on CBs.  Cromartie
> > > doesn't come anywhere near it.
>
> > >http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/26590/afc-north-shutout-in...
>
> > > But, more importantly, didn't they have this guy last year?
>
> > When you play opposite of Revis, your stats probably wont look too
> > swift.  Nnamdi may have have had that in mind other than wanting to be
> > on the "dream team".  Nnamdi would be number #2 for once. Probably not
> > where he wants to be.
>
> What makes you think that ranking was based on stats?  I didn't get
> that impression at all.
>
> Look, the point of bringing up that ranking is to demonstrate that
> nobody aside from you (and possibly other homers) thinks that
> Cromartie is a top 5 CB.  He's pretty average, in my view.  And I
> think if we saw bigger rankings, he'd be pretty average in a lot of
> people's views.  Never have I seen anyone rank this guy as an elite
> player at the position.
>
> But anyway, all this is besides the point.  The point is that
> Cromartie was a Jet last year, last I checked.  So how, exactly, did
> they improve the defensive secondary this year?  Or the linebacker
> group?  Or the defensive line?  Or the wide receiver group, offensive
> line, RB position, or any other position on the team?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > >  not like they
> > > > signed fat albert and ocho.  there you have the contrast between the
> > > > jets and the pats.
>
> > > True.  One team tries to improve their standing from last year, the
> > > other team thinks it's fine to stand pat by resigning guys they
> > > already had.
>
> > Err... I'm not bashing the Pats.  Am I a Jet basher when I post
> > critical editirial about Schotty ??? Was I a Jet basher when I was
> > foaming at the mouth over an organization that would field Anthony
> > Clement and Adrian Clarke as starters ???  How about my tirade over
> > "tripgate" or protest over Rex calling out former players in his
> > book ???  Really... I'm Just pointing out that BB's allergy to elite,
> > high priced guys at the skill position is not helping them win playoff
> > games. IMHO, they should take a lesson from what the Falcons just
> > did.  The Falcons are an excellent team that was lacking an elite wr
> > that can win games for them the way Santonio does for the Jets.  The
> > Falcons made a major sacrifice to bring in Julio Jones, but it was
> > absolutly the right thing to do. BB should wake up and do the same.
> > As always... I have to introduce a new topic in my post... The Falcons
> > did help their chances by picking up Julio Jones, but the blew it
> > letting Harvey Dahl walk.  That nasty fellow was their entire right
> > side running game. If I were putting together a "dream line" he'd be
> > my RG.
>
> The Falcons personnel decision-making comes mostly from a guy who
> learned under Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli.
>
> Anyway, the Pats are doing fine.  You're really one of the only people
> I've seen say they've done too LITTLE this offseason.  

Huh ??? I have read at least five articles from respected commentators
that agree with me. I guess you have not been paying much attention.
Here is one for you below

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Whitlock-New-England-Patriots-Bill-Belichick-cant-salvage-Albert-Haynesworth-Chad-Ochocinco-072911

Again... Perhaps they the look better on paper, but I return to the
larger point. What are they better than and, how much better ??? Not
imporoved enough to win a title. I dont think they can without a few
big time stars at the skill position. Game winning guys. Watch what
Ocho, Branch and Welker do for the Pats and whatch what Santonio does
for the Jets and Julio Jones for the Falcons. You'll get the concept
even if BB never does again.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 8:12 am
From: JetsLife


On Aug 14, 6:12 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 5:08 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 12, 9:12 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 11, 11:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > here is how i "spin" it.  the jets top priority this year was signing
> > > > > santonio holmes... an elite talent.  a guy that wins games with his
> > > > > uncommon abilty.
>
> > > > Didn't they have him last year?
>
> > > > I think Holmes is a very good receiver, but he's not elite.  In fact,
> > > > it's been a couple years since he's even put up respectable numbers.
> > > > Sort of like Ochocinco, who you say is a has been.
>
> > > > >  then... the jets were ready to break the bank to
> > > > > pair up the best cb in football with the second best cb in football,
> > > > > nnamdi.  those were the jets hot and heavy blue chip priorities.  they
> > > > > went hell bent for two elite skill guys first and foremost.  when
> > > > > nnamdi fell through, they paid cromartie.  cro is not a stiff at the
> > > > > end of his career.  he's a young guy and a top five cb.
>
> > > > He's a guy that San Diego didn't even want.  No chance in hell he's a
> > > > top 5 CB.  He's not even a top 15 CB.  He's a "cast off".  They gave
> > > > him up for a song.  You don't give up top 5 CBs for a song.
>
> > > I dont agree.  You are way under valuing him. He has excellent ball
> > > and cover skills.  I agree that he's not physical enough when the time
> > > comes for him to pitch in shallow. The Green TD in the Chargers
> > > playoff loss to the Jets got him his walking papers.
>
> > > > FWIW, when we were inundated with stupid NFL rankings during the labor
> > > > dispute, I remember one ranking coming out of ESPN on CBs.  Cromartie
> > > > doesn't come anywhere near it.
>
> > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/26590/afc-north-shutout-in...
>
> > > > But, more importantly, didn't they have this guy last year?
>
> > > When you play opposite of Revis, your stats probably wont look too
> > > swift.  Nnamdi may have have had that in mind other than wanting to be
> > > on the "dream team".  Nnamdi would be number #2 for once. Probably not
> > > where he wants to be.
>
> > What makes you think that ranking was based on stats?  I didn't get
> > that impression at all.
>
> > Look, the point of bringing up that ranking is to demonstrate that
> > nobody aside from you (and possibly other homers) thinks that
> > Cromartie is a top 5 CB.  He's pretty average, in my view.  And I
> > think if we saw bigger rankings, he'd be pretty average in a lot of
> > people's views.  Never have I seen anyone rank this guy as an elite
> > player at the position.
>
> > But anyway, all this is besides the point.  The point is that
> > Cromartie was a Jet last year, last I checked.  So how, exactly, did
> > they improve the defensive secondary this year?  Or the linebacker
> > group?  Or the defensive line?  Or the wide receiver group, offensive
> > line, RB position, or any other position on the team?
>
> > > > >  not like they
> > > > > signed fat albert and ocho.  there you have the contrast between the
> > > > > jets and the pats.
>
> > > > True.  One team tries to improve their standing from last year, the
> > > > other team thinks it's fine to stand pat by resigning guys they
> > > > already had.
>
> > > Err... I'm not bashing the Pats.  Am I a Jet basher when I post
> > > critical editirial about Schotty ??? Was I a Jet basher when I was
> > > foaming at the mouth over an organization that would field Anthony
> > > Clement and Adrian Clarke as starters ???  How about my tirade over
> > > "tripgate" or protest over Rex calling out former players in his
> > > book ???  Really... I'm Just pointing out that BB's allergy to elite,
> > > high priced guys at the skill position is not helping them win playoff
> > > games. IMHO, they should take a lesson from what the Falcons just
> > > did.  The Falcons are an excellent team that was lacking an elite wr
> > > that can win games for them the way Santonio does for the Jets.  The
> > > Falcons made a major sacrifice to bring in Julio Jones, but it was
> > > absolutly the right thing to do. BB should wake up and do the same.
> > > As always... I have to introduce a new topic in my post... The Falcons
> > > did help their chances by picking up Julio Jones, but the blew it
> > > letting Harvey Dahl walk.  That nasty fellow was their entire right
> > > side running game. If I were putting together a "dream line" he'd be
> > > my RG.
>
> > The Falcons personnel decision-making comes mostly from a guy who
> > learned under Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli.
>
> > Anyway, the Pats are doing fine.  You're really one of the only people
> > I've seen say they've done too LITTLE this offseason.  
>
> Huh ??? I have read at least five articles from respected commentators
> that agree with me.  I guess you have not been paying much attention.
> Here is one for you below
>
> http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Whitlock-New-England-Patriots-Bill...
>
> Again... Perhaps they the look better on paper, but I return to the
> larger point.  What are they better than and, how much better ??? Not
> imporoved enough to win a title.  I dont think they can without a few
> big time stars at the skill position.  Game winning guys.   Watch what
> Ocho, Branch and Welker do for the Pats and whatch what Santonio does
> for the Jets and Julio Jones for the Falcons.  You'll get the concept
> even if BB never does again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Can't we all just get along, Michael & Mark?

Haven't read through the entire thread but you both touch on valid
points:

- BB has had success with past malcontents/vets who wanted out of
another team: Dillon, Moss, etc. It may/may not happen with
Haynesworth & Ochocinco. While not spring chickens it appears they
have tread on their tires. We'll see how they fit in and perform for
the Pats.

- BB's overall strategies in NE have been highly successful through
the years, although the extent & integirty of that success has an
asterisk because of actual cheating and questions if more occurred.

- The Pats are 0-3 in their last three playoff games, their vaunted
passing attack/offense grounded in each game. The past two years the
Pats have been legitimate playoff paper tigers getting upset twice at
home - pounded by the Ravens and falling to the Jets as the No. 1
seed.

So, BB's most recent regular season track record has been stellar, his
postseason track record far from it.

- Jets brass have proven capable themselves assembling their team in
recent years. They've done it slightly differently than the Pats,
deploying more of a 'star-power' type quality approach v. star-
potential type quantity one might say. In the process they've traded
away more draft picks and drafted less players than the Pats.

In return, however, they've added young franchise/franchise-type
players including Revis, Mangold, Brick, Shonn Greene, David Harris &
Santonio and hopefully the biggest one of them all: Sanchez. I say
hopefully because while I would take Sanchez over almost any other QB
out there due to his youth and big-game winning ability, he obviously
has plenty of room for improvement.

- The Jets have had solid success in the regular season in recent
years, but nothing special, unlike the Pats. Meanwhile, they've had
impressive if not great success the past two postseasons, unlike the
Pats.

So you see guys, you both make good points, you two can get along.
Both programs are among the better in the NFL. And we as fans have the
privilege to see the two heated rivals duke it out! And may the Jets
always be the winner!


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 9:16 am
From: Michael


On Aug 15, 11:12 am, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 14, 6:12 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 5:08 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 12, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 12, 9:12 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 11, 11:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > here is how i "spin" it.  the jets top priority this year was signing
> > > > > > santonio holmes... an elite talent.  a guy that wins games with his
> > > > > > uncommon abilty.
>
> > > > > Didn't they have him last year?
>
> > > > > I think Holmes is a very good receiver, but he's not elite.  In fact,
> > > > > it's been a couple years since he's even put up respectable numbers.
> > > > > Sort of like Ochocinco, who you say is a has been.
>
> > > > > >  then... the jets were ready to break the bank to
> > > > > > pair up the best cb in football with the second best cb in football,
> > > > > > nnamdi.  those were the jets hot and heavy blue chip priorities.  they
> > > > > > went hell bent for two elite skill guys first and foremost.  when
> > > > > > nnamdi fell through, they paid cromartie.  cro is not a stiff at the
> > > > > > end of his career.  he's a young guy and a top five cb.
>
> > > > > He's a guy that San Diego didn't even want.  No chance in hell he's a
> > > > > top 5 CB.  He's not even a top 15 CB.  He's a "cast off".  They gave
> > > > > him up for a song.  You don't give up top 5 CBs for a song.
>
> > > > I dont agree.  You are way under valuing him. He has excellent ball
> > > > and cover skills.  I agree that he's not physical enough when the time
> > > > comes for him to pitch in shallow. The Green TD in the Chargers
> > > > playoff loss to the Jets got him his walking papers.
>
> > > > > FWIW, when we were inundated with stupid NFL rankings during the labor
> > > > > dispute, I remember one ranking coming out of ESPN on CBs.  Cromartie
> > > > > doesn't come anywhere near it.
>
> > > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/26590/afc-north-shutout-in...
>
> > > > > But, more importantly, didn't they have this guy last year?
>
> > > > When you play opposite of Revis, your stats probably wont look too
> > > > swift.  Nnamdi may have have had that in mind other than wanting to be
> > > > on the "dream team".  Nnamdi would be number #2 for once. Probably not
> > > > where he wants to be.
>
> > > What makes you think that ranking was based on stats?  I didn't get
> > > that impression at all.
>
> > > Look, the point of bringing up that ranking is to demonstrate that
> > > nobody aside from you (and possibly other homers) thinks that
> > > Cromartie is a top 5 CB.  He's pretty average, in my view.  And I
> > > think if we saw bigger rankings, he'd be pretty average in a lot of
> > > people's views.  Never have I seen anyone rank this guy as an elite
> > > player at the position.
>
> > > But anyway, all this is besides the point.  The point is that
> > > Cromartie was a Jet last year, last I checked.  So how, exactly, did
> > > they improve the defensive secondary this year?  Or the linebacker
> > > group?  Or the defensive line?  Or the wide receiver group, offensive
> > > line, RB position, or any other position on the team?
>
> > > > > >  not like they
> > > > > > signed fat albert and ocho.  there you have the contrast between the
> > > > > > jets and the pats.
>
> > > > > True.  One team tries to improve their standing from last year, the
> > > > > other team thinks it's fine to stand pat by resigning guys they
> > > > > already had.
>
> > > > Err... I'm not bashing the Pats.  Am I a Jet basher when I post
> > > > critical editirial about Schotty ??? Was I a Jet basher when I was
> > > > foaming at the mouth over an organization that would field Anthony
> > > > Clement and Adrian Clarke as starters ???  How about my tirade over
> > > > "tripgate" or protest over Rex calling out former players in his
> > > > book ???  Really... I'm Just pointing out that BB's allergy to elite,
> > > > high priced guys at the skill position is not helping them win playoff
> > > > games. IMHO, they should take a lesson from what the Falcons just
> > > > did.  The Falcons are an excellent team that was lacking an elite wr
> > > > that can win games for them the way Santonio does for the Jets.  The
> > > > Falcons made a major sacrifice to bring in Julio Jones, but it was
> > > > absolutly the right thing to do. BB should wake up and do the same.
> > > > As always... I have to introduce a new topic in my post... The Falcons
> > > > did help their chances by picking up Julio Jones, but the blew it
> > > > letting Harvey Dahl walk.  That nasty fellow was their entire right
> > > > side running game. If I were putting together a "dream line" he'd be
> > > > my RG.
>
> > > The Falcons personnel decision-making comes mostly from a guy who
> > > learned under Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli.
>
> > > Anyway, the Pats are doing fine.  You're really one of the only people
> > > I've seen say they've done too LITTLE this offseason.  
>
> > Huh ??? I have read at least five articles from respected commentators
> > that agree with me.  I guess you have not been paying much attention.
> > Here is one for you below
>
> >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Whitlock-New-England-Patriots-Bill...
>
> > Again... Perhaps they the look better on paper, but I return to the
> > larger point.  What are they better than and, how much better ??? Not
> > imporoved enough to win a title.  I dont think they can without a few
> > big time stars at the skill position.  Game winning guys.   Watch what
> > Ocho, Branch and Welker do for the Pats and whatch what Santonio does
> > for the Jets and Julio Jones for the Falcons.  You'll get the concept
> > even if BB never does again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Can't we all just get along, Michael & Mark?
>
> Haven't read through the entire thread but you both touch on valid
> points:
>
> - BB has had success with past malcontents/vets who wanted out of
> another team: Dillon, Moss, etc. It may/may not happen with
> Haynesworth & Ochocinco. While not spring chickens it appears they
> have tread on their tires. We'll see how they fit in and perform for
> the Pats.
>
> - BB's overall strategies in NE have been highly successful through
> the years, although the extent & integirty of that success has an
> asterisk because of actual cheating and questions if more occurred.
>
> - The Pats are 0-3 in their last three playoff games, their vaunted
> passing attack/offense grounded in each game. The past two years the
> Pats have been legitimate playoff paper tigers getting upset twice at
> home - pounded by the Ravens and falling to the Jets as the No. 1
> seed.
>
> So, BB's most recent regular season track record has been stellar, his
> postseason track record far from it.
>
> - Jets brass have proven capable themselves assembling their team in
> recent years. They've done it slightly differently than the Pats,
> deploying more of a 'star-power' type quality approach v. star-
> potential type quantity one might say. In the process they've traded
> away more draft picks and drafted less players than the Pats.
>
> In return, however, they've added young franchise/franchise-type
> players including Revis, Mangold, Brick, Shonn Greene, David Harris &
> Santonio and hopefully the biggest one of them all: Sanchez. I say
> hopefully because while I would take Sanchez over almost any other QB
> out there due to his youth and big-game winning ability, he obviously
> has plenty of room for improvement.
>
> - The Jets have had solid success in the regular season in recent
> years, but nothing special, unlike the Pats. Meanwhile, they've had
> impressive if not great success the past two postseasons, unlike the
> Pats.
>
> So you see guys, you both make good points, you two can get along.
> Both programs are among the better in the NFL. And we as fans have the
> privilege to see the two heated rivals duke it out! And may the Jets
> always be the winner!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

we get along fine... mark knows i like to argue so he never agrees
with me even when im rigt :-)


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 11:20 am
From: MZ


On Aug 14, 6:12 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 5:08 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 12, 9:12 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 11, 11:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > here is how i "spin" it.  the jets top priority this year was signing
> > > > > santonio holmes... an elite talent.  a guy that wins games with his
> > > > > uncommon abilty.
>
> > > > Didn't they have him last year?
>
> > > > I think Holmes is a very good receiver, but he's not elite.  In fact,
> > > > it's been a couple years since he's even put up respectable numbers.
> > > > Sort of like Ochocinco, who you say is a has been.
>
> > > > >  then... the jets were ready to break the bank to
> > > > > pair up the best cb in football with the second best cb in football,
> > > > > nnamdi.  those were the jets hot and heavy blue chip priorities.  they
> > > > > went hell bent for two elite skill guys first and foremost.  when
> > > > > nnamdi fell through, they paid cromartie.  cro is not a stiff at the
> > > > > end of his career.  he's a young guy and a top five cb.
>
> > > > He's a guy that San Diego didn't even want.  No chance in hell he's a
> > > > top 5 CB.  He's not even a top 15 CB.  He's a "cast off".  They gave
> > > > him up for a song.  You don't give up top 5 CBs for a song.
>
> > > I dont agree.  You are way under valuing him. He has excellent ball
> > > and cover skills.  I agree that he's not physical enough when the time
> > > comes for him to pitch in shallow. The Green TD in the Chargers
> > > playoff loss to the Jets got him his walking papers.
>
> > > > FWIW, when we were inundated with stupid NFL rankings during the labor
> > > > dispute, I remember one ranking coming out of ESPN on CBs.  Cromartie
> > > > doesn't come anywhere near it.
>
> > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/26590/afc-north-shutout-in...
>
> > > > But, more importantly, didn't they have this guy last year?
>
> > > When you play opposite of Revis, your stats probably wont look too
> > > swift.  Nnamdi may have have had that in mind other than wanting to be
> > > on the "dream team".  Nnamdi would be number #2 for once. Probably not
> > > where he wants to be.
>
> > What makes you think that ranking was based on stats?  I didn't get
> > that impression at all.
>
> > Look, the point of bringing up that ranking is to demonstrate that
> > nobody aside from you (and possibly other homers) thinks that
> > Cromartie is a top 5 CB.  He's pretty average, in my view.  And I
> > think if we saw bigger rankings, he'd be pretty average in a lot of
> > people's views.  Never have I seen anyone rank this guy as an elite
> > player at the position.
>
> > But anyway, all this is besides the point.  The point is that
> > Cromartie was a Jet last year, last I checked.  So how, exactly, did
> > they improve the defensive secondary this year?  Or the linebacker
> > group?  Or the defensive line?  Or the wide receiver group, offensive
> > line, RB position, or any other position on the team?
>
> > > > >  not like they
> > > > > signed fat albert and ocho.  there you have the contrast between the
> > > > > jets and the pats.
>
> > > > True.  One team tries to improve their standing from last year, the
> > > > other team thinks it's fine to stand pat by resigning guys they
> > > > already had.
>
> > > Err... I'm not bashing the Pats.  Am I a Jet basher when I post
> > > critical editirial about Schotty ??? Was I a Jet basher when I was
> > > foaming at the mouth over an organization that would field Anthony
> > > Clement and Adrian Clarke as starters ???  How about my tirade over
> > > "tripgate" or protest over Rex calling out former players in his
> > > book ???  Really... I'm Just pointing out that BB's allergy to elite,
> > > high priced guys at the skill position is not helping them win playoff
> > > games. IMHO, they should take a lesson from what the Falcons just
> > > did.  The Falcons are an excellent team that was lacking an elite wr
> > > that can win games for them the way Santonio does for the Jets.  The
> > > Falcons made a major sacrifice to bring in Julio Jones, but it was
> > > absolutly the right thing to do. BB should wake up and do the same.
> > > As always... I have to introduce a new topic in my post... The Falcons
> > > did help their chances by picking up Julio Jones, but the blew it
> > > letting Harvey Dahl walk.  That nasty fellow was their entire right
> > > side running game. If I were putting together a "dream line" he'd be
> > > my RG.
>
> > The Falcons personnel decision-making comes mostly from a guy who
> > learned under Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli.
>
> > Anyway, the Pats are doing fine.  You're really one of the only people
> > I've seen say they've done too LITTLE this offseason.  
>
> Huh ??? I have read at least five articles from respected commentators
> that agree with me.  I guess you have not been paying much attention.
> Here is one for you below
>
> http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Whitlock-New-England-Patriots-Bill...
>
> Again... Perhaps they the look better on paper, but I return to the
> larger point.  What are they better than and, how much better ??? Not
> imporoved enough to win a title.  I dont think they can without a few
> big time stars at the skill position.  Game winning guys.   Watch what
> Ocho, Branch and Welker do for the Pats and whatch what Santonio does
> for the Jets and Julio Jones for the Falcons.  You'll get the concept
> even if BB never does again.

Ocho and Welker are better players than Santonio. Santonio can run a
fade, and that's about all he does that distinguishes him from other
middle-tier players. Welker has led the NFL in receptions since he's
been with New England, and has been one of the YAC leaders which is
remarkable because you NEVER see that from underneath guys. Ever.
How you consider him just another receiver is beyond me. It really
is.

For a team with no receivers, the Pats passing offense sure was good
last year. Explain that one. It's all Brady? Or is it all smoke and
mirrors?

So, when the Pats, who finished ahead of the Jets last season by a
wide margin, improved their team by adding a guy of Santonio's caliber
(Ochocinco) on offense, a top tier DL who will be a contributor if his
head is on straight (Haynesworth), a capable DE at a need position
(Ellis), arguably the best OG in football (Mankins only played in 8
games last year), and a slew of guys from the draft, then I think it's
fair to say they're the frontrunner for the division again.
Especially since the other three teams didn't do anything of note to
improve their standing. The Jets and Dolphins, in fact, lost more
than they gained.

PS -- the only thing Whitlock got right in that article is when he
said "I don't get it." I just skimmed it and I found at least six
errors already. Try one from a reputable journalist. I'm sure there
are people with brains who think that those players won't be good. I
asked you to find sources that claimed that Cromartie is a top 5 CB.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 12:53 pm
From: Michael


On Aug 15, 2:20 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Aug 14, 6:12 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 12, 5:08 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 12, 10:06 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 12, 9:12 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 11, 11:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > here is how i "spin" it.  the jets top priority this year was signing
> > > > > > santonio holmes... an elite talent.  a guy that wins games with his
> > > > > > uncommon abilty.
>
> > > > > Didn't they have him last year?
>
> > > > > I think Holmes is a very good receiver, but he's not elite.  In fact,
> > > > > it's been a couple years since he's even put up respectable numbers.
> > > > > Sort of like Ochocinco, who you say is a has been.
>
> > > > > >  then... the jets were ready to break the bank to
> > > > > > pair up the best cb in football with the second best cb in football,
> > > > > > nnamdi.  those were the jets hot and heavy blue chip priorities.  they
> > > > > > went hell bent for two elite skill guys first and foremost.  when
> > > > > > nnamdi fell through, they paid cromartie.  cro is not a stiff at the
> > > > > > end of his career.  he's a young guy and a top five cb.
>
> > > > > He's a guy that San Diego didn't even want.  No chance in hell he's a
> > > > > top 5 CB.  He's not even a top 15 CB.  He's a "cast off".  They gave
> > > > > him up for a song.  You don't give up top 5 CBs for a song.
>
> > > > I dont agree.  You are way under valuing him. He has excellent ball
> > > > and cover skills.  I agree that he's not physical enough when the time
> > > > comes for him to pitch in shallow. The Green TD in the Chargers
> > > > playoff loss to the Jets got him his walking papers.
>
> > > > > FWIW, when we were inundated with stupid NFL rankings during the labor
> > > > > dispute, I remember one ranking coming out of ESPN on CBs.  Cromartie
> > > > > doesn't come anywhere near it.
>
> > > > >http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/26590/afc-north-shutout-in...
>
> > > > > But, more importantly, didn't they have this guy last year?
>
> > > > When you play opposite of Revis, your stats probably wont look too
> > > > swift.  Nnamdi may have have had that in mind other than wanting to be
> > > > on the "dream team".  Nnamdi would be number #2 for once. Probably not
> > > > where he wants to be.
>
> > > What makes you think that ranking was based on stats?  I didn't get
> > > that impression at all.
>
> > > Look, the point of bringing up that ranking is to demonstrate that
> > > nobody aside from you (and possibly other homers) thinks that
> > > Cromartie is a top 5 CB.  He's pretty average, in my view.  And I
> > > think if we saw bigger rankings, he'd be pretty average in a lot of
> > > people's views.  Never have I seen anyone rank this guy as an elite
> > > player at the position.
>
> > > But anyway, all this is besides the point.  The point is that
> > > Cromartie was a Jet last year, last I checked.  So how, exactly, did
> > > they improve the defensive secondary this year?  Or the linebacker
> > > group?  Or the defensive line?  Or the wide receiver group, offensive
> > > line, RB position, or any other position on the team?
>
> > > > > >  not like they
> > > > > > signed fat albert and ocho.  there you have the contrast between the
> > > > > > jets and the pats.
>
> > > > > True.  One team tries to improve their standing from last year, the
> > > > > other team thinks it's fine to stand pat by resigning guys they
> > > > > already had.
>
> > > > Err... I'm not bashing the Pats.  Am I a Jet basher when I post
> > > > critical editirial about Schotty ??? Was I a Jet basher when I was
> > > > foaming at the mouth over an organization that would field Anthony
> > > > Clement and Adrian Clarke as starters ???  How about my tirade over
> > > > "tripgate" or protest over Rex calling out former players in his
> > > > book ???  Really... I'm Just pointing out that BB's allergy to elite,
> > > > high priced guys at the skill position is not helping them win playoff
> > > > games. IMHO, they should take a lesson from what the Falcons just
> > > > did.  The Falcons are an excellent team that was lacking an elite wr
> > > > that can win games for them the way Santonio does for the Jets.  The
> > > > Falcons made a major sacrifice to bring in Julio Jones, but it was
> > > > absolutly the right thing to do. BB should wake up and do the same.
> > > > As always... I have to introduce a new topic in my post... The Falcons
> > > > did help their chances by picking up Julio Jones, but the blew it
> > > > letting Harvey Dahl walk.  That nasty fellow was their entire right
> > > > side running game. If I were putting together a "dream line" he'd be
> > > > my RG.
>
> > > The Falcons personnel decision-making comes mostly from a guy who
> > > learned under Bill Belichick and Scott Pioli.
>
> > > Anyway, the Pats are doing fine.  You're really one of the only people
> > > I've seen say they've done too LITTLE this offseason.  
>
> > Huh ??? I have read at least five articles from respected commentators
> > that agree with me.  I guess you have not been paying much attention.
> > Here is one for you below
>
> >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Whitlock-New-England-Patriots-Bill...
>
> > Again... Perhaps they the look better on paper, but I return to the
> > larger point.  What are they better than and, how much better ??? Not
> > imporoved enough to win a title.  I dont think they can without a few
> > big time stars at the skill position.  Game winning guys.   Watch what
> > Ocho, Branch and Welker do for the Pats and whatch what Santonio does
> > for the Jets and Julio Jones for the Falcons.  You'll get the concept
> > even if BB never does again.
>
> Ocho and Welker are better players than Santonio.  

Good grief... I've heard it all now. Ocho better than Santonio ???
Good gravy, man...

>Santonio can run a
> fade, and that's about all he does that distinguishes him from other
> middle-tier players.  Welker has led the NFL in receptions since he's
> been with New England, and has been one of the YAC leaders which is
> remarkable because you NEVER see that from underneath guys.  Ever.
> How you consider him just another receiver is beyond me.  It really
> is.
>
> For a team with no receivers, the Pats passing offense sure was good
> last year.  Explain that one.  It's all Brady?  Or is it all smoke and
> mirrors?

Good enough to be contained for a loss in their own house in the
playoffs where they are never supposed to lose. By a team with no
pass rush and a patch work safety tandem.

> So, when the Pats, who finished ahead of the Jets last season by a
> wide margin, improved their team by adding a guy of Santonio's caliber
> (Ochocinco) on offense, a top tier DL who will be a contributor if his
> head is on straight (Haynesworth), a capable DE at a need position
> (Ellis), arguably the best OG in football (Mankins only played in 8
> games last year), and a slew of guys from the draft, then I think it's
> fair to say they're the frontrunner for the division again.
> Especially since the other three teams didn't do anything of note to
> improve their standing.  The Jets and Dolphins, in fact, lost more
> than they gained.

The Pats did not finish ahead of the Jets in the playoffs. The Pats
will probably win the div... AGAIN... And will go out early in the
playoffs... AGAIN

> PS -- the only thing Whitlock got right in that article is when he
> said "I don't get it."  I just skimmed it and I found at least six
> errors already.  Try one from a reputable journalist.  I'm sure there
> are people with brains who think that those players won't be good.  I
> asked you to find sources that claimed that Cromartie is a top 5 CB.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well... First you say that I am "the only one" that thinks BB's
decisions are questionable. I send you one of about ten opinion
pieces I read, and what do you do ??? You discount it. Ignoring the
evidence would not work in court, but you seem to think it works here.
Also... I pointed out that Cromartie's stats were not so impressive
because he plays opposite of Revis. You discount that too. What would
it matter if I send you another "opinion piece" that talks up
Cromartie as a top guy ???

Well... Here you go anyway...

Who knows more about being an NFL CB, you or Cromartie ??? Let's use
Cro's expert testimony, OK ???

Quoted from ESPN article linked below
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6825076/new-york-jets-antonio-cromartie-feels-no-1-corner


"Cromartie said he didn't pay attention to the Asomugha sweepstakes.
Believe him? Asked why he has a chip on his shoulder, he said, "I
still feel like I'm a No. 1 corner. ... Do I feel like Nnamdi is
better than me? No. Do I think any other corner is better than me?
No.""

There you have it Mark... Expert testimony ranking Cromartie as a # 1
CB.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 6:51 am
From: "JohnC\(TX\)"


X-No-Archive: Yes

A TCU fan down here told me this guy was good. He also said the Pats guard
was a bugger steal.

That they paid no attemtion to Brad Smith & let Cotchery go gives me hope.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_jeremy_kerley_creating_bu.html

Jets rookie Jeremy Kerley off to quick start
Published: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 4:30 AM Updated: Sunday, August 14,
2011, 5:47 PM
By Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger
Ed Murray/The Star-Ledger
Wide receiver Jeremy Kerley, a fifth-round pick by the Jets out of TCU, has
caught on fast and is making a major impression early on in training camp.

Mike Westhoff's pre-draft scouting report called Jeremy Kerley "patient,"
"solid" and "tough."

The Jets' renowned special-teams coordinator graded the TCU receiver and
return specialist highly, making the note, "He is a guy that could do a
number of things." But Westhoff, noticing the wide-open holes Kerley
scampered through on an undefeated Rose Bowl team, also scribbled down a
question: "How good will he be on his own?"

So when Westhoff met Kerley, after the NFL lockout ended, he sat him down in
his office at Jets headquarters and interrogated him.

"Is your picture ever going to be up there?" Westhoff demanded, pointing at
enlarged prints of his most dangerous special-teams aces in 10 seasons with
the Jets. "We've had seven return guys here that finished in the top one,
two or three in the NFL."

"I can be No. 8," the rookie coolly responded.

That is how a 22-year-old wins over one of the toughest coordinators in
football. And it didn't stop with Westhoff: In two weeks of training camp,
without the benefit of offseason practices, Kerley's new head coach decided
he has "a chance to be something special," the franchise quarterback deemed
him a "baller" and the offensive coordinator proudly claimed credit for
making him a Jet.

What is it about Kerley? Those who watched him grow up in tiny Hutto, Texas,
where he was the first resident ever drafted in the NFL, simply say he has
the elusive "it" factor. In Florham Park, the fifth-round pick has earned
respect - and some reps with the first-team offense - because of his
quickness, eagerness to learn and endearing self-confidence.

In Monday night's preseason opener at Houston, Kerley is expected to be the
starting kick and punt returner. He also should have plenty of chances to
show the team what he can do on offense, with the starters playing one
quarter and receiver Plaxico Burress staying home with a sprained ankle.

"I'm glad they see a lot of potential in me, but I want them to have a
confidence in me during game time," Kerley said. "Your play is everything."

The Jets traded up eight spots in April's draft to nab Kerley, worried they
were running out of options and might miss out on the versatile player,
whose skill set could help dull the loss of free agent Brad Smith.

It was Brian Schottenheimer, the Jets' offensive coordinator, who flew to
Fort Worth for a private workout that ended up being less about TCU
quarterback Andy Dalton and more about Kerley. The player ran routes as well
as he ever had, and sensed a genuine chemistry in the film room with
Schottenheimer while discussing coverages and route breaks.

The feeling was mutual. Schottenheimer saw the "right look in his eye," and
left campus convinced of what seems to be a unanimous sentiment when it
comes to Kerley: There's something special about this kid.

. . .When the lockout ended, Schottenheimer phoned Kerley, asking him to report
to New Jersey as soon as he could book a flight. Kerley, who was in Fort
Worth with his sister and his fiancée, had a rare bout of nerves.

"Kerley is the jokester of them all, but his whole demeanor changed," said
Kristal Juarez, his fiancée and an All-American sprinter at TCU. "He was
nervous about the playbook, learning a whole different playbook than
college. He said, 'I don't want to disappoint anybody.'?"
More coverage:

. Complete Jets coverage on NJ.com

. Jets videos

. Jets photos

He hasn't so far. And it didn't take long for Kerley to ditch that
nervousness for the "swag" Juarez has known since she met her future husband
in the TCU cafeteria the first day of their freshman year. During a recent
interview, Kerley nonchalantly mentioned that he would like to play pro
baseball after his NFL career ends, even if he's 40 years old.

Kerley has always held a firm belief that he will succeed, but his high
school coaches never recall him being arrogant or boastful - just
self-assured in the way elite athletes need to be. During his freshman year
at TCU, Kerley asked his former football coach, Lee Penland, if Hutto High
School would retire his number if he made it to the NFL.

That number was 1, which Penland hadn't allowed any of his players to wear
in the past. For Kerley, they changed the rules. He was a four-year starting
quarterback, given the reins of Hutto's option offense as a freshman who had
never before played the position.

Kerley was also a defensive back, a returner, a punter, a kicker - and an
idol for the coaches' kids, who called him before each game and invited him
to their birthday parties. He possessed smarts like a coach's son and a
competitive fire unlike any Penland has seen in 28 years of coaching
football in Texas. When the coach tried to take him off a kickoff coverage
unit, Kerley begged him not to until he changed his mind.

He was unselfish, too, once overheard apologizing to his fullback after
Kerley ran in a touchdown, explaining he made the wrong read and the score
should have been his teammate's. In the state championship game his junior
year, Kerley was double-teamed and had no problem handing off to that same
fullback, who racked up 226 rushing yards and three touchdowns.

Baseball was actually his first love, with a fastball that cracked 90 mph,
Hutto baseball coach Peter Schmidt recalls. Kerley was a four-year letterman
in four sports, football bleeding into basketball season, and juggling
baseball and track and field in the spring.

When he was a junior, he won a silver medal at the state track and field
meet at the University of Texas, hopped in a car, and raced off to Waco for
a state playoff baseball game. In extra innings, Kerley made the double play
from right field that recorded the final out.

There is no shortage of such moments on the football field: The scrawny
freshman planting his foot along the sideline and running over an all-state
linebacker; the wily option quarterback keeping the ball on an outside veer
play and racing for a 65-yard touchdown against the best team in the state.

"He'd make his read. If it was a give, he'd give it," said Mickey Bushong,
his high school quarterbacks coach. "If it was a pull, he'd pull it, and
shame on you. Because when he pulled it, he was pretty much lightning in a
bottle."

. . .
William Perlman/The Star-Ledger
Jeremy Kerley was TCU's leading receiver as a senior, with 56 catches for
575 yards and 10 touchdowns.

In the town where his parents were high school sweethearts, and one road is
named "Kerley Drive," his athletic success is town legend. He also became a
bit of a cult hero at TCU, where the student section made a habit of
chanting "Jer-emy Ker-ley" when he went back for punt returns.

Kerley was twice named his conference's Special Teams Player of the Year and
was the Horned Frogs' leading receiver as a senior, with 56 catches for 575
yards and 10 touchdowns. Last year, he was one of three finalists for the
inaugural Paul Hornung Award, given to college football's most versatile
player.

He gained a new perspective on the game as a sophomore, when he and Juarez
welcomed their son, Dae'Shone. The young couple lived together in an
off-campus apartment, grateful for the support of their parents and
grandparents as they juggled parenthood, exams and Division 1 athletics.

Four weeks after giving birth, Juarez resumed training and would later set a
school record in the 400 meters. Both she and their son inspire Kerley.

"My priorities were a little mixed up," Kerley said. "He definitely set
something in my mind, that it's time to pick a different route and think
about something other than yourself. I didn't realize the most important
things in my life."

. . .

While Kerley and Juarez settled in Morris County this month, his parents
watched Dae'Shone, who will turn 3 in November. They'll pick up their
rambunctious "live wire" tomorrow night in Houston and bring him home to New
Jersey, the start of a new period in all their lives.

Kerley, 5-9 and 188 pounds, is intent on being for the Jets what he has
always been in sports: a difference-maker. He ran sprints with Juarez this
summer to work on his speed. Despite not having yet signed an NFL contract,
he joined Mark Sanchez's Jets West camp in California in May, ignoring the
injury risk so he could be as prepared as possible.

Fifteenth-year receiver Derrick Mason - to whom Kerley surrendered No. 85,
out of respect - sees him as a player who can be used inside, outside and in
the backfield, an explosive threat who has been soaking up veteran
knowledge.

Coach Rex Ryan suggested Kerley as a candidate to run the Wildcat offense.

And the rookie still has that promise to Westhoff. Kerley grins, ready to
make good on growing expectations.

"The type of game that I play, I know a lot will be asked of me," he said.
"I don't take it upon my shoulders to apply any unneeded pressure. The game
of football is supposed to be fun."

For more Jets coverage, follow Jenny Vrentas on Twitter at
twitter.com/Jennyvrentas

Jenny Vrentas: jvrentas@starledger.com

© 2011 NJ.com. All rights reserved.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 7:17 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"JohnC(TX)" <johnctxjetsspam@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4e492457$1@news.x-privat.org...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> A TCU fan down here told me this guy was good. He also said the Pats
> guard was a bugger steal.
>
> That they paid no attemtion to Brad Smith & let Cotchery go gives me hope.
>

speaking as a Pats fan I'm glad your team ditched Cotchery go too.
he might not be one of the greats but he made those cluth receptions at big
times.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 7:21 am
From: Johnny Morongo


On 8/15/2011 6:51 AM, JohnC(TX) wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> A TCU fan down here told me this guy was good. He also said the Pats guard
> was a bugger steal.
>
> That they paid no attemtion to Brad Smith& let Cotchery go gives me hope.
>
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_jeremy_kerley_creating_bu.html
>
> Jets rookie Jeremy Kerley off to quick start
> Published: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 4:30 AM Updated: Sunday, August 14,
> 2011, 5:47 PM
> By Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger
> Ed Murray/The Star-Ledger
> Wide receiver Jeremy Kerley, a fifth-round pick by the Jets out of TCU, has
> caught on fast and is making a major impression early on in training camp.
>
> Mike Westhoff's pre-draft scouting report called Jeremy Kerley "patient,"
> "solid" and "tough."
>
> The Jets' renowned special-teams coordinator graded the TCU receiver and
> return specialist highly, making the note, "He is a guy that could do a
> number of things." But Westhoff, noticing the wide-open holes Kerley
> scampered through on an undefeated Rose Bowl team, also scribbled down a
> question: "How good will he be on his own?"
>
> So when Westhoff met Kerley, after the NFL lockout ended, he sat him down in
> his office at Jets headquarters and interrogated him.
>
> "Is your picture ever going to be up there?" Westhoff demanded, pointing at
> enlarged prints of his most dangerous special-teams aces in 10 seasons with
> the Jets. "We've had seven return guys here that finished in the top one,
> two or three in the NFL."
>
> "I can be No. 8," the rookie coolly responded.
>
> That is how a 22-year-old wins over one of the toughest coordinators in
> football. And it didn't stop with Westhoff: In two weeks of training camp,
> without the benefit of offseason practices, Kerley's new head coach decided
> he has "a chance to be something special," the franchise quarterback deemed
> him a "baller" and the offensive coordinator proudly claimed credit for
> making him a Jet.
>
> What is it about Kerley? Those who watched him grow up in tiny Hutto, Texas,
> where he was the first resident ever drafted in the NFL, simply say he has
> the elusive "it" factor. In Florham Park, the fifth-round pick has earned
> respect - and some reps with the first-team offense - because of his
> quickness, eagerness to learn and endearing self-confidence.
>
> In Monday night's preseason opener at Houston, Kerley is expected to be the
> starting kick and punt returner. He also should have plenty of chances to
> show the team what he can do on offense, with the starters playing one
> quarter and receiver Plaxico Burress staying home with a sprained ankle.
>
> "I'm glad they see a lot of potential in me, but I want them to have a
> confidence in me during game time," Kerley said. "Your play is everything."
>
> The Jets traded up eight spots in April's draft to nab Kerley, worried they
> were running out of options and might miss out on the versatile player,
> whose skill set could help dull the loss of free agent Brad Smith.
>
> It was Brian Schottenheimer, the Jets' offensive coordinator, who flew to
> Fort Worth for a private workout that ended up being less about TCU
> quarterback Andy Dalton and more about Kerley. The player ran routes as well
> as he ever had, and sensed a genuine chemistry in the film room with
> Schottenheimer while discussing coverages and route breaks.
>
> The feeling was mutual. Schottenheimer saw the "right look in his eye," and
> left campus convinced of what seems to be a unanimous sentiment when it
> comes to Kerley: There's something special about this kid.
>
> . . .When the lockout ended, Schottenheimer phoned Kerley, asking him to report
> to New Jersey as soon as he could book a flight. Kerley, who was in Fort
> Worth with his sister and his fiancée, had a rare bout of nerves.
>
> "Kerley is the jokester of them all, but his whole demeanor changed," said
> Kristal Juarez, his fiancée and an All-American sprinter at TCU. "He was
> nervous about the playbook, learning a whole different playbook than
> college. He said, 'I don't want to disappoint anybody.'?"
> More coverage:
>
> . Complete Jets coverage on NJ.com
>
> . Jets videos
>
> . Jets photos
>
> He hasn't so far. And it didn't take long for Kerley to ditch that
> nervousness for the "swag" Juarez has known since she met her future husband
> in the TCU cafeteria the first day of their freshman year. During a recent
> interview, Kerley nonchalantly mentioned that he would like to play pro
> baseball after his NFL career ends, even if he's 40 years old.
>
> Kerley has always held a firm belief that he will succeed, but his high
> school coaches never recall him being arrogant or boastful - just
> self-assured in the way elite athletes need to be. During his freshman year
> at TCU, Kerley asked his former football coach, Lee Penland, if Hutto High
> School would retire his number if he made it to the NFL.
>
> That number was 1, which Penland hadn't allowed any of his players to wear
> in the past. For Kerley, they changed the rules. He was a four-year starting
> quarterback, given the reins of Hutto's option offense as a freshman who had
> never before played the position.
>
> Kerley was also a defensive back, a returner, a punter, a kicker - and an
> idol for the coaches' kids, who called him before each game and invited him
> to their birthday parties. He possessed smarts like a coach's son and a
> competitive fire unlike any Penland has seen in 28 years of coaching
> football in Texas. When the coach tried to take him off a kickoff coverage
> unit, Kerley begged him not to until he changed his mind.
>
> He was unselfish, too, once overheard apologizing to his fullback after
> Kerley ran in a touchdown, explaining he made the wrong read and the score
> should have been his teammate's. In the state championship game his junior
> year, Kerley was double-teamed and had no problem handing off to that same
> fullback, who racked up 226 rushing yards and three touchdowns.
>
> Baseball was actually his first love, with a fastball that cracked 90 mph,
> Hutto baseball coach Peter Schmidt recalls. Kerley was a four-year letterman
> in four sports, football bleeding into basketball season, and juggling
> baseball and track and field in the spring.
>
> When he was a junior, he won a silver medal at the state track and field
> meet at the University of Texas, hopped in a car, and raced off to Waco for
> a state playoff baseball game. In extra innings, Kerley made the double play
> from right field that recorded the final out.
>
> There is no shortage of such moments on the football field: The scrawny
> freshman planting his foot along the sideline and running over an all-state
> linebacker; the wily option quarterback keeping the ball on an outside veer
> play and racing for a 65-yard touchdown against the best team in the state.
>
> "He'd make his read. If it was a give, he'd give it," said Mickey Bushong,
> his high school quarterbacks coach. "If it was a pull, he'd pull it, and
> shame on you. Because when he pulled it, he was pretty much lightning in a
> bottle."
>
> . . .
> William Perlman/The Star-Ledger
> Jeremy Kerley was TCU's leading receiver as a senior, with 56 catches for
> 575 yards and 10 touchdowns.
>
> In the town where his parents were high school sweethearts, and one road is
> named "Kerley Drive," his athletic success is town legend. He also became a
> bit of a cult hero at TCU, where the student section made a habit of
> chanting "Jer-emy Ker-ley" when he went back for punt returns.
>
> Kerley was twice named his conference's Special Teams Player of the Year and
> was the Horned Frogs' leading receiver as a senior, with 56 catches for 575
> yards and 10 touchdowns. Last year, he was one of three finalists for the
> inaugural Paul Hornung Award, given to college football's most versatile
> player.
>
> He gained a new perspective on the game as a sophomore, when he and Juarez
> welcomed their son, Dae'Shone. The young couple lived together in an
> off-campus apartment, grateful for the support of their parents and
> grandparents as they juggled parenthood, exams and Division 1 athletics.
>
> Four weeks after giving birth, Juarez resumed training and would later set a
> school record in the 400 meters. Both she and their son inspire Kerley.
>
> "My priorities were a little mixed up," Kerley said. "He definitely set
> something in my mind, that it's time to pick a different route and think
> about something other than yourself. I didn't realize the most important
> things in my life."
>
> . . .
>
> While Kerley and Juarez settled in Morris County this month, his parents
> watched Dae'Shone, who will turn 3 in November. They'll pick up their
> rambunctious "live wire" tomorrow night in Houston and bring him home to New
> Jersey, the start of a new period in all their lives.
>
> Kerley, 5-9 and 188 pounds, is intent on being for the Jets what he has
> always been in sports: a difference-maker. He ran sprints with Juarez this
> summer to work on his speed. Despite not having yet signed an NFL contract,
> he joined Mark Sanchez's Jets West camp in California in May, ignoring the
> injury risk so he could be as prepared as possible.
>
> Fifteenth-year receiver Derrick Mason - to whom Kerley surrendered No. 85,
> out of respect - sees him as a player who can be used inside, outside and in
> the backfield, an explosive threat who has been soaking up veteran
> knowledge.
>
> Coach Rex Ryan suggested Kerley as a candidate to run the Wildcat offense.
>
> And the rookie still has that promise to Westhoff. Kerley grins, ready to
> make good on growing expectations.
>
> "The type of game that I play, I know a lot will be asked of me," he said.
> "I don't take it upon my shoulders to apply any unneeded pressure. The game
> of football is supposed to be fun."
>
> For more Jets coverage, follow Jenny Vrentas on Twitter at
> twitter.com/Jennyvrentas
>
> Jenny Vrentas: jvrentas@starledger.com
>
> © 2011 NJ.com. All rights reserved.
>
>

Nice work, Baldy. I'm so looking forward to seeing this kid play
tonight. It's probably been said before but I think that Mason will
replace Burress (an injury waiting to happen) as the #2 receiver, and JK
will move into permanent possession of the slot.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 7:25 am
From: JetsLife


On Aug 15, 9:51 am, "JohnC\(TX\)" <johnctxjetss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> A TCU fan down here told me this guy was good.  He also said the Pats guard
> was a bugger steal.
>
> That they paid no attemtion to Brad Smith & let Cotchery go gives me hope.
>
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/08/jets_jeremy_kerley_creating_...
>
> Jets rookie Jeremy Kerley off to quick start
> Published: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 4:30 AM     Updated: Sunday, August 14,
> 2011, 5:47 PM
>   By  Jenny Vrentas/The Star-Ledger
> Ed Murray/The Star-Ledger
> Wide receiver Jeremy Kerley, a fifth-round pick by the Jets out of TCU, has
> caught on fast and is making a major impression early on in training camp.
>
> Mike Westhoff's pre-draft scouting report called Jeremy Kerley "patient,"
> "solid" and "tough."
>
> The Jets' renowned special-teams coordinator graded the TCU receiver and
> return specialist highly, making the note, "He is a guy that could do a
> number of things." But Westhoff, noticing the wide-open holes Kerley
> scampered through on an undefeated Rose Bowl team, also scribbled down a
> question: "How good will he be on his own?"
>
> So when Westhoff met Kerley, after the NFL lockout ended, he sat him down in
> his office at Jets headquarters and interrogated him.
>
> "Is your picture ever going to be up there?" Westhoff demanded, pointing at
> enlarged prints of his most dangerous special-teams aces in 10 seasons with
> the Jets. "We've had seven return guys here that finished in the top one,
> two or three in the NFL."
>
> "I can be No. 8," the rookie coolly responded.
>
> That is how a 22-year-old wins over one of the toughest coordinators in
> football. And it didn't stop with Westhoff: In two weeks of training camp,
> without the benefit of offseason practices, Kerley's new head coach decided
> he has "a chance to be something special," the franchise quarterback deemed
> him a "baller" and the offensive coordinator proudly claimed credit for
> making him a Jet.
>
> What is it about Kerley? Those who watched him grow up in tiny Hutto, Texas,
> where he was the first resident ever drafted in the NFL, simply say he has
> the elusive "it" factor. In Florham Park, the fifth-round pick has earned
> respect - and some reps with the first-team offense - because of his
> quickness, eagerness to learn and endearing self-confidence.
>
> In Monday night's preseason opener at Houston, Kerley is expected to be the
> starting kick and punt returner. He also should have plenty of chances to
> show the team what he can do on offense, with the starters playing one
> quarter and receiver Plaxico Burress staying home with a sprained ankle.
>
> "I'm glad they see a lot of potential in me, but I want them to have a
> confidence in me during game time," Kerley said. "Your play is everything."
>
> The Jets traded up eight spots in April's draft to nab Kerley, worried they
> were running out of options and might miss out on the versatile player,
> whose skill set could help dull the loss of free agent Brad Smith.
>
> It was Brian Schottenheimer, the Jets' offensive coordinator, who flew to
> Fort Worth for a private workout that ended up being less about TCU
> quarterback Andy Dalton and more about Kerley. The player ran routes as well
> as he ever had, and sensed a genuine chemistry in the film room with
> Schottenheimer while discussing coverages and route breaks.
>
> The feeling was mutual. Schottenheimer saw the "right look in his eye," and
> left campus convinced of what seems to be a unanimous sentiment when it
> comes to Kerley: There's something special about this kid.
>
> . . .When the lockout ended, Schottenheimer phoned Kerley, asking him to report
> to New Jersey as soon as he could book a flight. Kerley, who was in Fort
> Worth with his sister and his fiancée, had a rare bout of nerves.
>
> "Kerley is the jokester of them all, but his whole demeanor changed," said
> Kristal Juarez, his fiancée and an All-American sprinter at TCU. "He was
> nervous about the playbook, learning a whole different playbook than
> college. He said, 'I don't want to disappoint anybody.'?"
> More coverage:
>
> . Complete Jets coverage on NJ.com
>
> . Jets videos
>
> . Jets photos
>
> He hasn't so far. And it didn't take long for Kerley to ditch that
> nervousness for the "swag" Juarez has known since she met her future husband
> in the TCU cafeteria the first day of their freshman year. During a recent
> interview, Kerley nonchalantly mentioned that he would like to play pro
> baseball after his NFL career ends, even if he's 40 years old.
>
> Kerley has always held a firm belief that he will succeed, but his high
> school coaches never recall him being arrogant or boastful - just
> self-assured in the way elite athletes need to be. During his freshman year
> at TCU, Kerley asked his former football coach, Lee Penland, if Hutto High
> School would retire his number if he made it to the NFL.
>
> That number was 1, which Penland hadn't allowed any of his players to wear
> in the past. For Kerley, they changed the rules. He was a four-year starting
> quarterback, given the reins of Hutto's option offense as a freshman who had
> never before played the position.
>
> Kerley was also a defensive back, a returner, a punter, a kicker - and an
> idol for the coaches' kids, who called him before each game and invited him
> to their birthday parties. He possessed smarts like a coach's son and a
> competitive fire unlike any Penland has seen in 28 years of coaching
> football in Texas. When the coach tried to take him off a kickoff coverage
> unit, Kerley begged him not to until he changed his mind.
>
> He was unselfish, too, once overheard apologizing to his fullback after
> Kerley ran in a touchdown, explaining he made the wrong read and the score
> should have been his teammate's. In the state championship game his junior
> year, Kerley was double-teamed and had no problem handing off to that same
> fullback, who racked up 226 rushing yards and three touchdowns.
>
> Baseball was actually his first love, with a fastball that cracked 90 mph,
> Hutto baseball coach Peter Schmidt recalls. Kerley was a four-year letterman
> in four sports, football bleeding into basketball season, and juggling
> baseball and track and field in the spring.
>
> When he was a junior, he won a silver medal at the state track and field
> meet at the University of Texas, hopped in a car, and raced off to Waco for
> a state playoff baseball game. In extra innings, Kerley made the double play
> from right field that recorded the final out.
>
> There is no shortage of such moments on the football field: The scrawny
> freshman planting his foot along the sideline and running over an all-state
> linebacker; the wily option quarterback keeping the ball on an outside veer
> play and racing for a 65-yard touchdown against the best team in the state.
>
> "He'd make his read. If it was a give, he'd give it," said Mickey Bushong,
> his high school quarterbacks coach. "If it was a pull, he'd pull it, and
> shame on you. Because when he pulled it, he was pretty much lightning in a
> bottle."
>
> . . .
> William Perlman/The Star-Ledger
> Jeremy Kerley was TCU's leading receiver as a senior, with 56 catches for
> 575 yards and 10 touchdowns.
>
> In the town where his parents were high school sweethearts, and one road is
> named "Kerley Drive," his athletic success is town legend. He also became a
> bit of a cult hero at TCU, where the student section made a habit of
> chanting "Jer-emy Ker-ley" when he went back for punt returns.
>
> Kerley was twice named his conference's Special Teams Player of the Year and
> was the Horned Frogs' leading receiver as a senior, with 56 catches for 575
> yards and 10 touchdowns. Last year, he was one of three finalists for the
> inaugural Paul Hornung Award, given to college football's most versatile
> player.
>
> He gained a new perspective on the game as a sophomore, when he and Juarez
> welcomed their son, Dae'Shone. The young couple lived together in an
> off-campus apartment, grateful for the support of their parents and
> grandparents as they juggled parenthood, exams and Division 1 athletics.
>
> Four weeks after giving birth, Juarez resumed training and would later set a
> school record in the 400 meters. Both she and their son inspire Kerley.
>
> "My priorities were a little mixed up," Kerley said. "He definitely set
> something in my mind, that it's time to pick a different route and think
> about something other than yourself. I didn't realize the most important
> things in my life."
>
> . . .
>
> While Kerley and Juarez settled in Morris County this month, his parents
> watched Dae'Shone, who will turn 3 in November. They'll pick up their
> rambunctious "live wire" tomorrow night in Houston and bring him home to New
> Jersey, the start of a new period in all their lives.
>
> Kerley, 5-9 and 188 pounds, is intent on being for the Jets what he has
> always been in sports: a difference-maker. He ran sprints with Juarez this
> summer to work on his speed. Despite not having yet signed an NFL contract,
> he joined Mark Sanchez's Jets West camp in California in May, ignoring the
> injury risk so he could be as prepared as possible.
>
> Fifteenth-year receiver Derrick Mason - to whom Kerley surrendered No. 85,
> out of respect - sees him as a player who can be used inside, outside and in
> the backfield, an explosive threat who has been soaking up veteran
> knowledge.
>
> Coach Rex Ryan suggested Kerley as a candidate to run the Wildcat offense.
>
> And the rookie still has that promise to Westhoff. Kerley grins, ready to
> make good on growing expectations.
>
> "The type of game that I play, I know a lot will be asked of me," he said.
> "I don't take it upon my shoulders to apply any unneeded pressure. The game
> of football is supposed to be fun."
>
> For more Jets coverage, follow Jenny Vrentas on Twitter at
> twitter.com/Jennyvrentas
>
> Jenny Vrentas: jvren...@starledger.com
>
> © 2011 NJ.com. All rights reserved.

I think it's okay to give this current Jets regime the benefit of the
doubt. At the top, Woody & Tanny have been at this thing for some time
now. While they haven't delivered a Super Bowl, they've done just
about everything else. The Jets have been among a second tier of top
teams the past 11 years, obviously knocking on the door the past two
years.

And then there's Rex. We all know his family pedigree, he's a football
lifer, and was a highly successful coordinator before becoming the
Jets head coach. A lot of things he said would happen have happened:
top defense and rushing attack, be a Super Bowl contender, etc. May
another of his pronouncements come true this season: that Sanchez will
some day be viewed as the strength of the team.

In WoodTannRyan I Trust.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 11:03 am
From: eric


On Aug 15, 9:51 am, "JohnC\(TX\)" <johnctxjetss...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> A TCU fan down here told me this guy was good.  He also said the Pats guard
> was a bugger steal.

Marcus Cannon is a monster. Slipped from the first round because he
has non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. He will be getting treatment this year, and
probably be on IR or the PUP most of this year. Typical Patriots
steal.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 12:08 pm
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> Nice work, Baldy.  I'm so looking forward to seeing this kid play
> tonight.  It's probably been said before but I think that Mason will
> replace Burress (an injury waiting to happen) as the #2 receiver, and JK
> will move into permanent possession of the slot.

Listen if you want to go to the game let me know I have one seat in
the front row. We can go for a jog & try to shoot a coyote like my
governor. Maybe that will darg that other commie into the discussion.

Good to see some life in here.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 12:21 pm
From: MZ


On Aug 15, 2:03 pm, eric <warth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 15, 9:51 am, "JohnC\(TX\)" <johnctxjetss...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > A TCU fan down here told me this guy was good.  He also said the Pats guard
> > was a bugger steal.
>
> Marcus Cannon is a monster. Slipped from the first round because he
> has non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. He will be getting treatment this year, and
> probably be on IR or the PUP most of this year. Typical Patriots
> steal.

The hope is that he becomes Stephen Neal's replacement at RG, and then
I could see them using Connolly at C if Koppen gets a big offer
somewhere. Very interesting prospect, but people said the same sorts
of things about Brandon Tate. And who was that RB they grabbed in the
4th round a few years ago who entered with an ACL?

The Solder pick still has me scratching my head, especially since they
brought Light back. You don't spend a 1st round pick on a guy you
project to be a backup, and you don't spend $12M on Light if you
project him to back up Solder. Vollmer is obviously a mainstay at RT,
so what gives? Is Belichick going to invent the 3 OT line?

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TOPIC: Schotty: Out of Excuses
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/59cbaa1c56770e88?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 8:18 am
From: Michael


On Aug 14, 1:51 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> As OC he's had to deal with some legitimate issues through the years,
> namely at QB.
>
> Assuming what Ryan, Tom Moore, Damien Woody and others have said about
> Sanchez recently/through the years - i.e. he's the real deal he just
> needs time to acclimate to the pros - Schotty's offense has no excuses
> this season.
>
> The Jets should be a solid top 10-type offense in scoring, especially
> considering it was a respectable 13th last year. If not, Schotty
> should get axed.
>
> Of course many here including myself have desired that at one point or
> all along; I'm in the former category. I used to detest Schotty with a
> passion and wanted him gone. But in recent seasons I've stepped back
> from that extremist position. Still don't love him and certainly
> wouldn't mind seeing him gone regardless. But since last year the
> offense was respectable and we're stuck with Schotty: I'll give him
> the benefit of the doubt coming into this season.
>
> But once the season begins, no excuses.

he's out of excuses but with any luck, he'll also be out of town next
season. i'd say he'll look good this year with tom moore holding his
hand. the improved jets offense will help to make schotty attractive
to another team. rex will praise schotty all season long and all the
way out the door.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 9:01 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:f38f4a12-808d-4ca0-8778-04df3b497bd8@cf8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 14, 1:51 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> As OC he's had to deal with some legitimate issues through the years,
> namely at QB.
>
> Assuming what Ryan, Tom Moore, Damien Woody and others have said about
> Sanchez recently/through the years - i.e. he's the real deal he just
> needs time to acclimate to the pros - Schotty's offense has no excuses
> this season.
>
> The Jets should be a solid top 10-type offense in scoring, especially
> considering it was a respectable 13th last year. If not, Schotty
> should get axed.
>
> Of course many here including myself have desired that at one point or
> all along; I'm in the former category. I used to detest Schotty with a
> passion and wanted him gone. But in recent seasons I've stepped back
> from that extremist position. Still don't love him and certainly
> wouldn't mind seeing him gone regardless. But since last year the
> offense was respectable and we're stuck with Schotty: I'll give him
> the benefit of the doubt coming into this season.
>
> But once the season begins, no excuses.

he's out of excuses but with any luck, he'll also be out of town next
season. i'd say he'll look good this year with tom moore holding his
hand. the improved jets offense will help to make schotty attractive
to another team. rex will praise schotty all season long and all the
way out the door.

I don't think other eyes are that stupid. I think a lot of folks know what
he is really all about, and that's why some praise him. They like him right
where he is, because with some of the other coaching and the talent involved
the Jets would be a much more formidable opponent without him there. They
may says some nice things about him but he is not getting a new job offer
any time soon. What he does have going for him is his name and his
connections which may keep him in the recycle game in the NFL.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 9:59 am
From: Michael


On Aug 15, 12:01 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:f38f4a12-808d-4ca0-8778-04df3b497bd8@cf8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 14, 1:51 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > As OC he's had to deal with some legitimate issues through the years,
> > namely at QB.
>
> > Assuming what Ryan, Tom Moore, Damien Woody and others have said about
> > Sanchez recently/through the years - i.e. he's the real deal he just
> > needs time to acclimate to the pros - Schotty's offense has no excuses
> > this season.
>
> > The Jets should be a solid top 10-type offense in scoring, especially
> > considering it was a respectable 13th last year. If not, Schotty
> > should get axed.
>
> > Of course many here including myself have desired that at one point or
> > all along; I'm in the former category. I used to detest Schotty with a
> > passion and wanted him gone. But in recent seasons I've stepped back
> > from that extremist position. Still don't love him and certainly
> > wouldn't mind seeing him gone regardless. But since last year the
> > offense was respectable and we're stuck with Schotty: I'll give him
> > the benefit of the doubt coming into this season.
>
> > But once the season begins, no excuses.
>
> he's out of excuses but with any luck, he'll also be out of town next
> season. i'd say he'll look good this year with tom moore holding his
> hand. the improved jets offense will help to make schotty attractive
> to another team.  rex will praise schotty all season long and all the
> way out the door.
>
> I don't think other eyes are that stupid.  I think a lot of folks know what
> he is really all about, and that's why some praise him.  They like him right
> where he is, because with some of the other coaching and the talent involved
> the Jets would be a much more formidable opponent without him there.  They
> may says some nice things about him but he is not getting a new job offer
> any time soon.  What he does have going for him is his name and his
> connections which may keep him in the recycle game in the NFL.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

there has to be at least one owner out there that will buy a lemmon if
it is packaged correctly. woody j. cant be the only guy that is
impressed with his name and his act.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Watching for Tom Moore...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a8559b60407d2f5f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 8:08 am
From: Michael


Hard to know just how much Tom Moore will be involved in the Jets
offense, but I'll be looking for his influence in two places. The
first place I'll be looking should be apparent even in the preseason.
The second thing I'll be looking for probably wont materialize until
the regular season starts as they wont be showing their hand. First
off, I'll be looking for some sanity in the running game. After
Faneca left the team, the Jets still had the same right handed running
play book. Many of the running plays called for LG Slauson to make it
to a blocking assignment over on the right side of the line. He was
often late to make his assignment. If there is now five cents worth
of brains involved in the Jets offense, we should see less of that and
more of the Jets running power up between Slauson and Mangold and
Slauson and Brick. Slauson is a mauler and not twinkle toes. I'd
like to see the Jets running play book match the manpower. I'd gather
we wont see much running outside the tackles as neithe Brick or Hunter
are great run blockers. The Jets passing game should be designed to
back off the defense and leave the gut volnurable for the smash mouth
running attack that Slauson, Mangold and Moore are best suited to.
The second thing I'll be looking for, and we probably wont get a good
dose if it will be the continuity of the offense. Do they
intelligently build drives or is it still a shoe box offense ??? If we
see the Jets start running up the gut more on the left side of the
line along with offensive continuity, I'll be very pleased as it can
only mean there is some real brain power at work.

Two "honorable" mention things to look for once the season get started
is how they use Keller. If he starts looking like Dallas Clark, we
know who's at work.

Then there is Sanchez... A Tom Moore offense is all about timing and
execution. Not so much sophistication. This should be good for
Sanchez... Less thinking about what to do and more execution of a set
play. He's been a good "school yard" qb, but focusing on perfect
execution of a set play may be exactly the lesson he needs to take a
step up.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 9:18 am
From: JetsLife


On Aug 15, 11:08 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hard to know just how much Tom Moore will be involved in the Jets
> offense, but I'll be looking for his influence in two places.  The
> first place I'll be looking should be apparent even in the preseason.

You think much of anything can be apparent in preseason?

I'm always skeptical about how much I can gather from preseason. One
thing I look for most, are rookies and young players trying to prove
themselves. Preseason phenoms usually don't translate in to career
success, but seeing youngsters flash can be an indicator they have a
chance.

> The second thing I'll be looking for probably wont materialize until
> the regular season starts as they wont be showing their hand.  First
> off, I'll be looking for some sanity in the running game.  After
> Faneca left the team, the Jets still had the same right handed running
> play book.  Many of the running plays called for LG Slauson to make it
> to a blocking assignment over on the right side of the line.  He was
> often late to make his assignment.  If there is now five cents worth
> of brains involved in the Jets offense, we should see less of that and
> more of the Jets running power up between Slauson and Mangold and
> Slauson and Brick.  Slauson is a mauler and not twinkle toes.  I'd
> like to see the Jets running play book match the manpower.  I'd gather
> we wont see much running outside the tackles as neithe Brick or Hunter
> are great run blockers.  The Jets passing game should be designed to
> back off the defense and leave the gut volnurable for the smash mouth
> running attack that Slauson, Mangold and Moore are best suited to.
> The second thing I'll be looking for, and we probably wont get a good
> dose if it will be the continuity of the offense.  Do they
> intelligently build drives or is it still a shoe box offense ??? If we
> see the Jets start running up the gut more on the left side of the
> line along with offensive continuity, I'll be very pleased as it can
> only mean there is some real brain power at work.
>
> Two "honorable" mention things to look for once the season get started
> is how they use Keller.  If he starts looking like Dallas Clark, we
> know who's at work.
>
> Then there is Sanchez... A Tom Moore offense is all about timing and
> execution.  Not so much sophistication. This should be good for
> Sanchez... Less thinking about what to do and more execution of a set
> play.  He's been a good "school yard" qb, but focusing on perfect
> execution of a set play may be exactly the lesson he needs to take a
> step up.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 9:26 am
From: Michael


On Aug 15, 12:18 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 15, 11:08 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Hard to know just how much Tom Moore will be involved in the Jets
> > offense, but I'll be looking for his influence in two places.  The
> > first place I'll be looking should be apparent even in the preseason.
>
> You think much of anything can be apparent in preseason?
>
> I'm always skeptical about how much I can gather from preseason. One
> thing I look for most, are rookies and young players trying to prove
> themselves. Preseason phenoms usually don't translate in to career
> success, but seeing youngsters flash can be an indicator they have a
> chance.
>
>
>
> > The second thing I'll be looking for probably wont materialize until
> > the regular season starts as they wont be showing their hand.  First
> > off, I'll be looking for some sanity in the running game.  After
> > Faneca left the team, the Jets still had the same right handed running
> > play book.  Many of the running plays called for LG Slauson to make it
> > to a blocking assignment over on the right side of the line.  He was
> > often late to make his assignment.  If there is now five cents worth
> > of brains involved in the Jets offense, we should see less of that and
> > more of the Jets running power up between Slauson and Mangold and
> > Slauson and Brick.  Slauson is a mauler and not twinkle toes.  I'd
> > like to see the Jets running play book match the manpower.  I'd gather
> > we wont see much running outside the tackles as neithe Brick or Hunter
> > are great run blockers.  The Jets passing game should be designed to
> > back off the defense and leave the gut volnurable for the smash mouth
> > running attack that Slauson, Mangold and Moore are best suited to.
> > The second thing I'll be looking for, and we probably wont get a good
> > dose if it will be the continuity of the offense.  Do they
> > intelligently build drives or is it still a shoe box offense ??? If we
> > see the Jets start running up the gut more on the left side of the
> > line along with offensive continuity, I'll be very pleased as it can
> > only mean there is some real brain power at work.
>
> > Two "honorable" mention things to look for once the season get started
> > is how they use Keller.  If he starts looking like Dallas Clark, we
> > know who's at work.
>
> > Then there is Sanchez... A Tom Moore offense is all about timing and
> > execution.  Not so much sophistication. This should be good for
> > Sanchez... Less thinking about what to do and more execution of a set
> > play.  He's been a good "school yard" qb, but focusing on perfect
> > execution of a set play may be exactly the lesson he needs to take a
> > step up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

We wont see the full play book at work, but we'll see them test the
execution of basics. If they plan to run power-up in the left *a* and
*b* gaps during the regular season, no doubt they will try it in the
pre-season. I'm gonna be watching closely for such plays. Also watch
for some quick shallow timing patters from Sanchez to Keller. As far
as offensive continuity and drive building... We'll have to wait until
the Dallas game to see if there is any improvment.

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TOPIC: ESPN's Power Rankings
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 8:41 am
From: JetsLife


Laughable. Green Bay No. 1 - obvious good choice.

But then the Pats, Eagles, Saints, in that order, ahead of the
Steelers? Hilarious.

Pittsburgh goes to its 3rd Super Bowl last year in the past what 5
years, yet ESPN ranks them below three teams that lost in the first
round of the playoffs last year. Lol


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 9:10 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c6b4155f-9e50-41f2-8bec-bbb4283e424e@a31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
> Laughable. Green Bay No. 1 - obvious good choice.
>
> But then the Pats, Eagles, Saints, in that order, ahead of the
> Steelers? Hilarious.
>
> Pittsburgh goes to its 3rd Super Bowl last year in the past what 5
> years, yet ESPN ranks them below three teams that lost in the first
> round of the playoffs last year. Lol

I don't get your point. That was then, this is now. Change in players,
P'burgh got tons of breaks to make it to where they were, including playing
the Jets lack luster first half effort. With the changes made by
Philadelphia I would put them very high in any rankings, maybe the Pats too.
Historically, there is a big drop off for any team that loses the Super
Bowl...so that ranking makes a lot of sense to me.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 10:03 am
From: Michael


On Aug 15, 11:41 am, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> Laughable. Green Bay No. 1 - obvious good choice.
>
> But then the Pats, Eagles, Saints, in that order, ahead of the
> Steelers? Hilarious.
>
> Pittsburgh goes to its 3rd Super Bowl last year in the past what 5
> years, yet ESPN ranks them below three teams that lost in the first
> round of the playoffs last year. Lol

i guess the espn rankings make some sense... the pats, IMHO will win
the div and go out early in the playoffs... so... i rank them on the
fast track to post season elimination...

the fun thing for me to guess is what team will be the big surprise...

the lions and cards are both being talkd about as the sleeper teams,
so i gusss i cant really pick them as a surprise team...

my surprise team pick this year is the browns... :-)


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 12:27 pm
From: MZ


On Aug 15, 1:03 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Aug 15, 11:41 am, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Laughable. Green Bay No. 1 - obvious good choice.
>
> > But then the Pats, Eagles, Saints, in that order, ahead of the
> > Steelers? Hilarious.
>
> > Pittsburgh goes to its 3rd Super Bowl last year in the past what 5
> > years, yet ESPN ranks them below three teams that lost in the first
> > round of the playoffs last year. Lol
>
> i guess the espn rankings make some sense... the pats, IMHO will win
> the div and go out early in the playoffs... so... i rank them on the
> fast track to post season elimination...
>
> the fun thing for me to guess is what team will be the big surprise...
>
> the lions and cards are both being talkd about as the sleeper teams,
> so i gusss i cant really pick them as a surprise team...
>
> my surprise team pick this year is the browns... :-)

Rams for sleeper maybe? Could be Houston's year finally.

Gotta like the Eagles, although I don't know that we can expect a
repeat from the QB position. I like the Steelers and Pats more, I
think. Ravens always look good this time of year too.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 9:42 am
From: Michael


On Aug 14, 4:03 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6c28b5ca-5faa-4bed-a637-bb0d314e04c3@w24g2000yqw.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 12, 1:24 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:95db000f-8b83-44a7-9238-e5f44e116c0c@t7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 11, 6:59 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
> > > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:09af33db-1c72-44de-9cb2-164b1794f440@l2g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Aug 8, 9:39 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The Squeerlers are complaing the refs are against them.
> > > > I think we can all agree that the Squeelers were gifted with the two
> > > > most
> > > > referee assisted wins in Super Bowls any of us ever witnessed.
> > > > what a pack of whiners, too funny.
>
> > > I dont hate a single team in the NFL... Other than the Steelers. How
> > > many teams have gotten robbed, screwed and cheated because of the
> > > NFL's pet brand name and the league bias for their owner ???
>
> > > The Seahawks got scrweed on national TV
> > > The Cardinals got screwed on national TV
>
> > > and now I'm getting sick thinking about some of the playoff games the
> > > Steelers "won" on the way to Superbowl games they should not have been
> > > in.
>
> > > I like the Jets any any team that is playing the Steelers... Or more
> > > to the point... Any team that plays the *officials* that are working
> > > Steeler's games.
>
> > > Then you also enjoyed the regular season Miami game wherein an admitted
> > > Steelers fan, who also happened to be scheduled by the NFL as the head
> > > referee for same, did eventually win the game for the steelers via his
> > > late
> > > 4th quarter heroics on their behalf. I believe that was in 2009.
> > > --
>
> > throw in the renfro catch too. that adds the oilers to the long list
> > of teams that got robbed out of a superbowl appearance. even when jet
> > division rivals dolphins, bills and pats play the steelers, i hope
> > they beat the squeelers senseless
> > -------
>
> > If you haven't watched it yet on the NFL channel, keep a watch for the
> > repeat of "Top Ten Controversial Plays". Not surprisingly the Steelers are
> > the only franchise to dominate that list.
>
> > Anyway, the usual two top AFCN teams are weak in depth this season with
> > suspect offensive lines and similar defensive backs. The Ravens especially
> > have an unbalance of aged Vets and mediocre free-agent band-aids on
> > defense
> > primarily that they could not unload this season. While promising players
> > for the future, the inexperienced rookies and 1st year Ravens players are
> > expected to play major roles this season and is the recipe I recall from
> > 2002 that can result in a 5-11, 6-10 or even worse regular season record.
>
> > Both the Pats and Jets appear to have solidified the majority of their own
> > deficiencies as they built to defeat each other as the Ravens did to
> > defeat
> > the Titans of 1999 & 2000. I'd be amazed if an AFCN team can beat the Jets
> > in this regular season. The Pats and Jets will duke it out divisionally to
> > see who knocks-off the hobbled Steelers (likely the better subpar team in
> > AFCN-2011).
> > --
> > ~Drew
>
> > "Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
> > Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> what do you think of flacco ??? on one hand, he is able to make a lot
> of great looking throws.  he also won a playoff game in every single
> one of his seasons thus far.  on the other hand, i get the feeling
> that while he has ownership of a single play of even a single drive,
> he does not seem to be in tune with the game if that makes any sense.
> hard to explain... i also feel the same way about cutler... great
> skills and arm, but he does not appear to have ownership of a game.
>
> I believe I understand what you mean. You question Flacco's ability to
> recognize a defense and to call-off the play sent in from the sideline once
> that defense lines up across from him because he recognizes the called play
> will run right into that defensive coverage? If this is correct, or
> partially correct, I can respond to that.
>
> --
>      ~Drew
>
>            "Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
>             Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yes... exactly...

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 9:51 am
From: JetsLife


The new WRs are a concern for me. Braylon wasn't a true burner, but he
had good speed. We are a lot slower with Burress instead of him.

At that, IINM J-Co is faster than the 37-yr old Mason? Not that J-Co
would be confused with Jesse Owens.

Bright spots regarding WR speed: Santonio has good speed (4.35 at the
combine) and Kerley has okay speed but is elusive. Maybe the Jets
start utilizing Santonio's home-run potential more this year, since
they seemingly have two good possession types in Burress & Mason.

Then there's the learning curve: to replace your 1b (Braylon) and No.
3 (J-Co) WRs so late in the offseason - there could be some hiccups
early on. At least Burress & Mason are savvy vets.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 15 2011 10:25 am
From: Michael


On Aug 15, 12:51 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> The new WRs are a concern for me. Braylon wasn't a true burner, but he
> had good speed. We are a lot slower with Burress instead of him.
>
> At that, IINM J-Co is faster than the 37-yr old Mason? Not that J-Co
> would be confused with Jesse Owens.
>
> Bright spots regarding WR speed: Santonio has good speed (4.35 at the
> combine) and Kerley has okay speed but is elusive. Maybe the Jets
> start utilizing Santonio's home-run potential more this year, since
> they seemingly have two good possession types in Burress & Mason.
>
> Then there's the learning curve: to replace your 1b (Braylon) and No.
> 3 (J-Co) WRs so late in the offseason - there could be some hiccups
> early on. At least Burress & Mason are savvy vets.

as long as the jets use keller properly, they have no big worries at
wr. even if mason winds up being their number 2 with plax injured.
also keep in mind, Tomlinson is a top notch rout runner. we have no
game time production yet from j. kurley, but if he produces as well as
he is being talked up, he could be the #3 behind mason.

with brandon moore coming off hip surgery, hunter as the new RT
starter and only turner as back-up as ducasse looked clueless last
year, the jet o-line is the big worry for me. no o-line means no
running or passing and may be a dead qb. it also counts against the
defense. offensive time of possession is one of the most under rated
stats in the game. long time of possession for the offense translates
into having a well rested defense. hence, a great defense. all of
that is up to the o-line. some have said "the best defense is a good
offense"... i have modified that...

"The best defense is a good offensive line"


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