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* USA Pro Cycling Challenge, stage 3 summary - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Levi's TT position - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Pitiful TV coverage of the USA "PRO" Cycling Challenge - 8 messages, 5
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* $50,000 for KILLING AMERICAN TERRORISTS George Bush Jr and Dick Cheney like
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TOPIC: USA Pro Cycling Challenge, stage 3 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/06c499fef164dc49?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 25 2011 11:24 pm
From: Bob Martin
Stage 3 : Aug 25, Vail (ITT), 16.1 km
1 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Team RadioShack 0.25.47
2 Christian Vande Velde (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo
3 Rafael Infantino Abreu (Col) EPM - UNE 0.04
4 Thomas Danielson (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0.33
5 Stef Clement (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0.40
6 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) HTC-Highroad 0.51
7 David Zabriskie (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0.59
8 Jens Voigt (Ger) Leopard Trek 1.01
9 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team
10 George Hincapie (USA) BMC Racing Team 1.11
Changes in GC, stage 3 compared to stage 2 :
Biggest gainers by position :
+14 Rafael Infantino Abreu
+13 Jens Voigt
+10 Rafael Montiel
+10 Peter Velits
+9 Stef Clement
+8 Hayden Roulston
+8 Grischa Niermann
+8 Danny Pate
+7 Rubens Bertogliati
+7 Laurens Ten Dam
Biggest losers by position :
-11 Edward Stiver Ortiz Caro
-10 Francois Parisien
-9 Robert Gesink
-8 Janier Alexis Acevedo Colle
-6 Bruno Langlois
-6 Carlos Alberto Ospina Hernandes
-6 Matt Cooke
-6 Oscar Sevilla Ribera
-6 Thomas Bonnin
-5 Anders Lund
-5 Eduard Alexander Beltran Suarez
Biggest gainers by time :
+0:34 Levi Leipheimer
+0:34 Christian Vande Velde
+0:30 Rafael Infantino Abreu
+0:01 Thomas Danielson
Biggest losers by time :
-5:35 Fabio Calabria
-4:59 Carlos Eduardo Alzate Escobar
-4:44 Ben Hermans
-4:43 Andrew Dahlheim
-4:28 Bruno Langlois
-4:24 Kenny Robert Van Hummel
-4:23 Carlos Alberto Ospina Hernandes
-4:14 Francois Parisien
-4:10 Thomas Bonnin
-4:07 Oscar Alvarez
-4:05 Philipp Ries
Favourites by position :
+13 Jens Voigt
+10 Peter Velits
+7 Laurens Ten Dam
+5 Andy Schleck
+3 Levi Leipheimer
+3 David Zabriskie
+1 Sylvester Szmyd
+1 Ivan Basso
-1 Ryder Hesjedal
-1 Frank Schleck
-1 Cadel Evans
-2 Tejay Van Garderen
-3 Pieter Weening
-9 Robert Gesink
Favourites by time :
+0:34 Levi Leipheimer
-0:17 Tejay Van Garderen
-0:25 David Zabriskie
-0:27 Jens Voigt
-0:27 Cadel Evans
-0:41 Rory Sutherland
-1:01 Frank Schleck
-1:06 Sylvester Szmyd
-1:12 Peter Velits
-1:35 Ryder Hesjedal
-1:37 Andy Schleck
-1:38 Ivan Basso
-1:42 Robert Gesink
-1:48 Laurens Ten Dam
-2:35 Pieter Weening
Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Levi Leipheimer 10:30:29 (was 4th at 0:34)
2 Christian Vande Velde 0:11 (was 5th at 0:45)
3 Tejay Van Garderen 0:17 (was 1st at 0:00)
4 Thomas Danielson 0:21 (was 3rd at 0:22)
5 George Hincapie 0:53 (was 2nd at 0:16)
6 Rafael Infantino Abreu 1:14 (was 20th at 1:44)
7 Cadel Evans 1:18 (was 6th at 0:51)
8 Stef Clement 1:42 (was 17th at 1:36)
9 Bruno Pires 1:49 (was 9th at 1:08)
10 Rory Sutherland 1:50 (was 10th at 1:09)
.....
13 Frank Schleck 2:17 (was 12th at 1:16)
.....
17 Robert Gesink 2:46 (was 8th at 1:04)
.....
28 Ryder Hesjedal 5:08 (was 27th at 3:33)
29 Ivan Basso 5:25 (was 30th at 3:47)
.....
35 Jens Voigt 6:17 (was 48th at 5:50)
.....
39 Andy Schleck 6:59 (was 44th at 5:22)
.....
42 Pieter Weening 7:36 (was 39th at 5:01)
.....
57 Peter Velits 10:07 (was 67th at 8:55)
.....
71 David Zabriskie 13:53 (was 74th at 13:28)
72 Sylvester Szmyd 14:22 (was 73rd at 13:16)
.....
80 Laurens Ten Dam 17:09 (was 87th at 15:21)
Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Levi Leipheimer 17 (unchanged)
2 Tejay Van Garderen 17 (unchanged)
3 George Hincapie 15 (unchanged)
4 Sergio Luis Henao Montoya 12 (unchanged)
5 Thomas Danielson 11 (unchanged)
6 Cadel Evans 11 (unchanged)
7 Frank Schleck 10 (was 8th with 10 points)
8 Janier Alexis Acevedo Colle 10 (was 7th with 10 points)
9 Elia Viviani 8 (unchanged)
10 Eduard Alexander Beltran Suarez 7 (unchanged)
Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Walter Pedraza 24 (unchanged)
2 Sander Oostlander 15 (unchanged)
3 Rafael Montiel 14 (unchanged)
4 Rafael Infantino Abreu 12 (unchanged)
5 Eduard Alexander Beltran Suarez 11 (unchanged)
6 Levi Leipheimer 10 (unchanged)
7 Alejandro Ramirez Calderon 10 (unchanged)
8 Andre Steensen 9 (unchanged)
9 Bradley White 9 (unchanged)
10 Christian Vande Velde 8 (unchanged)
Retirements to date : Stage
Giovany Manuel Baez Alvarez (Col) EPM - UNE 3 <<<
Andrew Randell (Can) Team Spidertech Powered By C10 2
Daniele Callegarin (Ita) Team Type 1 - Sanofi 2
Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz) Team RadioShack 2
Ken Hanson (USA) Jelly Belly p/b Kenda 2
Sergio Hernandez (USA) Jelly Belly p/b Kenda 2
Chris Barton (USA) BMC Racing Team 1
Total retirements : 7
(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)
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TOPIC: LA/Feds
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b3183e9e71aa0ba3?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 2:14 am
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<b688bd27-bc95-461d-95c0-109ec4026fcd@m4g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 25, 7:29 am, Jim Feeley <jfee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Troy Ellerman was a defense lawyer for the BALCO
> > > principals, and he leaked the grand jury transcripts after
> > > the BALCOns were indicted. I assume that he received
> > > the transcripts because the prosecutors were required to
> > > disclose them to the defense after the indictments
> > > were brought.
> >
> > > Prior to the indictment, I don't think a defense lawyer
> > > would have had access to the GJ testimony. Armstrong's
> > > lawyer would know what Armstrong testified to, but not
> > > the contents of others' testimony.
> >
> > > There is no literal "defense team" in this investigation yet
> > > because there is no defense, as there are no indictments.
> > > Obviously we all know that the investigation is looking at
> > > certain people, but those people's lawyers don't have a
> > > privileged status giving them access to grand jury testimony,
> > > I don't think.
> >
> > > GJ members are unlikely to have leaked the information as
> > > they would have a lot to lose and little to gain.
> >
> > > Fredmaster Ben
> > > is not a lawyer
> >
> > Doh! I'm clearly timeline challenged. You're right about the indictment thing.
> > But aren't witnesses at GJ's allowed, when faced with a tricky question from a
> > prosecutor, to step outside the room and get advice from their lawyer (who isn't
> > allowed into the room)?
> >
> > And though I've never spoken with a grand jury member (I don't usually cover
> > courts...as is obvious from my previous post), I know some reporters who have.
> > And witnesses can be chatty.
> >
> > Anyway, there are still sources of grand jury testimony other than prosecutors.
> > Though prosecutors are a likely source.
> >
> > This article in yesterday's NY Daily News was kinda interesting:
> >
> > Lance Armstrong's attorneys say government response to cyclist's leak accusation
> > shouldn't be sealed
> >
> > <http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/iteam/
> > 2011/08/24/2011-08-24_lance_fires_back_at_feds.html>
> >
> > Same link shorter:http://nydn.us/nognrd
> >
> > Of course with laywers, sometimes where there's smoke there's smoke.
>
> As I understand it, a witness is perfectly free to
> disclose their own GJ testimony.
>
> Sure, Hincapie's lawyer undoubtedly knows what Hincapie
> said, and Hamilton's lawyer knows what Hamilton said, and
> so on, but if you believe LANCE's flacks, several different
> pieces of information have been slipped to the press -
> certainly several things have been reported on - and it's
> hard for me to imagine that the witnesses or their lawyers
> have been collectively feeding all of these tidbits to the
> reporters. I could believe that one or two came from
> witnesses, but all seems like a stretch.
>
> I suspect most reporters would not contact a member of a
> sitting grand jury - only after the GJ is released. At that point,
> I think the GJ members are still under a vow of secrecy, I'm
> sure it's been broken now and then. Obviously GJs are
> not the same as trial juries, but contacting a member of a
> trial jury during the trial is a huge no-no. Both the reporter
> and the juror could wind up in prison. Perhaps the rules of
> engagement are different for grand juries, but the motivation
> is much easier to understand for the investigators to be a
> little leaky than for a GJ member.
I never had any idea a member of a petit jury
could be jailed for blabbing. All my experience
as a prospective juror and sitting juror does not
suggest that such could be the case. Last time
out the judge pleaded with us not to talk because
he would have to take a week or more out for an
evidentiary hearing; but no threats.
--
Old Fritz
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 8:59 am
From: BL
On 8/25/2011 11:29 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "BL"<bl@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:H4edncQ5oYFlVcvTnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 8/25/2011 2:47 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:
>>> On 8/25/2011 1:30 PM, BL wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As complex federal investigations go, this one seems to be
>>>> proceeding
>>>> nicely. You won't have to wait much longer to read the indictment.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't have a clue about how the "indictment" is proceeding. Not
>>> hard
>>> to imagine this mind you. How would you know ? or is this simply more
>>> of
>>> your endless flag waving on your Anti-Lance diatribe ?
>>>
>>> Give us details on your sources for this ..... Or better yet, shut
>>> the
>>> fuck up.
>>>
>>> Like pretty much everyone else here I've grown tired of your
>>> rhetoric.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>> Try re-reading what I wrote. I didn't say the indictment was
>> proceeding. I said the investigation seems to be going well. That is
>> based on the reports we've all seen in the press and with 60 Minutes.
>> Do you read the press and watch TV? And I've grow increasingly amused
>> by your moronic rhetoric. Keep it up.
>
> I'd say the 60 minutes report did a great job discrediting their *star*
> witness. The story was built upon the revelation that Tyler was amazed
> that Lance wasn't worried about a "positive" test at the TdS and, proof
> of conspiracy, evidence that Lance met with the head of the lab!!! Good
> heavens that was incriminating.
>
> Except that the head of the lab explained that the test wasn't positive
> because it didn't pass the threshold required (because the test wasn't
> yet accurate enough to trust) *AND* that he met with many teams& riders
> to explain the new procedures, nothing special with Lance& Johan.
>
> THAT 60 minutes piece???
>
> I'm not going to suggest that Lance was clean, partly because I don't
> think it was possible to race at that time against known dopers and do
> as well as he did without also doping, and partly because you can't
> prove that someone's clean, only that they're dirty. But, as I've said
> many, many times before, the anti-Lance crowd should be more demanding
> of those investigating Lance, instead of cheerleading any and all
> investigations and revelations simply because they're supportive of
> one's belief.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
Thanks, Mike. lol.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 11:27 am
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Aug 26, 2:14 am, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> I never had any idea a member of a petit jury
> could be jailed for blabbing. All my experience
> as a prospective juror and sitting juror does not
> suggest that such could be the case. Last time
> out the judge pleaded with us not to talk because
> he would have to take a week or more out for an
> evidentiary hearing; but no threats.
I'm pretty sure that when on a trial jury, I was instructed
not to discuss the case with anyone until it was over,
and that this instruction is standard.
After the case is decided you can talk about it.
It's more common for persons outside the jury to be
tried for jury tampering; for a juror to be tried they have
to do something egregious like offer to be bribed to
find the defendant innocent.
It's certainly true that if jurors seek outside information
that can result in a mistrial. Apparently, googling the
defendant or posting updates on the Intertubes
is now a serious problem, for example
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/us/18juries.html
Who the fuck thinks Twittering updates from the
jury box is a good idea?
BTW, links I found suggest that the laws (state or fed)
typically apply to grand juries as well as petit juries.
Fredmaster Ben
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 11:32 am
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<dfeae5bc-43d8-4bea-a234-c621c22e5f8d@b34g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 2:14 am, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > I never had any idea a member of a petit jury
> > could be jailed for blabbing. All my experience
> > as a prospective juror and sitting juror does not
> > suggest that such could be the case. Last time
> > out the judge pleaded with us not to talk because
> > he would have to take a week or more out for an
> > evidentiary hearing; but no threats.
>
> I'm pretty sure that when on a trial jury, I was instructed
> not to discuss the case with anyone until it was over,
> and that this instruction is standard.
Yes, I heard those instruction.
> After the case is decided you can talk about it.
>
> It's more common for persons outside the jury to be
> tried for jury tampering; for a juror to be tried they have
> to do something egregious like offer to be bribed to
> find the defendant innocent.
>
> It's certainly true that if jurors seek outside information
> that can result in a mistrial. Apparently, googling the
> defendant or posting updates on the Intertubes
> is now a serious problem, for example
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/us/18juries.html
> Who the fuck thinks Twittering updates from the
> jury box is a good idea?
>
> BTW, links I found suggest that the laws (state or fed)
> typically apply to grand juries as well as petit juries.
But nothing about sanctions against sitting jurors.
You wrote
: Both the reporter
: and the juror could wind up in prison.
--
Old Fritz
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 12:11 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Aug 26, 11:32 am, Frederick the Great <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BTW, links I found suggest that the laws (state or fed)
> > typically apply to grand juries as well as petit juries.
>
> But nothing about sanctions against sitting jurors.
>
> You wrote
>
> : Both the reporter
> : and the juror could wind up in prison.
I said "could," not "will certainly." A quick google will
turn up a number of cases where jurors have been
charged with contempt of court for communicating with
defendants or the outside world, or for doing their
own "investigation." It's rare, and it's more likely to lead
to a fine than jail, but it does happen.
http://blogs.findlaw.com/legally_weird/2011/06/jurors-facebook-friend-request-sends-her-to-jail-for-8-months.html
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-12/local/me-22679_1_juror-misconduct
http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/news/2011/01_-_january/juror_s_online_research_prompts_mistrial_and_a_criminal_probe/
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-06-15/local/29681586_1_mistrial-jury-room-buchter
I didn't find offhand any cases of jurors being cited for
contempt for talking to reporters during a trial. As before,
I think this is partly because most reporters know not to take
that risk.
Fredmaster Ben
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 5:32 pm
From: Jimmy July
On 8/25/11 3:13 PM, BL wrote:
> On 8/25/2011 2:47 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:
>> On 8/25/2011 1:30 PM, BL wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As complex federal investigations go, this one seems to be proceeding
>>> nicely. You won't have to wait much longer to read the indictment.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You don't have a clue about how the "indictment" is proceeding. Not hard
>> to imagine this mind you. How would you know ? or is this simply more of
>> your endless flag waving on your Anti-Lance diatribe ?
>>
>> Give us details on your sources for this ..... Or better yet, shut the
>> fuck up.
>>
>> Like pretty much everyone else here I've grown tired of your rhetoric.
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
> Try re-reading what I wrote. I didn't say the indictment was proceeding.
> I said the investigation seems to be going well.
Candyass.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 5:36 pm
From: Jimmy July
On 8/25/11 3:09 PM, BL wrote:
> On 8/25/2011 2:38 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
>> Trolling Laff isn't that hard. Mr OCD responds to everything.
>> He can't help himself.
>>
>> F
> ROTFL!! Like you don't?
Yeah.
You're never going to understand how ironic it is that you responded to
that.
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TOPIC: Did Liquidas screw up the finish? (Vuelta)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/24a8c2edffe5a5f6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 4:05 am
From: Victor Kan
On Aug 26, 12:44 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <...
>. But for all I know maybe that's what happened and Nibali
> simply had nothing left in the tank. The video quality wasn't good
> enough to really tell what went on (hard to pick out the players; one
> green & white jersey looked just like any other).
From what I could see in the helicopter shot of the finish I had
assumed it was Nibali in third and was quite surprised when the
commentators said Nibali finished out of the bonuses in fourth.
The more I think about it and re-watch, Agnoli screwed up a bit at the
end.
In the final K, I think the Universal Sports commentators said it was
Nibali and Sagan getting away from the other three, but it was
probably Capecchi and Nibali. But the others caught up and in the
final meters, the order was:
Capecchi
Nibali
Lastras
Agnoli
Sagan
with Capecchi fading fast and no time for the other LQ guys to help
out Nibali.
Then as four, Nibali is fading on the right (but not far enough over
to the right to pinch off Lastras) and it is:
Nibali
Agnoli
Sagan - Lastras about even
Agnoli leads out Sagan, on theleft but looks behind and sees Lastras
coming around to Nibali's right.
Sagan comes out from behind Agnoli and takes off on the left, Lastras
continues up the right. Nibali is actually still ahead of Agnoli at
this point.
Once Sagan comes around him, Agnoli should have sat up or even put on
the brakes since obviously no one was behind him. But instead, he
remains powering on out of the saddle for a few beats as if he's
trying to get a placing himself and gets half a bike length ahead of
Nibali. Then he probably realizes he's hosing the time bonus for his
leader and gets back on the saddle, but it's too late.
I guess we can chalk it up to the heat of the race and brief
inattention to the team's goals and the race situation.
So it seems that the team wanted Nibali to maybe get away with
Capecchi to get maximum bonus time, with Sagan hanging back to pick up
a sprint win if Lastras pulls it back together, which he did.
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TOPIC: Levi's TT position
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/cd62c684314988d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 6:10 am
From: RicodJour
I really enjoyed the Colorado TT. Watching Levi on his bike gave me
pause - he was sitting _way_ off to one side on the saddle. His left
cheek bone was about in the center of the saddle. At first I thought
it was just a momentary repositioning or something, but as he rode you
could see that his spin was perfect and he was apparently centered and
balanced. Just 2" to the right. Weird.
Has anyone noticed such a large centering discrepancy in a world class
TT position?
R
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 7:18 am
From: Brad Anders
On Aug 26, 6:10 am, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> I really enjoyed the Colorado TT. Watching Levi on his bike gave me
> pause - he was sitting _way_ off to one side on the saddle. His left
> cheek bone was about in the center of the saddle. At first I thought
> it was just a momentary repositioning or something, but as he rode you
> could see that his spin was perfect and he was apparently centered and
> balanced. Just 2" to the right. Weird.
>
> Has anyone noticed such a large centering discrepancy in a world class
> TT position?
>
> R
I''m guessing saddle sore.
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TOPIC: Pitiful TV coverage of the USA "PRO" Cycling Challenge
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/af553971bb2ab7bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 6:48 am
From: DirtRoadie
On Aug 25, 1:46 pm, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 25, 9:24 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I kept waiting for Phil to exclaim "I can't work under these
> > conditions!!!" and leave.
>
> > Which would serve this race organization right.
> > Not only "technical difficulties" (actually, "near-total inability")
> > to broadcast footage of the racing, but inept motorcycle drivers who
> > didn't follow the action.
>
> > If this had been the TdF, we could have seen the descent from
> > Independence Pass into Aspen. I rode that one "several" times during
> > the early 70's; I haven't seen it in recent years but I understand the
> > road is not vastly improved IRT width, guardrails, etc. Especially for
> > a large group, that's a fairly technical descent, and it was raining
> > (BTDT on that road, too, since it rains often in the afternoon-early
> > evening).
>
> > There were some gaps opened up, certainly.
>
> > Maybe we'll get to see some replay today? Since the replay during the
> > show seemed to work, maybe they should have just shown the whole stage
> > on replay?
>
> > "Ice on the wings"? Didn't they run even one test on the TV equipment
> > before the race started? Or at least fix it overnight, after Day 1 was
> > totally screwed?
>
> > What an embarrassment to my country. For shame!
>
> Much better today. Technically anyhow. I'm wondering how well they
> will be able to cover multiple riders by moto-cam when they get to the
> contenders.
Actually pretty well done although someone should tell the the camera
operators that they could back off a bit or move more to the side so
we could see an entire rider and all the nuances of his pedaling
rather than just a full frame closeup of a back and ass.
DR
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 7:22 am
From: Brad Anders
My impression from the coverage is that there are more attention-
seeking freaks on the mountain passes in US races than in Europe.
Total freak show.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 8:25 am
From: RicodJour
On Aug 26, 10:22 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My impression from the coverage is that there are more attention-
> seeking freaks on the mountain passes in US races than in Europe.
> Total freak show.
Or more TV producers pandering to the masses. Freaks sell.
R
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 10:57 am
From: --D-y
On Aug 25, 11:11 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com>
wrote:
> "--D-y" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote in message
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> >I kept waiting for Phil to exclaim "I can't work under these
> > conditions!!!" and leave.
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> > Which would serve this race organization right.
> > Not only "technical difficulties" (actually, "near-total inability")
> > to broadcast footage of the racing, but inept motorcycle drivers who
> > didn't follow the action.
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> > If this had been the TdF, we could have seen the descent from
> > Independence Pass into Aspen. I rode that one "several" times during
> > the early 70's; I haven't seen it in recent years but I understand the
> > road is not vastly improved IRT width, guardrails, etc. Especially for
> > a large group, that's a fairly technical descent, and it was raining
> > (BTDT on that road, too, since it rains often in the afternoon-early
> > evening).
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> > There were some gaps opened up, certainly.
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> > Maybe we'll get to see some replay today? Since the replay during the
> > show seemed to work, maybe they should have just shown the whole stage
> > on replay?
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> > "Ice on the wings"? Didn't they run even one test on the TV equipment
> > before the race started? Or at least fix it overnight, after Day 1 was
> > totally screwed?
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> > What an embarrassment to my country. For shame!
> > --D-y
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> Maybe, but it looks to be quite an impressive race & venue. Impressive
> crowds in many places, especially Independence Pass and the last 4k or
> so of the TT course today. I hope this race continues. The timing is
> interesting, since it's after the Giro & TdF and during the Vuelta... so
> even when you get the top guys (who aren't riding the Vuelta) they'll be
> a bit on the downside from their TdF efforts and not highly-motivated.
> On the other hand, the guys who didn't do as well as they'd have liked
> at the TdF have something to prove.
>
> It's become a more interesting race than I expected.
I saw the Zinger/Coors a couple of times including the day Johnathan/
Jaques Boy-er/Boy-A got his laps back. Funny about how getting good
racers together makes for good racing <g>.
Yes, I want this one to continue (FWIW) and that's why I'm squawking.
I noted Levi's "I was cold and shivering" yesterday. Very much a big
part of the game and one trip down toward Aspen from Independence I
got caught out when I knew better and survived a popped-open original
Dura Ace front caliper plus "shivering" with little drops of ice
appearing on my leg hairs ("why racers *really* shave") on what
started out as a hot summer day. And that, a short ride that turned
back well before the top when the storm rolled in-- which is a near-
daily occurrence at times on that hill.
I hope they get serious (the TV transmission problems did not get
fixed overnight) and make this race happen on a yearly basis. Fix the
TV uploads, first, and the second first, get some moto drivers who
know WTF is up. Seriously...
--D-y
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 11:01 am
From: --D-y
On Aug 26, 9:22 am, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My impression from the coverage is that there are more attention-
> seeking freaks on the mountain passes in US races than in Europe.
> Total freak show.
No barricades in finish line run-up, and intoxicated idiots-- altitude
doesn't help anything there!
Another place the moto riders were sorely lacking in performance.
They're probably mostly a group of volunteers. Maybe next year we'll
see a true corps at work.
--D-y
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 11:12 am
From: "William R. Mattil"
On 8/26/2011 12:57 PM, --D-y wrote:
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> I saw the Zinger/Coors a couple of times including the day Johnathan/
> Jaques Boy-er/Boy-A got his laps back. Funny about how getting good
> racers together makes for good racing<g>.
Hoo Boy - this was a while ago but my aging memory banks are telling me
it was the Estes park Crit ? I have a great picture of Jock winning
that race coming across the finish line in his "hairnet" helmet, with it
unfastened <lol> He rode for GS Mengoni that year.
Bill
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William R. Mattil
http://www.celestial-images.com
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 12:14 pm
From: --D-y
On Aug 26, 1:12 pm, "William R. Mattil" <wrmat...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> On 8/26/2011 12:57 PM, --D-y wrote:
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> > I saw the Zinger/Coors a couple of times including the day Johnathan/
> > Jaques Boy-er/Boy-A got his laps back. Funny about how getting good
> > racers together makes for good racing<g>.
>
> Hoo Boy - this was a while ago but my aging memory banks are telling me
> it was the Estes park Crit ? I have a great picture of Jock winning
> that race coming across the finish line in his "hairnet" helmet, with it
> unfastened <lol> He rode for GS Mengoni that year.
North Boulder Park, I believe. 1980. The riders in the break made
Boyer do all the work, from what I saw, while Londono and others were
roughed up in the "chase".
Michel Pollentier single-handedly blocked the "chase" pack for many
laps on that short course.
Yes, the helmet was unfastened and the race announcer threatened Boyer
with some kind of sanction-- I guess they didn't dare repeat the 5-
minute Centerline Violation biz-ness from '79?
Whatever, there is tradition both on the positive and negative sides
of the coin, so to speak. I hope they "go pro" and make this thing
work, although I think the races in Columbia might actually go higher
in altitude <g>.
--D-y
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 6:02 pm
From: RicodJour
On Aug 25, 11:24 am, --D-y <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> I kept waiting for Phil to exclaim "I can't work under these
> conditions!!!" and leave.
>
> Which would serve this race organization right.
> Not only "technical difficulties" (actually, "near-total inability")
> to broadcast footage of the racing, but inept motorcycle drivers who
> didn't follow the action.
>
> If this had been the TdF, we could have seen the descent from
> Independence Pass into Aspen. I rode that one "several" times during
> the early 70's; I haven't seen it in recent years but I understand the
> road is not vastly improved IRT width, guardrails, etc. Especially for
> a large group, that's a fairly technical descent, and it was raining
> (BTDT on that road, too, since it rains often in the afternoon-early
> evening).
>
> There were some gaps opened up, certainly.
>
> Maybe we'll get to see some replay today? Since the replay during the
> show seemed to work, maybe they should have just shown the whole stage
> on replay?
>
> "Ice on the wings"? Didn't they run even one test on the TV equipment
> before the race started? Or at least fix it overnight, after Day 1 was
> totally screwed?
>
> What an embarrassment to my country. For shame!
> --D-y
I'm watching on Radioshack's Shack Tracker and finding the picture
breakup not so annoying since the feed has no commercials. Versus
drove me nuts with the commercials and their stupid lead-in graphics.
Versus spent more money and time showing their graphics then showing
the race.
R
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TOPIC: NEW UPDATES
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TOPIC: EPM-UNE
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/69b116859c4dd897?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 11:00 am
From: RicodJour
The Colombians have some excellent riders. EPM also has amazing
consistency. Check out the team times. Even their domestiques are
strong.
How much of this is the altitude? And why don't the Colombians have a
bigger presence on the world cycling stage?
R
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TOPIC: Vuelta a Espana, stage 7 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/5676a517ce13fa15?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 12:18 pm
From: Bob Martin
Stage 7 : Aug 26, Almaden - Talavera de la Reina, 185 km
1 Marcel Kittel (Ger) Skil - Shimano 4.47.59
2 Peter Sagan (Svk) Liquigas-Cannondale
3 Oscar Freire Gomez (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team
4 Daniele Bennati (Ita) Leopard Trek
5 Lloyd Mondory (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale
6 Juan Jose Haedo (Arg) Saxo Bank Sungard
7 Tom Veelers (Ned) Skil - Shimano
8 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Lampre - ISD
9 Enrico Gasparotto (Ita) Pro Team Astana
10 Leigh Howard (Aus) HTC-Highroad
Changes in GC, stage 7 compared to stage 6 :
Biggest gainers by position :
+4 Yuriy Trofimov
+4 Robert Wagner
+4 Mauro Da Dalto
+4 Matteo Montaguti
+4 Ignatas Konovalovas
+4 Davide Vigano
+4 Daniele Righi
+4 Andreas Klier
+3 Yukihiro Doi
+3 Stuart O'Grady
Biggest losers by position :
-19 Michael Albasini
-19 Rein Taaramae
-16 Ruslan Pydgornyy
-13 Aitor Perez Arrieta
-13 Marc De Maar
-12 Andrey Mizourov
-8 Alexandre Geniez
-8 Dimitri Champion
-8 Jose Luis Roldan Carmona
-7 David Lopez Garcia
-6 Dario Cataldo
Biggest gainers by time :
+0:20 Marcel Kittel
+0:12 Peter Sagan
+0:08 Oscar Freire Gomez
+0:06 Pablo Lastras Garcia
+0:06 Luis Angel Mate Mardones
+0:06 Antonio Cabello Baena
+0:04 Steve Houanard
+0:02 Julien Fouchard
Biggest losers by time :
-6:51 Aitor Perez Arrieta
-6:51 Aleksejs Saramotins
-6:51 Alexandre Geniez
-6:51 Dario Cataldo
-6:51 David Lopez Garcia
-6:51 Dimitri Champion
-6:51 Jose Luis Roldan Carmona
-6:51 Marc De Maar
-6:51 Matteo Carrara
-6:51 Michael Albasini
-6:51 Nick Nuyens
Favourites by position :
+2 Andreas Kloden
-19 Rein Taaramae
Favourites by time :
-6:51 Rein Taaramae
Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Sylvain Chavanel 27:29:12 (unchanged)
2 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 0:15 (unchanged)
3 Vincenzo Nibali 0:16 (unchanged)
4 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver 0:23 (unchanged)
5 Jakob Fuglsang 0:25 (unchanged)
6 Fredrik Kessiakoff 0:41 (unchanged)
7 Maxime Monfort 0:44 (unchanged)
8 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 0:49 (unchanged)
9 Sergio Pardilla Belllon 0:49 (unchanged)
10 Marzio Bruseghin 0:52 (unchanged)
.....
13 Michele Scarponi 0:57 (unchanged)
.....
15 Bauke Mollema 1:01 (unchanged)
.....
17 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil 1:05 (unchanged)
18 Janez Brajkovic 1:13 (unchanged)
.....
22 Bradley Wiggins 1:26 (unchanged)
.....
26 Carlos Sastre Candil 1:58 (unchanged)
.....
30 Steven Kruijswijk 2:34 (unchanged)
31 Denis Menchov 2:41 (unchanged)
.....
101 David Blanco Rodriguez 42:37 (unchanged)
.....
105 Tony Martin 44:34 (unchanged)
106 Benat Intxausti Elorriaga 44:42 (unchanged)
.....
144 Andreas Kloden 59:29 (was 146th at 59:29)
.....
146 Rein Taaramae 59:59 (was 127th at 53:08)
Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Peter Sagan 50 (was 5th with 30 points)
2 Joaquim Rodriguez Oliver 48 (was 0 points)
3 Pablo Lastras Garcia 48 (was 2nd with 48 points)
4 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 41 (was 3rd with 41 points)
5 Marcel Kittel 41 (was 19th with 16 points)
6 Sylvain Chavanel 32 (was 4th with 32 points)
7 Wout Poels 28 (was 6th with 28 points)
8 Bauke Mollema 26 (was 7th with 26 points)
9 Christopher Sutton 25 (was 8th with 25 points)
10 Valerio Agnoli 25 (was 9th with 25 points)
Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 20 (unchanged)
2 Chris Anker Sorensen 15 (unchanged)
3 Koen de Kort 13 (was 0 points)
4 David Moncoutie 10 (unchanged)
5 Daniel Martin 10 (unchanged)
6 Joaquim Rodriguez Oliver 6 (was 0 points)
7 Eduard Vorganov 6 (unchanged)
8 Thomas Rohregger 6 (unchanged)
9 Rein Taaramae 5 (unchanged)
10 Przemyslaw Niemiec 4 (unchanged)
Retirements to date : Stage
Johann Tschopp (Swi) BMC Racing Team 6
Kurt-Asle Arvesen (Nor) Sky Procycling 6
Matti Breschel (Den) Rabobank Cycling Team 6
Nicolas Vogondy (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 6
Jose Vicente Garcia Acosta (Spa) Movistar Team 5
Mauricio Ardila Cano (Col) Geox-TMC 5
Mark Cavendish (GBr) HTC-Highroad 4
Matthew Goss (Aus) HTC-Highroad 2
Total retirements : 8
(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)
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TOPIC: $50,000 for KILLING AMERICAN TERRORISTS George Bush Jr and Dick Cheney
like PIGS
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/0c3b05230d3e1bec?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 12:53 pm
From: "FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer"
$50,000 for KILLING AMERICAN TERRORISTS George Bush Jr and Dick Cheney like
pigs
I will pay $50,000 for killing George Bush Jr, Dick Cheney and FBI director
Robert Mueller III, NSA director Keith Alexander, CIA director David
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If these links dont work, then just google for Julia Wilson, Sacramento,
california, 14 yr old girl, kill bush etc.
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/141006_myspace_bush.html
or
http://xpress.sfsu.edu/archives/editorials/007254.html
Another Rhode Island 7th grader investigated by Secret Service
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10366680
But here, I POSTED a $50k BOUNTY on George Bush Jr, Dich Cheney, Donald
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and National Intelligence director Dennis Blair and these IMPOTENT US GOVT
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Here is a PUBLIC MESSAGE for all the Forked Tongued FBI, CIA and NSA
TERRORISTS.:
Begin Message
I will NEVER EVER bend over and behave like a SLAVE like majority of the
320 mil programmed american slaves NO MATTER how much YOU TORTURE ME.
I would rather DIE ON MY FEET than live on my knees.
End Message
I also URGE all the readers on usenet to send this link and my usenet post
to ALL US GOVT LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES US Marshalls, Secret Service,
BATF, local police stations in your towns and cities (even the cops need to
be educated about these ILLEGAL SECRET TORTURES)
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But they wont arrest and prosecute me for this reason.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy/msg/6212b297461a5bc0?hl=en
If the following links dont work, then please google for these keywords
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Covert Operations of NSA- Mind Control and DEW Weapons
http://www.scribd.com/doc/25664429/Conspiracy-Mind-Control-Covert-Operations-of-the-NSA
SYNTHETIC TELEPATHY and PSYCHO-ELECTRONIC WEAPON TORTURES by 100,000 FBI and
NSA SECRET SPIES
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/msg/fe7c583b68f9bb88?hl=en&
1) Bomb these American Federal Buildings and American INFRASTRUCTURE
BUILDINGS and KILL as many FBI, CIA, DNI and NSA TERRORISTS as possible
like one would kill mad dogs.
FBI Headquarters - Edgar Hoover Building in Washington DC
CIA Headquarers in Langley, Virginia
NSA Headquarters in Ft George Meade, Maryland
DNI Headquarters in Washington DC
US Capitol Building
GoldenGate Bridge SanFrancisco
Empire State Building, Newyork
Brooklyn Bridge, Newyork
Hoover Dam, Nevada
Willis Tower, Chicago
Washington Monument, Washington DC
Lockheed Martin Corporate Headquarters
Northrop Grumman Headquarters
Xe Company Headquarters
The Heritage Foundation
Manhattan Institute
Rand Corporation
American Enterprise Institute
This is how the WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN TERRORISTS at FBI, CIA and NSA are
RAPING, TORTURING and KILLING POWERLESS Americans for decades.....
MODUS OPERANDI OF FBI, CIA and NSA PSYCHOPATHS and TERRORISTS
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.mindcontrol/msg/9329d2af1c6e5f8b?h...
Your psychopathic governments programmed your brains to think every one who
accuses the government of tortures is "delusional".
MKULTRA and COINTELPRO were never terminated. They merely became SECRET
TORTURES.
Stop watching those stupid fucking reality shows Kardashians, Jon and Kate,
Jersey Shore and the rest of the dumb american shit and use that fucking
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DEW Weapons, Mind Control and COINTELPRO.........
REAL WORLD HERO,
AmerGovtCriminalsExposer
AmerGovtPsychopathsExposer
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
HusbandOfAllFBInCIAnNSAAgents
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TOPIC: Pinguecula and Cycling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/148bb8240560aa24?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 26 2011 6:22 pm
From: Sean Melcher
Hey all,
Just the other day my eye doctor diagnosed me with Pinguecula, a non-
cancerous growth on the white part of the eyeball due to wind/UV
exposure. I'd imagine that my past 7 years of road racing/riding has
contributed to the condition, and I was wondering if anyone else has
experienced this or knows anyone who has. Any advice on sunglasses,
treatment, methods, doctors, or otherwise would be greatly
appreciated.
Sean
Basking Ridge, NJ
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