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Today's topics:
* Anton got married this weekend. - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8e54efedc747792d?hl=en
* Hey Dumbasses - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7d492f75131152bf?hl=en
* Woody Allen is going to be pissed when he hears the peloton is using these -
3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7424165b3102cae7?hl=en
* LA/Feds - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b3183e9e71aa0ba3?hl=en
* Vuelta a Espana, stage 10 summary - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/854918ffde7bc280?hl=en
* Bands of negroes attacking St. Louis bicyclists - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e8427df2c89ca5a2?hl=en
* Titanium as a frame material - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e1da65a14ff20185?hl=en
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TOPIC: Anton got married this weekend.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/8e54efedc747792d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 28 2011 11:34 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd
On Aug 28, 8:37 pm, Jimmy July <Ji...@Fredburger.com> wrote:
> On 8/28/11 9:38 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> > Just thought I'd let you all know why I've been too busy to visit rbr
> > the last few weeks,
>
> I don't believe that. I know we ALL set our alarm clocks to go off 15
> minutes early every Tuesday so we can check RBR.
Good point. Congratulations Anton - but why oh why
couldn't you have held the news and dropped it on
RBR on a Tuesday?
Fredmaster Ben
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 7:07 am
From: Steven Bornfeld
On 8/28/2011 12:38 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
> Just thought I'd let you all know why I've been too busy to visit rbr
> the last few weeks,
>
> I think being married will make a kinder more gentle Anton.*
>
> *Except when it comes to that doping son-of-a bitch Lance Armstrong
> and the skank Liz Hatch,
>
> OK.... so nothing's changed.
>
I've never figured out who you are. For the record, marriage didn't
make me kinder and gentler. That's a good thing.
All the best.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 11:21 am
From: Choppy Warburton
On Aug 29, 1:34 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 8:37 pm, Jimmy July <Ji...@Fredburger.com> wrote:
>
> > On 8/28/11 9:38 AM, Anton Berlin wrote:
>
> > > Just thought I'd let you all know why I've been too busy to visit rbr
> > > the last few weeks,
>
> > I don't believe that. I know we ALL set our alarm clocks to go off 15
> > minutes early every Tuesday so we can check RBR.
>
> Good point. Congratulations Anton - but why oh why
> couldn't you have held the news and dropped it on
> RBR on a Tuesday?
>
> Fredmaster Ben
Fucking Anton piss poor timing on your part. Should have waited until
Tuesday. RBR rules
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TOPIC: Hey Dumbasses
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7d492f75131152bf?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 5:02 am
From: Simply Fred
Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> How do you know he's talking to himself? Maybe he has
> a Bluetooth earpiece in, and Jeff Novitsky is on the other
> end of the line, listening carefully. That's the great thing
> about cellphones and Bluetooths, you can't tell the difference
> between Important People and street crazies any more.
Just imagine what could have happened if Cheney had a bluetooth
connection to Bush.
> P.S.
> I haven't engaged in the latest round of BL-baiting. Because
> I'm holding out for a higher hourly rate from Fabiani. The
> rest of you are a bunch of scabs who don't value your labor.
You need to get asshat status first.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 12:30 pm
From: Michael Press
In article
<897a2f51-5e85-457b-b271-5f1259619213@r8g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjweiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 7:59 pm, Fred Flintstein <bob.schwa...@sbcREMOVEglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > On 6/15/2011 4:56 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:
> >
> > > Stop trying to engage Lafferty in rational conversation. He's
> > > not capable of that. You guys are just feeding his obsession.
> > > Knock it off!
> >
> > > I admit I've spent time following him up in order to dump on
> > > him. But there's no point in that either. So I've stopped.
> >
> > > Stop feeding his obsession. Let him deal with it in the scary
> > > dark recesses of his mental illness.
> >
> > > F
> >
> > Folks, he's nuts. He's the guy talking to himself on the street,
> > muttering about something about some guy named LANCE that you
> > already know isn't worth paying attention to because HE'S NUTS!
> >
> > Just sayin'. Knock it off!
> >
> > F
>
> How do you know he's talking to himself? Maybe he has
> a Bluetooth earpiece in, and Jeff Novitsky is on the other
> end of the line, listening carefully. That's the great thing
> about cellphones and Bluetooths, you can't tell the difference
> between Important People and street crazies any more.
>
> Time will tell,
> Fredmaster Ben
>
> P.S.
> I haven't engaged in the latest round of BL-baiting. Because
> I'm holding out for a higher hourly rate from Fabiani. The
> rest of you are a bunch of scabs who don't value your labor.
I'm doing it pro bono publico.
--
Michael Press
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TOPIC: Woody Allen is going to be pissed when he hears the peloton is using
these
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7424165b3102cae7?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 11:28 am
From: Choppy Warburton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isrd7E5nzIQ&feature=related
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 11:40 am
From: Fred Flintstein
On 8/29/2011 1:28 PM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isrd7E5nzIQ&feature=related
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/busted_racquet/post/This-is-the-fitness-pod-that-helped-Novak-Djokov?urn=ten-wp2719
>
"The aftereffects were nothing special, one said, though
he claimed that some users get hooked on the process like
a drug."
WADA will take a dim view of this.
F
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 6:33 pm
From: dave a
On 8/29/2011 11:28 AM, Choppy Warburton wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isrd7E5nzIQ&feature=related
>
> http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/busted_racquet/post/This-is-the-fitness-pod-that-helped-Novak-Djokov?urn=ten-wp2719
>
>
>
>
http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2010/06/27/it-appears-inevitable-that-cristie-kerr-will-kiss-another-trophy/
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TOPIC: LA/Feds
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/b3183e9e71aa0ba3?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 11:29 am
From: BL
On 8/28/2011 11:15 PM, --D-y wrote:
> On Aug 28, 1:21 pm, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> This is about a group of guys
>> who have engaged in conspiracy, mail and wire fraud, insurance fraud,
>> perjury, suborning perjury, witness intimidation (not just Tyler of
>> late) money laundering, tax evasion, violations of the FCPA and other
>> crimes all at the expense of the US taxpayer and in violation of US
>> criminal law.
>> It's also about hubris getting its just reward.
>
> IMHO it's *all* about Armstrong's perceived arrogance being punished
> with you, Brian.
>
> The rest is icing on the cake, added "punishment"-- and who knows,
> Barry Bond's obstruction charge held. What kind of sentence will he
> get, and will that pave the way for Lance to get served?
>
> The Tuesdays are flowing by. Maybe after the racing season ends here
> pretty soon, we'll have other distractions.
>
>> I am obsessed with getting at the truth about a
>> sport that has been competitively gutted by doping.
>
> Inflamtory rhetoric, anyone? It's been the dopers against the other
> dopers and maybe a few who really never doped including ever taking
> anything they were "handed", so to speak, that had dope in it whether
> they knew or not.
>
> How about baseball, American football? International soccer? People
> are doping to ride parking lot crits and play in old-guy softball
> leagues. By your definition, there's an awful lot of "gutting" going
> on.
> --D-y
>
> It just happens that
>> the poster boy in that gutting is a guy named Armstrong who has created
>> one of the biggest and most complex sporting frauds (note: not doping
>> fraud) in history.
>>
>> In the meantime, the children here continue to engage in moronic
>> playground games that have driven away many good people who were regular
>> posters to this forum. At least it does get quite amusing at times with
>> Morons like the Freds and Jimmy chiming in. Carry on.
>
You're entitled to your opinion, however inaccurate and/or just plain
wrong it may be. Carry on.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 11:31 am
From: BL
On 8/28/2011 11:55 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> On Aug 28, 11:21 am, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2011 12:45 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
>>
>>> Brian, virtually everyone on this n.g. has known that LA was a doper
>>> for years.
>>
>> Wrong. Go back and follow the discussion from 1999 on and you will see
>> the high level of denial of the doping problem here at rbr.
>
> Brian, in case you haven't noticed, this isn't 1999. Those guys are
> long gone, and have been for years. If you want to crow "I'm right" to
> them, hunt them down and email them. FWIW, I was getting burned at the
> stake here in the late '90's for insinuating there was a doping
> problem. Acceptance of the problem happened a number of years ago.
>
>>> The only reason people rag on you is because of your
>>> obsession with his prosecution, and your belief that it would somehow
>>> change the sport for the better.
>>
>> Wrong again. I have not over the years called for Armstrong's
>> prosecution. I've called for him to be investigated and outed.
>
> I'm talking about the current prosecution, and the current case. Not
> the past.
>
>>> Anyone who has finished in the top 10
>>> on GC of a major tour the past two (three? more?) decades has likely
>>> doped either for the event or at some point in their career.
>>
>> But, that has not been the position of most of the denizens of rbr.
>> Until just the past couple of years, the posters to rbr remained in
>> abject denial of the depth of the doping problem in cycling.
>
> You're essentially agreeing with what I said above. Those people are
> gone.
>
>>> Wasting
>>> millions of dollars of US taxpayer money going after a guy who doped
>>> in a sport full of dopers a decade ago seems ridiculous and pointless
>>> to most of us.
>>
>> That may be partially true, but it's not simplistically about going
>> after a guy who doped in a doping infested sport. That's the line that
>> Fabiani would like the public to swallow. This is about a group of guys
>> who have engaged in conspiracy, mail and wire fraud, insurance fraud,
>> perjury, suborning perjury, witness intimidation (not just Tyler of
>> late) money laundering, tax evasion, violations of the FCPA and other
>> crimes all at the expense of the US taxpayer and in violation of US
>> criminal law. It's also about hubris getting its just reward.
>
> If they're guilty of all of what you cite and the chances of it being
> successfully prosecuted are good, then maybe it's worth an FDA
> investigator spending 100% his time on it instead of investigating the
> thousands of companies in this country that are producing tainted
> foods and distributing them to the US public (google the recent CDC
> report on food borne illness). IMO, the feds are going to have a hell
> of a time proving much of anything against LA. He has reputable and
> conflicting witnesses, there is virtually no paper trail of the acts
> you describe, nobody has found a money trail, and the guy (in spite of
> your beliefs) has an extremely strong public support base. IMO, the
> case is a black hole for resources that should be allocated to more
> important issues.
>
>>
>> >If you weren't obsessed with LA, maybe you'd see it
>>
>>> that way, too.
>>
>> I would not see it that way because I see it as far more complex than a
>> simply old doping case. I am obsessed with getting at the truth about a
>> sport that has been competitively gutted by doping. It just happens that
>> the poster boy in that gutting is a guy named Armstrong who has created
>> one of the biggest and most complex sporting frauds (note: not doping
>> fraud) in history.
>
> From my observation, you're a lot more interested in seeing LA in jail
> out of your dislike for him than for any positive effect his
> conviction would have on the competitive nature of bicycle racing.
> IMO, doping hasn't gutted the competition - everyone worth a shit
> dopes, so the advantage is essentially negated. It can be controlled
> through testing, but it can't be stopped, any more than prostitution
> or any other vice can be. If they nail LA, hey, great, but it won't
> change anything. If he is nailed, on that day, my reaction will be,
> "looks like LA finally got caught. Wonder what's for lunch?". I have a
> feeling your reaction would be a lot more visceral.
>
> As for people leaving this forum, usenet is dying all over. It's
> archaic and obsolete, replaced by forums like Facebook Groups, and
> even sites like Garmin Connect and Strava. All those people you miss
> are still posting, just not here. Jimmy/Anton/Magilla didn't chase
> them away - they left for greener pastures. Some of us still bop in
> here from time to time to watch the death throes.
I suggest, Brad, that you and the other children simply limit yourselves
to substantive, non-personal posts. You kids take up far to much
bandwidth with personal comments. If you don't like my posts, don't
read and respond to them. Pretty simple, eh?
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 11:31 am
From: BL
On 8/28/2011 10:43 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "BL"<bl@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:s8SdnW8FUayxzsfTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 8/27/2011 7:03 PM, Jimmy July wrote:
>>> On 8/27/2011 9:46 AM, BL wrote:
>>>> On 8/27/2011 12:30 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:
>>>>> On 8/27/2011 11:02 AM, BL wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once I make any substantive comment
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You have never actually done this. None of your comments have any
>>>>> substance to them. And that dear boy is the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Come now, you know that isn't true. Earlier in this thread I began
>>>> with
>>>> a substantive reply to Anders and followed it up with a link to a
>>>> news
>>>> article and a substantive comment regarding it.
>>>
>>> Your delusions don't count as substance. You've been mindlessly
>>> repeating yourself for a decade, pretending to know the inner
>>> workings
>>> and processes that will lead to LA's imminent demise. And you've been
>>> repeatedly wrong. That's not substance, it's just crazy.
>>>
>>> When I tell you've been repeatedly wrong and you're acting crazy,
>>> it's
>>> not a personal attack. It's just the simple truth.
>> ROTFLMAO!!! Right, Jimmie Moron. Just love your incorrect
>> assertions. I've been saying for years that Armstrong is a doper and
>> guess what--He is! Amazing, eh. Deal with it and the fact that I've
>> been correct all along. Enjoy your day Jimmie.
>
> Er... let's get this straight. You've been saying Armstrong is a doper
> for years, and now say "...guess what--He is!"
>
> Isn't this a repetition of what you've been saying all along? Or do you
> have some new evidence that creates and open& shut case that slams the
> door on Mr. Armstrong? Far as I know, he not only hasn't yet been
> convicted of anything, he hasn't even been indicted. Far as I know,
> there has been nothing substantive released at all that would convict
> Lance Armstrong of any serious charge. We've already been over the 60
> minutes piece... some of the worst "investigative" journalism, ever,
> followed up by some of the worst, over-the-top responses by lawyers and
> PR people (Lance's) ever. You want morons? Plenty on both sides.
>
> *IF* George Hincapie gave testimony that shows Lance as guilty, fine,
> game over, but we're not there yet. Unless you're privy to something
> nobody else is.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Mike.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 12:23 pm
From: Frederick the Great
In article
<7aab7092-8104-47ee-85dd-04fea5dc4532@x11g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
Brad Anders <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW, I was getting burned at the
> stake here in the late '90's for insinuating there was a doping
> problem. Acceptance of the problem happened a number of years ago.
I deny that there is or ever was a doping problem.
--
Old Fritz
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 1:53 pm
From: Brad Anders
On Aug 29, 11:31 am, BL <b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I suggest, Brad, that you and the other children simply limit yourselves
> to substantive, non-personal posts. You kids take up far to much
> bandwidth with personal comments. If you don't like my posts, don't
> read and respond to them. Pretty simple, eh?
Sure. Just as long as you abide by the same suggestions. Can't say I
see that happening.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 3:46 pm
From: RicodJour
On Aug 29, 4:53 pm, Brad Anders <pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sure. Just as long as you abide by the same suggestions. Can't say I
> see that happening.
Hoisted on his own fucktard.
R
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 10:35 pm
From: "Mike Jacoubowsky"
BL" <bl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:a9qdnSKrZOCHRsbTnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...> On 8/28/2011
10:43 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "BL"<bl@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:s8SdnW8FUayxzsfTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 8/27/2011 7:03 PM, Jimmy July wrote:
>>>> On 8/27/2011 9:46 AM, BL wrote:
>>>>> On 8/27/2011 12:30 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/27/2011 11:02 AM, BL wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once I make any substantive comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have never actually done this. None of your comments have any
>>>>>> substance to them. And that dear boy is the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Come now, you know that isn't true. Earlier in this thread I began
>>>>> with
>>>>> a substantive reply to Anders and followed it up with a link to a
>>>>> news
>>>>> article and a substantive comment regarding it.
>>>>
>>>> Your delusions don't count as substance. You've been mindlessly
>>>> repeating yourself for a decade, pretending to know the inner
>>>> workings
>>>> and processes that will lead to LA's imminent demise. And you've
>>>> been
>>>> repeatedly wrong. That's not substance, it's just crazy.
>>>>
>>>> When I tell you've been repeatedly wrong and you're acting crazy,
>>>> it's
>>>> not a personal attack. It's just the simple truth.
>>> ROTFLMAO!!! Right, Jimmie Moron. Just love your incorrect
>>> assertions. I've been saying for years that Armstrong is a doper and
>>> guess what--He is! Amazing, eh. Deal with it and the fact that I've
>>> been correct all along. Enjoy your day Jimmie.
>>
>> Er... let's get this straight. You've been saying Armstrong is a
>> doper
>> for years, and now say "...guess what--He is!"
>>
>> Isn't this a repetition of what you've been saying all along? Or do
>> you
>> have some new evidence that creates and open& shut case that slams
>> the
>> door on Mr. Armstrong? Far as I know, he not only hasn't yet been
>> convicted of anything, he hasn't even been indicted. Far as I know,
>> there has been nothing substantive released at all that would convict
>> Lance Armstrong of any serious charge. We've already been over the 60
>> minutes piece... some of the worst "investigative" journalism, ever,
>> followed up by some of the worst, over-the-top responses by lawyers
>> and
>> PR people (Lance's) ever. You want morons? Plenty on both sides.
>>
>> *IF* George Hincapie gave testimony that shows Lance as guilty, fine,
>> game over, but we're not there yet. Unless you're privy to something
>> nobody else is.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Mike.
Thanks. Appreciate the opportunity to help bring light to a confusing
situation.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"BL" <bl@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:a9qdnSKrZOCHRsbTnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 8/28/2011 10:43 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "BL"<bl@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:s8SdnW8FUayxzsfTnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On 8/27/2011 7:03 PM, Jimmy July wrote:
>>>> On 8/27/2011 9:46 AM, BL wrote:
>>>>> On 8/27/2011 12:30 PM, William R. Mattil wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/27/2011 11:02 AM, BL wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once I make any substantive comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have never actually done this. None of your comments have any
>>>>>> substance to them. And that dear boy is the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Come now, you know that isn't true. Earlier in this thread I began
>>>>> with
>>>>> a substantive reply to Anders and followed it up with a link to a
>>>>> news
>>>>> article and a substantive comment regarding it.
>>>>
>>>> Your delusions don't count as substance. You've been mindlessly
>>>> repeating yourself for a decade, pretending to know the inner
>>>> workings
>>>> and processes that will lead to LA's imminent demise. And you've
>>>> been
>>>> repeatedly wrong. That's not substance, it's just crazy.
>>>>
>>>> When I tell you've been repeatedly wrong and you're acting crazy,
>>>> it's
>>>> not a personal attack. It's just the simple truth.
>>> ROTFLMAO!!! Right, Jimmie Moron. Just love your incorrect
>>> assertions. I've been saying for years that Armstrong is a doper and
>>> guess what--He is! Amazing, eh. Deal with it and the fact that I've
>>> been correct all along. Enjoy your day Jimmie.
>>
>> Er... let's get this straight. You've been saying Armstrong is a
>> doper
>> for years, and now say "...guess what--He is!"
>>
>> Isn't this a repetition of what you've been saying all along? Or do
>> you
>> have some new evidence that creates and open& shut case that slams
>> the
>> door on Mr. Armstrong? Far as I know, he not only hasn't yet been
>> convicted of anything, he hasn't even been indicted. Far as I know,
>> there has been nothing substantive released at all that would convict
>> Lance Armstrong of any serious charge. We've already been over the 60
>> minutes piece... some of the worst "investigative" journalism, ever,
>> followed up by some of the worst, over-the-top responses by lawyers
>> and
>> PR people (Lance's) ever. You want morons? Plenty on both sides.
>>
>> *IF* George Hincapie gave testimony that shows Lance as guilty, fine,
>> game over, but we're not there yet. Unless you're privy to something
>> nobody else is.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Mike.
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TOPIC: Vuelta a Espana, stage 10 summary
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/854918ffde7bc280?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 12:16 pm
From: Bob Martin
Stage 10 : Aug 29, Salamanca, 40 km
1 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0.55.54
2 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0.59
3 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 1.22
4 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Leopard Trek 1.27
5 Taylor Phinney (USA) BMC Racing Team 1.33
6 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Leopard Trek 1.37
7 Tiago Machado (Por) Team RadioShack 1.54
8 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team RadioShack 1.56
9 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team 2.02
10 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Leopard Trek 2.06
Changes in GC, stage 10 compared to stage 9 :
Biggest gainers by position :
+33 Andrey Mizourov
+13 Christopher Froome
+11 Tiago Machado
+11 Janez Brajkovic
+10 Bradley Wiggins
+9 Olivier Kaisen
+9 Markel Irizar Aranburu
+8 Denis Menchov
+7 Fabian Cancellara
+6 Thomas Rohregger
Biggest losers by position :
-13 Daniel Moreno Fernandez
-13 Kevin Seeldraeyers
-12 Daniel Martin
-12 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver
-10 Mikel Nieve Ituralde
-10 Rein Taaramae
-9 David Moncoutie
-9 Lloyd Mondory
-8 Ivan Santaromita
-7 Jurgen Van Den Broeck
-7 Yoann Bagot
Biggest gainers by time :
+13:49 Andrey Mizourov
+2:02 Tony Martin
+1:03 Christopher Froome
+0:40 Bradley Wiggins
+0:35 Fabian Cancellara
+0:29 Taylor Phinney
+0:25 Jakob Fuglsang
+0:08 Tiago Machado
+0:06 Janez Brajkovic
Biggest losers by time :
-8:47 Tom Boonen
-8:17 Dario Cataldo
-8:11 Andreas Klier
-8:11 Pierre Cazaux
-7:58 Juan Jose Lobato Del Valle
-7:55 Rein Taaramae
-7:55 Roy Curvers
-7:28 Christopher Sutton
-7:24 Lloyd Mondory
-7:23 Marcel Kittel
-7:21 Jonas Aaen Jorgensen
Favourites by position :
+11 Janez Brajkovic
+10 Bradley Wiggins
+8 Denis Menchov
+6 Steven Kruijswijk
+5 Tony Martin
+5 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil
+3 Carlos Sastre Candil
+2 David Blanco Rodriguez
-1 Vincenzo Nibali
-2 Benat Intxausti Elorriaga
-3 Andreas Kloden
-4 Michele Scarponi
-6 Bauke Mollema
-7 Jurgen Van Den Broeck
-10 Rein Taaramae
Favourites by time :
+2:02 Tony Martin
+0:40 Bradley Wiggins
+0:06 Janez Brajkovic
-0:17 Denis Menchov
-0:22 Vincenzo Nibali
-0:55 Steven Kruijswijk
-1:07 Bauke Mollema
-1:54 Jurgen Van Den Broeck
-2:05 Carlos Sastre Candil
-2:16 David Blanco Rodriguez
-2:28 Michele Scarponi
-4:40 Benat Intxausti Elorriaga
-5:08 Andreas Kloden
-7:55 Rein Taaramae
Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
1 Christopher Froome 38:09:13 (was 14th at 1:03)
2 Jakob Fuglsang 0:12 (was 7th at 0:37)
3 Bradley Wiggins 0:20 (was 13th at 1:00)
4 Vincenzo Nibali 0:31 (was 3rd at 0:09)
5 Fredrik Kessiakoff 0:34 (was 4th at 0:18)
6 Maxime Monfort 0:59 (was 11th at 0:55)
7 Bauke Mollema 1:07 (was 1st at 0:00)
8 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo 1:47 (was 10th at 0:46)
9 Janez Brajkovic 2:04 (was 20th at 2:10)
10 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre 2:13 (was 9th at 0:42)
.....
12 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 2:21 (was 5th at 0:27)
13 Denis Menchov 2:35 (was 21st at 2:18)
.....
18 Steven Kruijswijk 3:52 (was 24th at 2:57)
.....
22 Michele Scarponi 4:22 (was 18th at 1:54)
.....
28 Carlos Sastre Candil 6:48 (was 31st at 4:43)
.....
33 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil 10:17 (was 38th at 10:17)
.....
73 David Blanco Rodriguez 50:44 (was 75th at 48:28)
.....
98 Benat Intxausti Elorriaga 1:09:11 (was 96th at 1:04:31)
.....
104 Rein Taaramae 1:11:36 (was 94th at 1:03:41)
.....
109 Tony Martin 1:13:52 (was 114th at 1:15:54)
.....
126 Andreas Kloden 1:25:37 (was 123rd at 1:20:29)
Top 10 on Points table with previous in parens:
1 Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver 74 (unchanged)
2 Bauke Mollema 62 (unchanged)
3 Peter Sagan 50 (unchanged)
4 Daniel Martin 48 (unchanged)
5 Pablo Lastras Garcia 48 (unchanged)
6 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 42 (unchanged)
7 Jakob Fuglsang 41 (was 13th with 31 points)
8 Marcel Kittel 41 (was 7th with 41 points)
9 Michele Scarponi 40 (was 8th with 40 points)
10 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 38 (was 9th with 38 points)
Top 10 on Mountains table with previous in parens:
1 Daniel Martin 25 (unchanged)
2 Matteo Montaguti 23 (unchanged)
3 Daniel Moreno Fernandez 20 (unchanged)
4 Chris Anker Sorensen 15 (unchanged)
5 Koen De Kort 14 (unchanged)
6 David Moncoutie 11 (unchanged)
7 Bauke Mollema 10 (unchanged)
8 Heinrich Haussler 7 (unchanged)
9 Julien Fouchard 7 (unchanged)
10 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo 6 (was 11th with 6 points)
Retirements to date : Stage
Murilo Antonio Fischer (Bra) Team Garmin-Cervelo 9
Michal Golas (Pol) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 8
Nicolas Edet (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 8
Oscar Freire Gomez (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team 8
Tyler Farrar (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 8
Johann Tschopp (Swi) BMC Racing Team 6
Kurt-Asle Arvesen (Nor) Sky Procycling 6
Matti Breschel (Den) Rabobank Cycling Team 6
Nicolas Vogondy (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 6
Jose Vicente Garcia Acosta (Spa) Movistar Team 5
Mauricio Ardila Cano (Col) Geox-TMC 5
Mark Cavendish (GBr) HTC-Highroad 4
Matthew Goss (Aus) HTC-Highroad 2
Total retirements : 13
(This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 12:44 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Aug 29, 12:16 pm, Bob Martin <bob.mar...@excite.com> wrote:
> Stage 10 : Aug 29, Salamanca, 40 km
>
> 1 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0.55.54
> 2 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0.59
> 3 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling 1.22
...
> Top 10 and favourites GC standings (previous stage in parens) :
> 1 Christopher Froome 38:09:13 (was 14th at 1:03)
> 2 Jakob Fuglsang 0:12 (was 7th at 0:37)
> 3 Bradley Wiggins 0:20 (was 13th at 1:00)
> 4 Vincenzo Nibali 0:31 (was 3rd at 0:09)
> 5 Fredrik Kessiakoff 0:34 (was 4th at 0:18)
> 6 Maxime Monfort 0:59 (was 11th at 0:55)
> 7 Bauke Mollema 1:07 (was 1st at 0:00)
> 8 Juan Jose Cobo Acebo 1:47 (was 10th at 0:46)
> 9 Janez Brajkovic 2:04 (was 20th at 2:10)
> 10 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre 2:13 (was 9th at 0:42)
> .....
> 12 Jurgen Van Den Broeck 2:21 (was 5th at 0:27)
> 13 Denis Menchov 2:35 (was 21st at 2:18)
> (This report can also be seen at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rvmartin2)
I'm not the most serious cycling fan, but doesn't this seem like a
fairly tier-2 lineup? I know the Vuelta is the least prestigious GT,
but the winner is going to be Nibali after Wiggins crashes out, right?
This is the foregone conclusion?
Also, anyone else remember when Menchov was a GT contender?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 1:42 pm
From: Fred Flintstein
On 8/29/2011 2:44 PM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> I'm not the most serious cycling fan, but doesn't this seem like a
> fairly tier-2 lineup? I know the Vuelta is the least prestigious GT,
> but the winner is going to be Nibali after Wiggins crashes out, right?
> This is the foregone conclusion?
>
> Also, anyone else remember when Menchov was a GT contender?
Last year's Tour. Seems ages ago. He won the Giro the year that
LANCE, LANCE, LANCE rode it. Not that anyone remembers.
He'd be more memorable if he only dated women that looked like
LANCE's mom.
F
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TOPIC: Bands of negroes attacking St. Louis bicyclists
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e8427df2c89ca5a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 12:31 pm
From: walt tonne
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/08/29/alert-for-swarm-and-slug-mobs/
Shoot to kill, a good one is a dead one.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 2:13 pm
From: Choppy Warburton
On Aug 29, 2:31 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/08/29/alert-for-swarm-and-slug-mobs/
>
> Shoot to kill, a good one is a dead one.
Walt,
These aren't negroes. These are niggers. Whether they are white,
black or Chinese, these are niggers.
If I was riding my bike in south st louis I would be out nigger
hunting and would shoot the first group that attacked me or anyone
else regardless of their skin color.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 2:24 pm
From: Harold Burton
In article
<15b4c2ff-8f98-43e5-8a0e-3d1e91ab9287@hb5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Choppy Warburton <choppywarburton@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 2:31 pm, walt tonne <tonnewalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/08/29/alert-for-swarm-and-slug-mobs/
> >
> > Shoot to kill, a good one is a dead one.
>
> Walt,
>
> These aren't negroes. These are niggers. Whether they are white,
> black or Chinese, these are niggers.
>
> If I was riding my bike in south st louis I would be out nigger
> hunting and would shoot the first group that attacked me or anyone
> else regardless of their skin color.
Where is Charles Bronson when you need him?
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TOPIC: Titanium as a frame material
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e1da65a14ff20185?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 1:04 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Aug 22, 10:35 am, "William R. Mattil" <wrmat...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
> On 8/22/2011 11:47 AM, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
>
>
> > Steel bicycle frames now have no known purpose.
>
> Other than propel a rider down the road you mean ?
>
> Nothing wrong with steel. Except that the snobs won't like it. Which is
> an attraction actually.
>
> Bill
> --
>
> William R. Mattil
I did not expect a decent-sized catch while using such a crudely tied
fly.
Bill, I was wrong. As penance, I pledge to spend a month riding the
following bicycle in Greece, repeating "snobs don't like this, snobs
don't like this":
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcousine/6068285675/in/photostream
My penance starts in late September. You may heap your pity and
sympathy on me.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 1:02 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Aug 25, 5:36 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Aug 25, 3:59 am, OccasionalFlyer <javaje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 23, 6:38 am, OccasionalFlyer <javaje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Thanks for all the response. I wasn't trying to start a feud, and I
> > > > don't have an ax to grind over Titanium, steel, aluminuim, or Carbon
> > > > fiber. I'm looking to move up to a better bike than the Trek 2100 I
> > > > bought twenty years ago. I like it but just once I'd like better
> > > > comjponentry, etc. I was thinking Titanium, like a Litespeed, but
> > > > Carbon fiber seems to be the material of choice for almost anything
> > > > I've seen above $2500.00. I was thinking that Titanium would give me
> > > > the best ride but now I'm rethinking that. I'm not getting it for
> > > > racing. I was never any good at that. I am more concerned with a
> > > > really nice-handling, higher-end bike for regular riding I do. My
> > > > 2100 has spoiled me for anything less. Now I'm looking at a Cervelo
> > > > R3 Rival, in case anyone has any comments. I'm assuming that a good
> > > > racing bike will allow for a comfortable ride, as opposed to a Tri-
> > > > kike. Thanks.
>
> > > > Ken
>
> > > Think more on the lines of the sizing and geometry of the frame.
> > > Whether the frame can accept the size of tyre (and mudguards) you
> > > require. Whether the frame can accept and has the clearance for
> > > luggage racks. Are the cranks the correct length for you, are the
> > > handlebars and brake levers comfortable. Is the saddle suitable. All
> > > are more important than actual materials used. As a rule, stay with
> > > what you are comfortable with, see if there are improvements to be
> > > made in the wheels. Many lack the stability required for hard riding.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry, luggage rack? I want to buy a high-performance racing bike
>
> That's in the engine and wheels.
>
> > (even if I don't have the knees for it) to go out riding with no
> > specific destination, not a touring bike or commuter bike. That's the
> > job of my MTB with street tires.. I'd never leave a high-level racing
> > bike anywhere like outside my office, or even Starbucks, so I'm not
> > looking for something with that sort of feature.
>
> Try taking a picnic in your jersey pockets. I've tried carrying a
> wine bottle on a pure racer, I had to use a toestrp to hold it tight
> in the bottle cage while my water bottle went in my pocket to squash
> the pastries.
Amateur. The beverage of choice is the radler, which is an even mix of
beer and 7-up (the literature says "lemonade," but it means the fizzy
lemon stuff that Germans call by that name, so you can easily
substitute with any lemon-lime soda, including a nice Italian lemon
soda if you want the super-euro experience). It should be mixed ahead
and decanted into water bottles.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 1:51 pm
From: Ryan Cousineau
On Aug 24, 7:59 pm, OccasionalFlyer <javaje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> Sorry, luggage rack? I want to buy a high-performance racing bike
> (even if I don't have the knees for it) to go out riding with no
> specific destination, not a touring bike or commuter bike. That's the
> job of my MTB with street tires.. I'd never leave a high-level racing
> bike anywhere like outside my office, or even Starbucks, so I'm not
> looking for something with that sort of feature.
Hm. Have you looked at some of the upright-geometry road bikes? I'm
talking Cervelo RS, Cannondale Synapse, etc. They are decidedly not
touring bikes: still built plenty light, but they focus on a cockpit
that makes it easy to get the bars up somewhat higher than on an all-
out road racer. They're often marketed as "century" bikes, given their
practicality for fast, long, unladen rides.
Ti is fine stuff for a bike, but most of the remaining makers focus on
the custom market. "Value for money" is a fairly ludicrous concept
when buying a bike for non-competitive, recreational rides, but you've
indicated a pretty generous budget. As far as I can tell, most high-
end bikes are price-determined more by their components than their
frames: the S5 is a tidy example: frame is $3000, Rival build is
$3800, Di2 $9000, and note that all of those builds come with a set of
relatively mundane wheels, so assume a lot of R5 riders are adding
thousands to the list price with a deep-section CF wheel upgrade.
What I'm getting at is that frame geometry > components > frame
material.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 29 2011 6:45 pm
From: thirty-six
On Aug 29, 9:02 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 25, 5:36 am, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 25, 3:59 am, OccasionalFlyer <javaje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 23, 6:38 am, OccasionalFlyer <javaje...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Thanks for all the response. I wasn't trying to start a feud, and I
> > > > > don't have an ax to grind over Titanium, steel, aluminuim, or Carbon
> > > > > fiber. I'm looking to move up to a better bike than the Trek 2100 I
> > > > > bought twenty years ago. I like it but just once I'd like better
> > > > > comjponentry, etc. I was thinking Titanium, like a Litespeed, but
> > > > > Carbon fiber seems to be the material of choice for almost anything
> > > > > I've seen above $2500.00. I was thinking that Titanium would give me
> > > > > the best ride but now I'm rethinking that. I'm not getting it for
> > > > > racing. I was never any good at that. I am more concerned with a
> > > > > really nice-handling, higher-end bike for regular riding I do. My
> > > > > 2100 has spoiled me for anything less. Now I'm looking at a Cervelo
> > > > > R3 Rival, in case anyone has any comments. I'm assuming that a good
> > > > > racing bike will allow for a comfortable ride, as opposed to a Tri-
> > > > > kike. Thanks.
>
> > > > > Ken
>
> > > > Think more on the lines of the sizing and geometry of the frame.
> > > > Whether the frame can accept the size of tyre (and mudguards) you
> > > > require. Whether the frame can accept and has the clearance for
> > > > luggage racks. Are the cranks the correct length for you, are the
> > > > handlebars and brake levers comfortable. Is the saddle suitable. All
> > > > are more important than actual materials used. As a rule, stay with
> > > > what you are comfortable with, see if there are improvements to be
> > > > made in the wheels. Many lack the stability required for hard riding.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Sorry, luggage rack? I want to buy a high-performance racing bike
>
> > That's in the engine and wheels.
>
> > > (even if I don't have the knees for it) to go out riding with no
> > > specific destination, not a touring bike or commuter bike. That's the
> > > job of my MTB with street tires.. I'd never leave a high-level racing
> > > bike anywhere like outside my office, or even Starbucks, so I'm not
> > > looking for something with that sort of feature.
>
> > Try taking a picnic in your jersey pockets. I've tried carrying a
> > wine bottle on a pure racer, I had to use a toestrp to hold it tight
> > in the bottle cage while my water bottle went in my pocket to squash
> > the pastries.
>
> Amateur. The beverage of choice is the radler, which is an even mix of
> beer and 7-up (the literature says "lemonade," but it means the fizzy
I'll call it a shandy. I prefer a dark mild ale myself, which can be
obtained in convenient cans but need a little chilling after a load of
shaking on the bike, so a bag sized suitable to take a wine bottle
seems more appropriate when entertaining.
> lemon stuff that Germans call by that name, so you can easily
> substitute with any lemon-lime soda, including a nice Italian lemon
> soda if you want the super-euro experience). It should be mixed ahead
> and decanted into water bottles.
I've seen the Italian lemonade, but it's more costly than the UK
premium brands that I'm aware of. Does it have a lot of lemon oil
content, Is it particularly zesty?
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