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Systematic significance of the flavonoid constituents in the Fagonia
indica—complex  Original Research Article
Biochemical Systematics and Ecology, Volume 16, Issue 3, 18 April
1988, Pages 293-297
M.N. El-hadidi, S.A.M. Al-wakeel, I.A. El-garf

http://0-www.sciencedirect.com.lib.hope.edu/science/article/pii/0305197888900129

doi:10.1016/0305-1978(88)90012-9

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Need full text for the below title.

Systematic significance of the flavonoid constituents in the Fagonia
indica—complex Original Research Article
Biochemical Systematics and Ecology, Volume 16, Issue 3, 18 April
1988, Pages 293-297
M.N. El-hadidi, S.A.M. Al-wakeel, I.A. El-garf

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The rattan trade of Northern Myanmar: Species, supplies, and sustainability


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The rattan trade of Northern Myanmar: Species, supplies, and sustainability


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1. Integrating engineering design improvements with exoelectrogen enrichment process to increase power output from microbial fuel cells

Abhijeet P. Borole, Choo Y. Hamilton, Tatiana A. Vishnivetskaya, David Leak, Calin Andras, Jennifer Morrell-Falvey, Martin Keller, Brian Davison

Journal of Power Sources                  

Volume 191, Issue 2, 15 June 2009, Pages 520-527

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378775309002663

 

2. Comparative study of three types of microbial fuel cell

Ioannis A. Ieropoulos, John Greenman, Chris Melhuish, John Hart

Enzyme and Microbial Technology

Volume 37, Issue 2, 1 July 2005, Pages 238-245

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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 3:36 pm
From: Deadmeat


On 9/13/2011 6:13 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> <Deadmeat> wrote in message
> news:4e6fa9ae$0$28723$c3e8da3$a8a65a91@news.astraweb.com...
>> On 9/13/2011 1:24 PM, buRford wrote:
>>> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
>>> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah,
>>> blah, blah.
>>> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
>>> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>>>
>>> Obviously, Brady's great,& they have a great O design, but the rest,
>>> outside of a few
>>> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>>>
>>> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah,
>>> blah, blah.
>>>
>>> I just laugh at it.
>>>
>>> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>>>
>>> Gotta go... there's a rerun of "Hillbilly Handfishing."
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it's only OK when the media is running of at the mouth about the
>> jets. I get it.
>>
>>
>> How long has it been since the jets won anything?
>
> Actually, since Sunday night.
>
>
Hey, pretty good there. It might be the first time a jet fan said
anything funny.


== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 3:40 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> I just laugh at it.
>
> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
>
It would be revealing to know how you define greatness. Apparently
the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
doesn't impress you. So what does impress you? Are you watching the
same sport I'm watching?

If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
then I can agree with that sentiment. I agree 100%. It's an
embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
all of these guys and teams. It's not real life. It's a game.

In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
assume). I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
overall record and set all those NFL records. So, I have to say that
if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
Foxboro.


== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 4:09 pm
From: MuahMan


On Sep 13, 6:13 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <Deadmeat> wrote in message
>
> news:4e6fa9ae$0$28723$c3e8da3$a8a65a91@news.astraweb.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 9/13/2011 1:24 PM, buRford wrote:
> >> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> >> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah,
> >> blah, blah.
> >> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> >> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> >> Obviously, Brady's great,&  they have a great O design, but the rest,
> >> outside of a few
> >> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> >> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah,
> >> blah, blah.
>
> >> I just laugh at it.
>
> >> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> >> Gotta go... there's a rerun of "Hillbilly Handfishing."
>
> > Yeah, it's only OK when the media is running of at the mouth about the
> > jets.  I get it.
>
> > How long has it been since the jets won anything?
>
> Actually, since Sunday night.

He said "won" not "gifted".


== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 4:10 pm
From: MuahMan


On Sep 13, 6:40 pm, Señor Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
wrote:
> On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> > The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> > Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> > The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> > great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > I just laugh at it.
>
> > Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> It would be revealing to know how you define greatness.  Apparently
> the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
> most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
> doesn't impress you.  So what does impress you?  Are you watching the
> same sport I'm watching?
>
An obese coach that runs his mouth impresses Jet fans.


== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 4:23 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT), Se�or Patriots <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 13, 12:24�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
>> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
>> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
>> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
>> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> I just laugh at it.
>>
>> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>>
>>
>It would be revealing to know how you define greatness. Apparently
>the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
>most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
>doesn't impress you. So what does impress you? Are you watching the
>same sport I'm watching?

If you noticed, I was speaking of the Media, and it's annual coronation of the Pats.
And my greatness comment, has to do with the Media, not the Pats.
It used to be that you had to do something of notoriety, to get Media attention.
Now, the airwaves & ether are filled with spin & PR... hence my greatness diluted comment.
I respect the opinions of fans, much more than the so-called experts (pundits) that fill
the Media, whether sports or politics.

>
>If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
>then I can agree with that sentiment. I agree 100%. It's an
>embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
>all of these guys and teams. It's not real life. It's a game.
>
>In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
>and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
>the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
>assume). I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
>category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
>overall record and set all those NFL records. So, I have to say that
>if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
>Foxboro.

Everyone has an opinion... I'm sure yours isn't biased ;)


== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 4:48 pm
From: MZ


On Sep 13, 7:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT), Se or Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> >> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> >> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> >> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> >> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> >> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> >> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> >> I just laugh at it.
>
> >> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> >It would be revealing to know how you define greatness.  Apparently
> >the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
> >most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
> >doesn't impress you.  So what does impress you?  Are you watching the
> >same sport I'm watching?
>
> If you noticed, I was speaking of the Media, and it's annual coronation of the Pats.
> And my greatness comment, has to do with the Media, not the Pats.
> It used to be that you had to do something of notoriety, to get Media attention.
> Now, the airwaves & ether are filled with spin & PR... hence my greatness diluted comment.
> I respect the opinions of fans, much more than the so-called experts (pundits) that fill
> the Media, whether sports or politics.
>
>
>
> >If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
> >then I can agree with that sentiment.  I agree 100%.  It's an
> >embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
> >all of these guys and teams.  It's not real life.  It's a game.
>
> >In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
> >and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
> >the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
> >assume).  I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
> >category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
> >overall record and set all those NFL records.  So, I have to say that
> >if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
> >Foxboro.
>
> Everyone has an opinion... I'm sure yours isn't biased ;)


Burf, I thought it was a pretty impressive game, so it's not
surprising that everyone is talking about it. There were records
broken (and other records challenged), which makes it pretty
noteworthy. People are talking about the Janikowski FG too, and he's
just a freakin' kicker.

You think this is bad, wait until we start getting teams that go 4-0
and 5-0, and then we'll have to listen to those teams being coroneted
and some 16-0 talk.


== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 5:33 pm
From: Julio Sanchez


On Sep 13, 1:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> I just laugh at it.
>
> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> Gotta go... there's a rerun of "Hillbilly Handfishing."

The stats at football outsiders show them pretty much the same as last
year,
which is how they look. Maybe the defensive front is better but the
backfield
may be worse. They gave up 400+ yards to CHAD HENNE? Doesn't anyone
remember how bad he's been the last couple of years? The Pats have
a wonderful candy-coated offense and they'll win a lot of games, but
good
defensive teams like the Jets or Ravens will take them apart in the
playoffs
unless the Pats develop a genuine running game (and figure out a way
to
stop the 400+ passing days). They're kind of like Atlanta in baseball,
or at least the way they were in the 90's.

And I'm a Pats fan!

Julio

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 6:45 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:48:23 -0700 (PDT), MZ <forums@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:

>On Sep 13, 7:23�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT), Se or Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> >> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
>> >> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
>> >> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
>> >> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> >> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
>> >> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> >> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> >> I just laugh at it.
>>
>> >> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>>
>> >It would be revealing to know how you define greatness. �Apparently
>> >the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
>> >most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
>> >doesn't impress you. �So what does impress you? �Are you watching the
>> >same sport I'm watching?
>>
>> If you noticed, I was speaking of the Media, and it's annual coronation of the Pats.
>> And my greatness comment, has to do with the Media, not the Pats.
>> It used to be that you had to do something of notoriety, to get Media attention.
>> Now, the airwaves & ether are filled with spin & PR... hence my greatness diluted comment.
>> I respect the opinions of fans, much more than the so-called experts (pundits) that fill
>> the Media, whether sports or politics.
>>
>>
>>
>> >If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
>> >then I can agree with that sentiment. �I agree 100%. �It's an
>> >embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
>> >all of these guys and teams. �It's not real life. �It's a game.
>>
>> >In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
>> >and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
>> >the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
>> >assume). �I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
>> >category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
>> >overall record and set all those NFL records. �So, I have to say that
>> >if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
>> >Foxboro.
>>
>> Everyone has an opinion... I'm sure yours isn't biased ;)
>
>
>Burf, I thought it was a pretty impressive game, so it's not
>surprising that everyone is talking about it. There were records
>broken (and other records challenged), which makes it pretty
>noteworthy. People are talking about the Janikowski FG too, and he's
>just a freakin' kicker.
>
>You think this is bad, wait until we start getting teams that go 4-0
>and 5-0, and then we'll have to listen to those teams being coroneted
>and some 16-0 talk.

Hey Mark... how's it been?

I'm wasn't speaking specifically of after the game, just in general.
And it's not about the respect I have for the Pats, Brady, or BB... it really IS about the
Media myth. I used to work in Media, & got out because of what it was becoming.

I'd say the same thing about the Jets *vaunted* defense... another myth.
It's been very good since Rex got here, but there are some weaknesses that haven't been
addressed. I'm happy with it, but I think the Media exaggerates its greatness.
And don't get me started on our resident genius OC.
The other day, on our local TV sports network (SNY), they did a little profile on him, and
called him an O genius Svengali. I've been spitting up since ;)


== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 6:49 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:33:36 -0700 (PDT), Julio Sanchez <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sep 13, 1:24�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
>> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
>> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
>> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
>> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>>
>> I just laugh at it.
>>
>> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>>
>> Gotta go... there's a rerun of "Hillbilly Handfishing."
>
>The stats at football outsiders show them pretty much the same as last
>year,
>which is how they look. Maybe the defensive front is better but the
>backfield
>may be worse. They gave up 400+ yards to CHAD HENNE? Doesn't anyone
>remember how bad he's been the last couple of years? The Pats have
>a wonderful candy-coated offense and they'll win a lot of games, but
>good
>defensive teams like the Jets or Ravens will take them apart in the
>playoffs
>unless the Pats develop a genuine running game (and figure out a way
>to
>stop the 400+ passing days). They're kind of like Atlanta in baseball,
>or at least the way they were in the 90's.
>
>And I'm a Pats fan!
>
>Julio


They have a really aggressive offensive philosophy, which I'd love the Jets to emulate.
And it just keeps going, no matter what players they have... even when Brady was injured.

But the Media myth just gets old, and that's what the point of my post was.


== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 7:45 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Sep 13, 7:33 pm, Julio Sanchez <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> may be worse. They gave up 400+ yards to CHAD HENNE? Doesn't anyone
> remember how bad he's been the last couple of years?
Is the Miami offense this year or the last couple of years? Jeezuz,
somebody wake me up, I thought that was an aggressive passing offense
last night that didn't look like two years ago at all.

>The Pats have
> a wonderful candy-coated offense and they'll win a lot of games, but
> good
> defensive teams like the Jets or Ravens will take them apart in the
> playoffs
> unless the Pats develop a genuine running game (and figure out a way
> to
> stop the 400+ passing days). They're kind of like Atlanta in baseball,
> or at least the way they were in the 90's.
>
> And I'm a Pats fan!
>
> Julio

What is candy coated? Does that even mean anything?


== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 7:57 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Julio Sanchez" <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1f37f2c-0c5e-453b-9a95-20b5eba7c9cb@u19g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 13, 1:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah,
> blah, blah.
> Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest,
> outside of a few
> great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah,
> blah.
>
> I just laugh at it.
>
> Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> Gotta go... there's a rerun of "Hillbilly Handfishing."

The stats at football outsiders show them pretty much the same as last
year,
which is how they look. Maybe the defensive front is better but the
backfield
may be worse. They gave up 400+ yards to CHAD HENNE? Doesn't anyone
remember how bad he's been the last couple of years? The Pats have
a wonderful candy-coated offense and they'll win a lot of games, but
good
defensive teams like the Jets or Ravens will take them apart in the
playoffs
unless the Pats develop a genuine running game (and figure out a way
to
stop the 400+ passing days). They're kind of like Atlanta in baseball,
or at least the way they were in the 90's.

And I'm a Pats fan!

Julio


bullshit you are a Pats fanwhat is it about trolling that makes you a liar.


== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 8:08 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Sep 13, 8:49 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>
> They have a really aggressive offensive philosophy, which I'd love the Jets to emulate.
> And it just keeps going, no matter what players they have... even when Brady was injured.
>
> But the Media myth just gets old, and that's what the point of my post was.

I'm afraid that the NFL is spin central, and survives and thrives on
many myths of its own making. Can you imagine the myths that would be
created if the Jets managed to win three SBs in four years, and kept
the QB/Coach duo together for ten more years?

I love the myth of Joe Montana but I hated seeing his face in
commercials back then. I hated all the Joe talk. I hated the fact
that he was successful enough to rate the attention while my guys got
nothing. It's not an equal opportunity world when it comes to the
media. They want to go with the winners. It's inescapable.

It's possible that Rex has forced his way into the inner circles of
the NFL Myth by just blabbing about what he's going to do. That marks
a whole new way of creating myth power. I've never seen a team get so
many headlines based upon what they say. When you look at the guy's
body of work it's good, but it's in no way worthy of all the attention
he gets. How long can that play with no promised results?


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 3:39 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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X-No-Archive: Yes

> > "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:bed6c1ef-5ade-40a0-8593-b7cf9f72adcf@d18g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 12, 2:14 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Michael" wrote in message
>
> > >news:790acc6e-6b6b-4880-84cf-795a35d599a6@j19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > 1. It took the Jets three quarters to figure out the protection for
> > > Sanchez. You could not get an idea early on of the potential that the
> > > jets pass catchers give them. Rob Ryan really did a nice job putting
> > > pressure on Sanchez. It took schotty 40 minutes to get ahead of it.
>
> > > I wonder if it's more the defense wearing down then any genius game
> > > changes? Both sides were sucking wind as I saw it.
>
> > > -- JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
>
> > the jets started playing with two te's on the right side. when they
> > did not have two te's they had help blocking on that side from the
> > backfield. they also rolled away from pressure coming from the left
> > side while they had additional help on the right. depending on the
> > defensive allignment, they also started getting the rb's in the right
> > places at the right times for pressure that was coming up the *a*
> > gap. the cowboys were run blitzing most of the time. they did not
> > have to overload blitz the right side of the jets line as hunter was
> > out-manned. the jets defense was a lot more active showing different
> > looks. rob ryan was in what looked to be a perpetual run blitz the
> > whole game. pressure on the edges came from man on man missmatch. i
> > was at the game and did not hear any of the TV commentary... they will
> > re-play it on the NFL network tomorrow. i am interested to see if the
> > "commentators" saw what I did.
>
> > for the most part, the cowboys got pressure because they have good
> > guys up front. the rest came from the run blitz.
>
> > ______________________________________________________
> > far more impotant..the Jets went to spreads, even put a TE out in the
> > spread...that forced D to defend that set and took away some of the
> > inside
> > blitzing and pressure...why it took so freakin long to do that I don't
> > know.
> > I'm imagining Moore had some "consulting" to do at half time. The O
> > looks
> > very reactionary at times and stuck in some other ways. It's not just
> > "let's try something different" what you try has to have an effect and
> > stop
> > something the D is doing....with all that early on inside rush the first
> > thing to do would be to spread the field and lessen the defenders in the
> > box
> > or inside. It took them a long time to do that and when they did, it
> > worked.
>
> i recommend that game to any fan who says "adjustments are over
> rated". what i would like to know... if they saw it in the third
> qtr why did they not see it in the first half ??? it takes that long
> to grow a football brain ??? heck, even the fans saw it. even mangini
> ran somthing like that two te set against a run blitz. did tom moore
> throw up his hands and phone them on the sidelines or somthing ???
> what i thought was sort of funny was michael kay's commentary about
> the game on espn today. he was saying stuff like "the jets had no
> idea where the pressure would come from" as if the cowboys were doing
> all sorts of exotic stuff. they moved ware around a bit, but for the
> most part it was a perpetual run blitz.it the jets defense was a lot
> more "varied" than the cowboys defense was. the jets just made them
> look good for 40 minutes. as soon as they added another bubble along
> the line, the pressure deflated.
>
> It does not take that long...it is an issue if a person calling the O is
> committed to a plan or a scheme...I'm guessing, totally guessing when Rex
> said it is not working..Moore had some consulting to do...and it got done.
> We shall see over time, but I predict we will sense some tension and
> Schott
> will be less and less happy and Moore will do more and more.

Unless Moore is saying things that Schott had been saying. You could
of course be right & Schott is an empty shirt but I think that would
have churned up with Callahan & Schott already unless of course he is
like I worry the same. Like always it is a guess at best. That
Sanchez verbalized he wanted to fight Rex tells you that their is some
underlying tension.

I don't really care except they need to move the ball & Sanchez needs
to keep playing better.
___________________________________________________________________________

Look..did the Colts ever look like the Jets O????? Not just who the QB
was..but the entire approach? No. They did not bring in Moore to rubber
stamp what Schott is saying. They got him because they have concerns about
the O...to me that would extend all the way down the chain. It is not
unusual for an O line coach to side with the OC, that is how it probably
should be. And it is not unusual for an O line coach to defend what is
going on especially if he feels that some of the "groceries" he has to cook
with are not up to standard. They become very defensive...this is a HUGE
ego game all around. And it is also a game where they pick up on what
people want to hear. It is not unusual for a HC or OC to tell someone it is
his job to "get them ready"..."coach them" etc. A lot of that stuff
exists. More than a couple of good coaches have gotten dumped because the
lesser talent they had to work with did not produce...and somebody kept
hyping that lesser talent to cover their asses about the choice of it. All
of this is conjecture and so is everything else we say in the group. Moore
came in for a reason...and it was not because the O looked good. I also
wonder what Sanchez is like to work with? Is he emotional, does Schott take
care of him and deal with him that way...that could be why it looks to some
like Sanchez is so linked to Schott...if Schott defends Sanchez all the time
it could also be his defending offensive decisions..could be lots of
things...but no matter what...the offense does not look right, it is a
messed up scheme. Just not having any perimeter attack is weird and a lot
of it comes back to O line.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 3:43 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Ritchie" <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b7119d21-c691-4cce-9683-6b2f8aa076eb@w21g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> Basically my thoughts on the game are that..... The Jets were lucky to
> come away with a win. Dallas outplayed them in almost every aspect and
> deserved to win more than the Jets did. Everyone is ranting about the
> blocked punt and if you look at the replay it was more of a defensive
> screw up than a great play by McKnight.

AMEN ! Especially the blocked punt. Dallas LOST the game much more than
the Jets won it. But...everything we're talking about comes back to one
thing. To me, there is a serious weakness on the O line...bit time. All
the problems point in that direction. You simply can not hold Sanchez' feet
to the fire on any of this from Sunday night...he's lucky he didn't go to
the hospital and proved he is damn tough to come back and still be able to
play after the first two thirds of the game.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 3:51 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6b6bb8bc-77eb-4eea-89d2-98b938d20e55@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, September 12, 2011 11:28:58 PM UTC-4, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> In article <YL-dnSu-4bK88fPT...@giganews.com>,
>> "Papa Carl"
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Johnny Morongo" <Mor...@Burf.com> wrote in message
>> > news:j4lfu7$tbi$1@dont-email.me...
>> > > On 9/12/2011 9:47 AM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>> > >> In article<1Y-dnekeqbxkHfDT...@giganews.com>,
>> > >> "Papa Carl"
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> "Percy Flage"
>> wrote in message
>> > >>> news:9d5dghF19lU1@mid.individual.net...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> ... phew!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Great come from behind win. Of course, we shouldn't have been that
>> > >>>> far
>> > >>>> behind, but well played all round, O, D, ST and Crowd!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Great win.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> Percy Flage
>> > >>>> "Life is too short to have to explain everyday."
>> > >>>
>> > >>> They took way to long to adjust to the Dallas D scheme...spread it
>> > >>> out...make them cover, So now I'll blame Moore for not consulting
>> > >>> quick
>> > >>> enough on that.
>> > >>
>> > >> Frankly, I was so upset, I turned off the game.
>> > >>
>> > >> How can a knowledgable Jet fan think this was a great win? We played
>> > >> a
>> > >> team with a very inexperienced OL and weak CB due to injury.
>> > >>
>> > >> Yet, for most of the game, our experienced OL could not sustain a
>> > >> running game or great protection, our CB got beaten for too many
>> > >> long
>> > >> plays (and had balls taken away from them), their offense scored too
>> > >> many points, our WR had hard times getting separation, and in spite
>> > >> of
>> > >> having almost all of six months to get ready, our team looked like
>> > >> the
>> > >> one unprepared.
>> > >>
>> > >> Counting on blocked punts and mistakes by opposing QB's is not a
>> > >> scheme
>> > >> to get a team to the post season.
>> > >>
>> > >> Shott should be fired. The OL has to be fixed. Shonn has to be in
>> > >> there
>> > >> and and they cannot go away from the run after he gains 5 yards.
>> > >> They
>> > >> cannot afford pass plays for little or no gain.
>> > >>
>> > >> Yuck!!!
>> > >>
>> > >> Harlna
>> > >
>> > > HARLNA, huh? You are really loosing it, old man! I'll beg to differ
>> > > with
>> > > you. It was a great WIN, if not a great game.
>> >
>> > I'll go with the SOJ's would not have won that game...never.
>>
>> But the Jets will not win a SB with a performance like that most weeks.
>
>
>
>> Brady and Company showed tonight how Champions are supposed to play with
>> a season to prepare against a weaker team.
>
> Well, their offense did.
>
> Chad Henne had 475 yards against their defense. Chad Henne.

But maybe you can make a good argument that this is what football is
becoming. The rules are changed to make this stuff happen, and it is where
the PR selling of the league wants it to go perhaps...not much defense but
always enough offense to win it. If you keep scoring at will the toughness
of the D almost becomes irrelevant.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 8:28 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 9/13/2011 3:51 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Grinch"<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:6b6bb8bc-77eb-4eea-89d2-98b938d20e55@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
>> On Monday, September 12, 2011 11:28:58 PM UTC-4, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>> In article<YL-dnSu-4bK88fPT...@giganews.com>,
>>> "Papa Carl"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Johnny Morongo"<Mor...@Burf.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:j4lfu7$tbi$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 9/12/2011 9:47 AM, Harlan Lachman wrote:
>>>>>> In article<1Y-dnekeqbxkHfDT...@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> "Papa Carl"
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Percy Flage"
>>> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:9d5dghF19lU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... phew!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great come from behind win. Of course, we shouldn't have been that
>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>> behind, but well played all round, O, D, ST and Crowd!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great win.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Percy Flage
>>>>>>>> "Life is too short to have to explain everyday."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They took way to long to adjust to the Dallas D scheme...spread it
>>>>>>> out...make them cover, So now I'll blame Moore for not consulting
>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>> enough on that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frankly, I was so upset, I turned off the game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can a knowledgable Jet fan think this was a great win? We played
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> team with a very inexperienced OL and weak CB due to injury.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet, for most of the game, our experienced OL could not sustain a
>>>>>> running game or great protection, our CB got beaten for too many
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> plays (and had balls taken away from them), their offense scored too
>>>>>> many points, our WR had hard times getting separation, and in spite
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> having almost all of six months to get ready, our team looked like
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> one unprepared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Counting on blocked punts and mistakes by opposing QB's is not a
>>>>>> scheme
>>>>>> to get a team to the post season.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shott should be fired. The OL has to be fixed. Shonn has to be in
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> and and they cannot go away from the run after he gains 5 yards.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> cannot afford pass plays for little or no gain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuck!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harlna
>>>>>
>>>>> HARLNA, huh? You are really loosing it, old man! I'll beg to differ
>>>>> with
>>>>> you. It was a great WIN, if not a great game.
>>>>
>>>> I'll go with the SOJ's would not have won that game...never.
>>>
>>> But the Jets will not win a SB with a performance like that most weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Brady and Company showed tonight how Champions are supposed to play with
>>> a season to prepare against a weaker team.
>>
>> Well, their offense did.
>>
>> Chad Henne had 475 yards against their defense. Chad Henne.
>
> But maybe you can make a good argument that this is what football is
> becoming. The rules are changed to make this stuff happen, and it is where
> the PR selling of the league wants it to go perhaps...not much defense but
> always enough offense to win it. If you keep scoring at will the toughness
> of the D almost becomes irrelevant.
>

And by the way, it seems to me that there was significantly more contact
between the DBs and WRs than is usually allowed, not that I mind. Revis
and Cro were in hand to hand combat all night. Plax was interfered with
at least once and there was an absolute dearth of flags. What gives?
VERY unusual to go the whole game with not one PI on either side.


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 3:53 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Grinch" <oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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On Monday, September 12, 2011 3:05:50 AM UTC-4, Tutor wrote:
> On Sep 11, 10:39 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > Did our main running back have in the first half versus the old guy?
> >
> > Tell me how Sanchez is responsible for that?
> >
> > harlan
>
> No one wants to see more Grrene than I.. but LT played very well
> tonight and if you watch closely, Greene is close to useless in pass
> protection where LT does very well. 5 really think this plays a
> factor in why we see more LT thn Greene. Really... next week watch
> that missing elemnt of Greene's game. It is noticeable.

Yeah. Rex has been watching Greene in practice for three years now and knows
just what he can and can't do. If Rex wanted Greene to be Mr Big in a
ground and pound running game, Greene would be. There's no sign yet of Rex
wanting it yet.

Looks to me like Rex and Tanny have consciously made the basic decision to
reduce the running game for the second year in a row. First they had the
three-headed monster that dominated the league. Then they let Jones and his
1,400 yards go without replacement, content to swap Leon for LT. Two heads.
This year they stand pat as the LT gets another year past his prime and the
OL degrades. There's a pattern here.

They have to be thinking the improved passing game will make up the
difference. Is Plaxico up for that?
___________________________________________________________________________________
Excellent observation...and I completely agree...the entire complexion of
what is going on has changed dramatically. Wow...we agree again.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 6:36 pm
From: Grinch


On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:53:22 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Grinch" <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:bfe5b33c-15a4-49c5-aa3f-f72dfa766d2b@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, September 12, 2011 3:05:50 AM UTC-4, Tutor wrote:
> > On Sep 11, 10:39 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> > > Did our main running back have in the first half versus the old guy?
> > >
> > > Tell me how Sanchez is responsible for that?
> > >
> > > harlan
> >
> > No one wants to see more Grrene than I.. but LT played very well
> > tonight and if you watch closely, Greene is close to useless in pass
> > protection where LT does very well. 5 really think this plays a
> > factor in why we see more LT thn Greene. Really... next week watch
> > that missing elemnt of Greene's game. It is noticeable.
>
> Yeah. Rex has been watching Greene in practice for three years now and knows
> just what he can and can't do. If Rex wanted Greene to be Mr Big in a
> ground and pound running game, Greene would be. There's no sign yet of Rex
> wanting it yet.
>
> Looks to me like Rex and Tanny have consciously made the basic decision to
> reduce the running game for the second year in a row. First they had the
> three-headed monster that dominated the league. Then they let Jones and his
> 1,400 yards go without replacement, content to swap Leon for LT. Two heads.
> This year they stand pat as the LT gets another year past his prime and the
> OL degrades. There's a pattern here.
>
> They have to be thinking the improved passing game will make up the
> difference. Is Plaxico up for that?
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> Excellent observation...and I completely agree...the entire complexion of
> what is going on has changed dramatically. Wow...we agree again.

One of us has been replaced by a pod.

I'm looking ... at ... you.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 3:55 pm
From: "WaterBoy"


This dude is pretty funny. I was checking out some of his clips and couldn't
help but laugh at most of them... This is one from the playoff loss to the
JETS...

http://www.youtube.com/user/Fitzy01821#p/u/9/zRcLe1S1Fyc

WaterBoy

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 4:52 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Sep 13, 9:35 am, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>. It says that his plan was to use the taser
Or does it say he planned to be ready to use it?

What you said is not evidence in a court of law. Not even close. You
are just flapping your gums.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 8:26 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:a12baa4f-eda5-47fa-96a8-34004926c9f2@b20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 13, 9:35 am, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>. It says that his plan was to use the taser
Or does it say he planned to be ready to use it?

What you said is not evidence in a court of law. Not even close. You
are just flapping your gums.

Senor...are you one of those idiots who would bring a gun into a crowded
night club? The taser is against the law...period. He will get some prison
time.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 4:56 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Sep 12, 9:25 pm, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>    Brady 1000 yards. What gets me is that Sanchez will put up a 13-28 for
> 189 against them.
>

Matchups. Different day, different level of performance.

There must be some unwritten rules of the NFL and one of them I would
nominate is that what Team A does to Team B is no indication of how
Team C will handle Team B.

OK, sometimes there may be general conclusions, but to me the matchups
mean everything, and that is what changes the outcomes to something
surprising. I'd add coaching and game planning to the matchups thing
too.

Certainly your game plan for the 45-3 game was very different from the
playoff game too, so even between two teams it's not possible to know
the outcomes in advance with enough certainty to bet your house.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 5:39 pm
From: MZ


On Sep 13, 5:27 pm, Grinch <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> The Jets are one of the few teams in the pack at the front of the hunt this year. (Vegas doesn't say that lightly!)  
>
> They've beaten the Pats 2 of the last 3, so why be overimpresssed with the Pats? The Pats D was bad last year and looks bad this year -- 475 yards to Chad Henne.

How many of those yards and points were scored during garbage time?
Most pundits who follow the team closely were pretty encouraged by
what the D showed last night.


> Pittsburgh just got slaughtered. Atlanta just got stomped on. Who's giving up on them?  *No* team is so good it isn't going to take its lumps this year.

I wouldn't say "no team". There have been plenty of years where elite
teams don't take any lumps. I think getting clobbered in week 1 is
better than getting clobbered in week 10, from a predictions
standpoint, but getting clobbered still should raise a few questions.


> So what's not to be enthused about a team that is one of the short-list favorites for the big prize, is undefeated, and just came from 14 behind for a win?  That it's all not impressive enough?
>
> You know, winning unimpresssively when you play less than your best is a *good* sign, not a bad one.

This is definitely true.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 7:17 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 13, 6:23 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:f9bcc303-356c-47d8-85a8-da2bd63539f4@x21g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 13, 10:15 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 13, 8:34 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 12, 5:32 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 12, 4:59 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > > > > Hunter did not appear to be as good as I expected as a pass
> > > > > > blocker.
> > > > > > Part of that could be that he was going agaisnt an outstanding
> > > > > > pass
> > > > > > rusher.
>
> > > > > > If things continue to look that badly with Hunter at RT, they
> > > > > > coudl
> > > > > > try...
>
> > > > > > Ducasse at LG and Slauson at RT.
>
> > > > > The Queen Mary could turn faster than Slausson.
>
> > > > > > Ducasse looked a lot better at the G position and Slauson has
> > > > > > played
> > > > > > in every single position along the line...
>
> > > > > > I know at least Slauson can do the job at RT much better than
> > > > > > Hunter.
>
> > > > > Why as he can't move side to side?
>
> > > > > > Slauson would also be a much better run blocking RT. The question
> > > > > > is,
> > > > > > can Ducasse play G and not get Sanchez killed ???
>
> > > > > Slausson looked like crap early on last year. He got up to mediocre.
>
> > > > > > May be try that guy they got from GB at LG and stick Slason at RT.
> > > > > > They have to figure somthing out as Hunter does not appear to be
> > > > > > up to
> > > > > > it.
>
> > > > > ???
>
> > > > > Hunter played vs a guy that had almost 16 sacks last year. Take a
> > > > > deep breath.
>
> > > > slauson has move leverage than hunter. hunter also had his problems
> > > > in the preseason. again... i'm not sure about hunter, but he has not
> > > > been looking good. i thought he was going to be at least a great pass
> > > > blocker after the chicago game last season when he shut down peppers.
> > > > i think i was in error. also... slauson is not twinkle toes, but you
> > > > are over stating his slow feet. hunter is hopeless as a run blocker.
> > > > the jets could not run to the outside of the left due to brick. not
> > > > they cant run outside to the right either. it is a serious problem
>
> > > Slaussson plays guard he is not usually asked to go backwards. As for
> > > his feet he ran into the RB as often as he got to his blocking
> > > assignment when asked to pull last year . He is OK if Hunter plays at
> > > that level we will be OK.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Slason played guard, tackle and center while he was a husker. i'm
> > sure he can take a step backwards and hold his arms out.
>
> Then why do you see few go from guard to tackle?  Woody was a rarity.
>
> > i am not
> > saying that slauson is a better tackle than guard. not at all. i am
> > suggesting a possible emergency measure. my worry is that the jets
> > will not be able to run outside on the right side now with hunter
> > there. they already avoid going outside the left tackle because of
> > brick's poor run blocking. consider what a defense will do vs the
> > jets if they are not able to run outside either tackle now.
>
> We seemed to pop it more outside with Washington & Jones.  Faneca??
> Schott calling different plays???
>
> LT had some early success last year.
>
> Maybe Rob Ryan just had a good game plan and he does have some
> players.
>
> They were blitzing inside too...so the normal reaction would have been to
> hit the perimeter..I'm guessing it is a problem with getting someone out
> there...even from all the discussion in here...they don't have that person.
> Look at all the teams who use even a center who moves to the outside.  All
> the good perimeter teams have good O lineman...we're discussing if they can
> pass block let alone pull and lead on the perimeter..that is why this all
> seems really serious to me.  I have NO clue how you fix that problem.  There
> is no scheme to deal with it, you simply need good O lineman...and Mangold
> and Brick are it I think.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

with the line that included brick, faneca, mangold, moore, d. woody...

the big play was:

moore pushes the DT in front of him forward in no frills fassion,
mangold pushes his guy to his left, faneca pulls to his right and
clears the backer, woody pushes the defensive end or olb to his right
and ties him up. thomas jones goes through the moore hole either in
the *a* or *b* gap and to the right where faneca has cut of the lb.
they ran that or a variation of that a dozen times a game.

the problem now...

no faneca to pull and no d. woody to muscle up the end and seal the
inside lane.

you can have one "no frills" hole blaster at the G spot so long as
your other G can do other things. It is also OK if you have a very
good pass blocking LT who does not run block so well if the RT is able
to sustain your outside run on his side. with the current jets line,
slauson and moore are both no frills straight ahead run blockers that
dont pull and hunter is not a good run blocking RT. it looks like it
adds up to a problem. they will have to be "air jets" this year.
set up the inside run with the pass. probably the only hope with this
current group to run an offense that produces from game to game. it
is going to be a mess when they play teams with very good db's

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 8:13 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 9/13/2011 10:40 AM, John C TX wrote:
> On Sep 13, 12:13 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:29:08 -0700 (PDT), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 13, 7:21 am, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:23:37 -0700 (PDT), John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sep 12, 6:24 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:23:09 +0100, Percy Flage<percy.flage_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 12/09/2011 20:23, graybeard wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:29:34 -0700 (PDT), CaptMyng<dfu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Why is every run "up the gut".
>>>>>>>>> Do the Jet's even have a sweep or a pitch out in their playbook?
>>
>>>>>>>> I was wondering exactly the same thing. I don't recall seeing a wide
>>>>>>>> running play the entire game. Possibly because Ware and Spencer were
>>>>>>>> playing in the Jets' backfield all night, the coaching staff did not
>>>>>>>> think a wide run would have time to develop before being stopped for a
>>>>>>>> loss. Or maybe, since some of the Jets OL personnel seemed to be unable
>>>>>>>> to block guys who were standing right in front of them, the coaches did
>>>>>>>> not trust them to be able to pull out and block for a RB in space.
>>
>>>>>>> Well, at least they figured this out *prior* to the game. That's a step
>>>>>>> in the right direction. Tom Moore's influence?
>>
>>>>>> I think I saw Moore's influence in the 2nd half, when they started spreading out
>>>>>> Cumberland& Keller, making Ware drop into coverage-mode.
>>>>>> We've had similar problems in the past, and this adjustment was never made before (umm,
>>>>>> usually no adjustments are made on O).
>>>>>> I'd bet that was Moore.
>>
>>>>> Schott never ran a 2 TE set very often until halfway through year one
>>>>> of Rexso that may be a fair conclusion.
>>
>>>>> Maybe or maybe Rex trusts Moore more than Schott, maybe for good
>>>>> reason, or maybe& they have a TE in Cumberland they didnt have in
>>>>> Hunter, Hartsock, etc. when Rex changed the offense and jammed up the
>>>>> line.
>>
>>>> I don't think it has as much to do with what players we have, as just a totally different
>>>> philosophy of offense.
>>>> Schott has his scheme, and doesn't often make adjustments. This was an adjustment, to
>>>> force the D out of what it wanted to do. Which seems to me, was very out of Schott's
>>>> character. Either someone else made the suggestion to do it, or someone else is rubbing
>>>> off on Schott.
>>>> Either way, it was a good sign.
>>
>>>> The extent of how Schott tries to force a D alignment, was normally a trick-play, or the
>>>> Seminole (Wildcat).
>>>> There wasn't much of that Sunday nite... so there's hope.
>>
>>> I think it as much about Sanchez as it is about Schott.
>>
>> That's where we disagree. Sanchez has come up big, in crucial situations, often enough...
>> and he's in year three. It's the coaching, and management priorities. They started
>> correctly, drafting Brick& Mangold, then went the cheap route, picking up castoffs&
>> projects.
>
> Listen he has the intangible& revels in being the man which is good
> and he has stepped up. He has also made some bonehead moves& missed
> wide open players. I hope it is youth.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Because of his height I would like to see them move pocket from time
>>> to time which Schott used to do with both Pennington& Clemens.
>>> Hopefully the real value in Moore is that Ryan may loosen up. If it
>>> comes out later that Ryan didn't like Schott& carried him for years
>>> then shame on him.
>>
>> Moving Sanchez more, is something all of us would like to see, and remain puzzled why it
>> hasn't happened. Also, why not do no-huddle to begin the game, since that's when Sanchez
>> & the O is at its best.

I don't get it either. And both moving him in a no-huddle almost
certainly be a cool thing to do, and to do it on a opening offensive
possession. Fuck this shit of always going for the defense to open the
game with. Have some faith in the offense too. Man up and change up,
Rex. Let the O set the tone.

Or not.

> I have my theories& a certain fat guy is involved. Schott moved
> Pennington& even Clemens around. As for the no huddle I am not sure
> but maybe they want to keep him calm. Cumberland is the key to all of
> this.

I don't know that I would say that Cumberland was the key to ALL OF
THIS, but you hit on one big key - viable two pass catching TE sets.
Cumberland HAS to become a presence. Look at the TEs in NE, for
example. Very effective weapons for Brady.

We still need a Welker. Could McKnight=Woodhead? Ground and pound this!

And I think, unlike Papa, that there were more than a few perimeter
plays that worked, especially from LT, even though perimeter passes to
Mason didn't always get completed.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 13 2011 8:31 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Johnny Morongo" <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
news:j4p65h$5t9$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/13/2011 10:40 AM, John C TX wrote:
>> On Sep 13, 12:13 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:29:08 -0700 (PDT), John C
>>> TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 7:21 am, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:23:37 -0700 (PDT), John C
>>>>> TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 12, 6:24 pm, buRford<buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:23:09 +0100, Percy
>>>>>>> Flage<percy.flage_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2011 20:23, graybeard wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:29:34 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>> CaptMyng<dfu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why is every run "up the gut".
>>>>>>>>>> Do the Jet's even have a sweep or a pitch out in their playbook?
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering exactly the same thing. I don't recall seeing a
>>>>>>>>> wide
>>>>>>>>> running play the entire game. Possibly because Ware and Spencer
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> playing in the Jets' backfield all night, the coaching staff did
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> think a wide run would have time to develop before being stopped
>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>> loss. Or maybe, since some of the Jets OL personnel seemed to be
>>>>>>>>> unable
>>>>>>>>> to block guys who were standing right in front of them, the
>>>>>>>>> coaches did
>>>>>>>>> not trust them to be able to pull out and block for a RB in space.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, at least they figured this out *prior* to the game. That's a
>>>>>>>> step
>>>>>>>> in the right direction. Tom Moore's influence?
>>>
>>>>>>> I think I saw Moore's influence in the 2nd half, when they started
>>>>>>> spreading out
>>>>>>> Cumberland& Keller, making Ware drop into coverage-mode.
>>>>>>> We've had similar problems in the past, and this adjustment was
>>>>>>> never made before (umm,
>>>>>>> usually no adjustments are made on O).
>>>>>>> I'd bet that was Moore.
>>>
>>>>>> Schott never ran a 2 TE set very often until halfway through year one
>>>>>> of Rexso that may be a fair conclusion.
>>>
>>>>>> Maybe or maybe Rex trusts Moore more than Schott, maybe for good
>>>>>> reason, or maybe& they have a TE in Cumberland they didnt have in
>>>>>> Hunter, Hartsock, etc. when Rex changed the offense and jammed up the
>>>>>> line.
>>>
>>>>> I don't think it has as much to do with what players we have, as just
>>>>> a totally different
>>>>> philosophy of offense.
>>>>> Schott has his scheme, and doesn't often make adjustments. This was an
>>>>> adjustment, to
>>>>> force the D out of what it wanted to do. Which seems to me, was very
>>>>> out of Schott's
>>>>> character. Either someone else made the suggestion to do it, or
>>>>> someone else is rubbing
>>>>> off on Schott.
>>>>> Either way, it was a good sign.
>>>
>>>>> The extent of how Schott tries to force a D alignment, was normally a
>>>>> trick-play, or the
>>>>> Seminole (Wildcat).
>>>>> There wasn't much of that Sunday nite... so there's hope.
>>>
>>>> I think it as much about Sanchez as it is about Schott.
>>>
>>> That's where we disagree. Sanchez has come up big, in crucial
>>> situations, often enough...
>>> and he's in year three. It's the coaching, and management priorities.
>>> They started
>>> correctly, drafting Brick& Mangold, then went the cheap route, picking
>>> up castoffs&
>>> projects.
>>
>> Listen he has the intangible& revels in being the man which is good
>> and he has stepped up. He has also made some bonehead moves& missed
>> wide open players. I hope it is youth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Because of his height I would like to see them move pocket from time
>>>> to time which Schott used to do with both Pennington& Clemens.
>>>> Hopefully the real value in Moore is that Ryan may loosen up. If it
>>>> comes out later that Ryan didn't like Schott& carried him for years
>>>> then shame on him.
>>>
>>> Moving Sanchez more, is something all of us would like to see, and
>>> remain puzzled why it
>>> hasn't happened. Also, why not do no-huddle to begin the game, since
>>> that's when Sanchez
>>> & the O is at its best.
>
> I don't get it either. And both moving him in a no-huddle almost
> certainly be a cool thing to do, and to do it on a opening offensive
> possession. Fuck this shit of always going for the defense to open the
> game with. Have some faith in the offense too. Man up and change up,
> Rex. Let the O set the tone.
>
> Or not.
>
>> I have my theories& a certain fat guy is involved. Schott moved
>> Pennington& even Clemens around. As for the no huddle I am not sure
>> but maybe they want to keep him calm. Cumberland is the key to all of
>> this.
>
> I don't know that I would say that Cumberland was the key to ALL OF THIS,
> but you hit on one big key - viable two pass catching TE sets. Cumberland
> HAS to become a presence. Look at the TEs in NE, for example. Very
> effective weapons for Brady.
>
> We still need a Welker. Could McKnight=Woodhead? Ground and pound this!
>
> And I think, unlike Papa, that there were more than a few perimeter plays
> that worked, especially from LT, even though perimeter passes to Mason
> didn't always get completed.

LT made a couple of things work because he is LT...will that last all
season, I doubt it. The overall perimeter attack is weak and it does not
get set up like it should...which would allow a lot of other stuff to work
better.


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