Saturday, September 17, 2011

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Today's topics:

* RIP... Sam DeLuca - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3a2d09ccef76184b?hl=en
* Heinz Ward ...meet Jarret Johnson - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/542778e0569890c0?hl=en
* Dont forget NFL Network tonight at 9PM EST... Belichick Special - 6 messages,
4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1ffed82ee8bbcb1c?hl=en
* A Woodhead moment that Jets and Patriots fans can savor - 9 messages, 6
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/eeda075f41d10ea7?hl=en
* Sacks: the fault of the OL or QB? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5bb8c30243b5725e?hl=en

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TOPIC: RIP... Sam DeLuca
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3a2d09ccef76184b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 16 2011 6:44 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 9/16/2011 12:31 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo"<Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
> news:j4v6dp$hnt$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/15/2011 10:44 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>> "buRford"<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>> news:msn577hcr67e1ap91rjecnn68jsg5a0p1m@4ax.com...
>>>> Always sad to see a good guy go... lots of memories from when he was
>>>> doing
>>>> *color,* on
>>>> Jets broadcasts. RIP!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> September 15, 2011
>>>> Sam DeLuca, a Former Jet and Broadcaster, Is Dead at 75
>>>> By DANIEL E. SLOTNIK
>>>>
>>>> Sam DeLuca, a scrappy guard for the Jets in the 1960s who became a
>>>> broadcaster after a
>>>> career-ending injury, died Tuesday at his home in Pelham, N.Y. He was
>>>> 75.
>>>>
>>>> The cause was pancreatic cancer, T. J. Reynolds, a family friend, said.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca was drafted by the Giants in 1957 to replace the All-Pro guard
>>>> Bill
>>>> Austin, who
>>>> planned to retire that year. Austin decided to play another season, and
>>>> the Giants sent
>>>> DeLuca to the Canadian Football League, where he played for three years.
>>>>
>>>> He joined the Los Angeles Chargers when the American Football League was
>>>> founded in 1960
>>>> and started on the Chargers' A.F.L. championship team during the 1963-64
>>>> season before
>>>> returning to New York, this time as a Jet.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca, 6 feet 2 inches and 245 pounds, played his first full season
>>>> with
>>>> the team in
>>>> 1964-65. He became a team captain, and during the 1965 and 1966 seasons
>>>> he
>>>> led the
>>>> offensive line that protected a flashy young quarterback named Joe
>>>> Namath.
>>>>
>>>> But in the final preseason game of 1967-68, one season before Namath
>>>> guaranteed and
>>>> delivered a Jets victory over the Baltimore Colts in Super Bowl III,
>>>> DeLuca sustained a
>>>> knee injury that permanently removed him from the line.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca's injury coincided with a strike by the American Federation of
>>>> Television and Radio
>>>> Artists that kept the two usual Jets commentators, the veteran
>>>> broadcaster
>>>> Merle Harmon
>>>> and the Daily News sports columnist Dick Young, off the air for two
>>>> games.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca covered both games alongside Wally Schwartz, WABC's general
>>>> manager, and proved so
>>>> adept that by spring he was hosting pregame and postgame radio shows for
>>>> the Mets. In time
>>>> he became Harmon's regular color commentator on Jets broadcasts and
>>>> worked
>>>> with him until
>>>> 1972, when he moved to NBC. He retired as a sportscaster in 1988.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca said he missed the excitement and glamour of professional
>>>> football,
>>>> but appreciated
>>>> the consolations of his new job.
>>>>
>>>> "There was less pressure," he said in an interview with a WABC Radio fan
>>>> site. "I found
>>>> that I liked it, because I could go out to dinner the night before a
>>>> road
>>>> game and not
>>>> worry about having to play the next day."
>>>>
>>>> Saverio DeLuca was born in Brooklyn on May 2, 1936. He attended
>>>> Lafayette
>>>> High School with
>>>> the future Dodgers pitching star Sandy Koufax and the future Mets owner
>>>> Fred Wilpon, and
>>>> played for the school's championship football team in 1952.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca was a third-team all-American guard at the University of South
>>>> Carolina before he
>>>> was drafted by the Giants.
>>>>
>>>> He married Diane Johnson in 1976 and is survived by her, their son, Sam,
>>>> and a son and two
>>>> daughters from a previous marriage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Very sad. It is hard for me to believe he was that old...then I look at
>>> my
>>> driver's license and get a little shock...damn, we are all getting very
>>> old.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Speak for yourself, Pops. I'm never gonna get old, die or see the Jets
>> win a Lombardi. Oh woe is me.<G>
>
> It's called purgatory
>
>
Then I've served my time. Come to think of it, God owes me several
years for all my suffering.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 2:52 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Johnny Morongo" <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
news:j50u1e$tcj$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/16/2011 12:31 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>> "Johnny Morongo"<Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
>> news:j4v6dp$hnt$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 9/15/2011 10:44 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>>> "buRford"<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:msn577hcr67e1ap91rjecnn68jsg5a0p1m@4ax.com...
>>>>> Always sad to see a good guy go... lots of memories from when he was
>>>>> doing
>>>>> *color,* on
>>>>> Jets broadcasts. RIP!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> September 15, 2011
>>>>> Sam DeLuca, a Former Jet and Broadcaster, Is Dead at 75
>>>>> By DANIEL E. SLOTNIK
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam DeLuca, a scrappy guard for the Jets in the 1960s who became a
>>>>> broadcaster after a
>>>>> career-ending injury, died Tuesday at his home in Pelham, N.Y. He was
>>>>> 75.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cause was pancreatic cancer, T. J. Reynolds, a family friend,
>>>>> said.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca was drafted by the Giants in 1957 to replace the All-Pro guard
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> Austin, who
>>>>> planned to retire that year. Austin decided to play another season,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the Giants sent
>>>>> DeLuca to the Canadian Football League, where he played for three
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>> He joined the Los Angeles Chargers when the American Football League
>>>>> was
>>>>> founded in 1960
>>>>> and started on the Chargers' A.F.L. championship team during the
>>>>> 1963-64
>>>>> season before
>>>>> returning to New York, this time as a Jet.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca, 6 feet 2 inches and 245 pounds, played his first full season
>>>>> with
>>>>> the team in
>>>>> 1964-65. He became a team captain, and during the 1965 and 1966
>>>>> seasons
>>>>> he
>>>>> led the
>>>>> offensive line that protected a flashy young quarterback named Joe
>>>>> Namath.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in the final preseason game of 1967-68, one season before Namath
>>>>> guaranteed and
>>>>> delivered a Jets victory over the Baltimore Colts in Super Bowl III,
>>>>> DeLuca sustained a
>>>>> knee injury that permanently removed him from the line.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca's injury coincided with a strike by the American Federation of
>>>>> Television and Radio
>>>>> Artists that kept the two usual Jets commentators, the veteran
>>>>> broadcaster
>>>>> Merle Harmon
>>>>> and the Daily News sports columnist Dick Young, off the air for two
>>>>> games.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca covered both games alongside Wally Schwartz, WABC's general
>>>>> manager, and proved so
>>>>> adept that by spring he was hosting pregame and postgame radio shows
>>>>> for
>>>>> the Mets. In time
>>>>> he became Harmon's regular color commentator on Jets broadcasts and
>>>>> worked
>>>>> with him until
>>>>> 1972, when he moved to NBC. He retired as a sportscaster in 1988.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca said he missed the excitement and glamour of professional
>>>>> football,
>>>>> but appreciated
>>>>> the consolations of his new job.
>>>>>
>>>>> "There was less pressure," he said in an interview with a WABC Radio
>>>>> fan
>>>>> site. "I found
>>>>> that I liked it, because I could go out to dinner the night before a
>>>>> road
>>>>> game and not
>>>>> worry about having to play the next day."
>>>>>
>>>>> Saverio DeLuca was born in Brooklyn on May 2, 1936. He attended
>>>>> Lafayette
>>>>> High School with
>>>>> the future Dodgers pitching star Sandy Koufax and the future Mets
>>>>> owner
>>>>> Fred Wilpon, and
>>>>> played for the school's championship football team in 1952.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca was a third-team all-American guard at the University of South
>>>>> Carolina before he
>>>>> was drafted by the Giants.
>>>>>
>>>>> He married Diane Johnson in 1976 and is survived by her, their son,
>>>>> Sam,
>>>>> and a son and two
>>>>> daughters from a previous marriage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Very sad. It is hard for me to believe he was that old...then I look
>>>> at
>>>> my
>>>> driver's license and get a little shock...damn, we are all getting very
>>>> old.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself, Pops. I'm never gonna get old, die or see the Jets
>>> win a Lombardi. Oh woe is me.<G>
>>
>> It's called purgatory
>>
>>
> Then I've served my time. Come to think of it, God owes me several years
> for all my suffering.

When we get to Heaven...it will be Super Sunday every day...and The Jets
win.

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TOPIC: Heinz Ward ...meet Jarret Johnson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/542778e0569890c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 1:06 am
From: "P-DUB"


Don't know but I wish she goes fucks herself..
"Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:822aec64-dddf-4552-a8a0-29faa9d565e1@n11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right?
I have no idea who Mike is, and I was clearly referencing Ravens fans,
or the Ravens fans on this thread.

>It is perfectly
> obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby"

Ricky Bobby, huh? Sure thing. And who are you - Columbo?


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 9:44 am
From: "R�vNsf�n �"


Now that is sad. Kantou the Killer Snail, Strangeville Stan and JDWeirdOne
all now playing together in P-DUMB's sand-filled head. Being the most recent
of your cowardly nicks, how about you stop "top-posting" so that whomever it
is that you are attempting to communicate with will actually know that you
are attempting to do so. It's only fair that folks have the advanced
opportunity to ignore/killfile you like I give them for myself. Such Usenet
courtesy can work just as well for you as it has for me.

Much appreciated P-DUMBpUTZ

--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

"P-DUB" <PeeDUMBpUTZ@AsshOLeBabiesAnonymous.COM> wrote in message
news:j51kdt$ulv$1@dont-email.me...
: Don't know but I wish she goes fucks herself..

: "Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
: news:822aec64-dddf-4552-a8a0-29faa9d565e1@n11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
: On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
: > Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right?
: I have no idea who Mike is, and I was clearly referencing Ravens fans,
: or the Ravens fans on this thread.
:
: >It is perfectly
: > obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby"
:
: Ricky Bobby, huh? Sure thing. And who are you - Columbo?
:
:


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 11:30 am
From: "R�vNsf�n �"

"Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:822aec64-dddf-4552-a8a0-29faa9d565e1@n11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right?

> I have no idea who Mike is, and I was clearly referencing Ravens fans,
> or the Ravens fans on this thread.

I admit that your statement holds water, ...well..., ...it does as long as
noone checks back to see that which you <snipped> from your prior post.

Hmmm... "RaveNsfan" - Mike...? RaveNsfan" - Mike...? For my money, and I'm
making an educated guess here, "Mike" seems a bit generic to me so I'm going
to have to go with the "RaveNsfan" guy over Mike, as the most likely Ravens
fan between these two posters.

So dude, are you "that new" to this Usenet "thingie" that you don't grasp
the concept of posting directly "to the author of the post" in a given
thread that you claim to be referencing? At least you managed to post to
me this time. Being the only Ravens fan in this newsgroup I'd wager I may
have stood out a tad.

59 posts in September thus far doesn't suggest that you are in any way a
"shy" fella and thus you can not be a "newbie" to Usenet. In fact the lack
of any postings associated with your nick, prior to this September, more
than suggests that at a minimum you are nym shifting for some reason. Every
poster has mannerisms that over time act as a sort of "LowJack", that can
aid in identifying anonymous, nym shifting cowards. To aid in your
"perception" please allow me to articulate here, as you visualize, ...that
in your particular case you are as revealing as that shirtless 300 pound
carpenter repairing your rear porch deck last weekend, when quite
unexpectedly he bent over to retrieve his dropped hammer while you were
seated in the deck recliner directly behind him. Yes that was me and yes
again, ...I did catch that familiar "look of approval" on your face you bad
boy.

>It is perfectly
> obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby"

> Ricky Bobby, huh? Sure thing. And who are you - Columbo?

Hardly... it doesn't take a Colombo nor an Eisnstein.

--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:51 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 16, 7:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "Se or Patriots" <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
>
> news:12478a0e-e5dd-485f-97ec-704275e6f954@l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 16, 1:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 10:50 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
> > > Ravens "Jarret Johnson" Lays Out Steelers "Hines Ward"
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj0hcW29Pyg
>
> > > A minute representative of the overall vicious beat-down dealt to the
> > > Pittsburgh Steelers by the AFCN leading Baltimore Ravens on Sunday
> > > afternoon
> > > (all afternoon).
>
> > > --
> > > ~Drew
>
> > > "Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
> > > Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
>
> > hines he didnt have that idiotic smile on his face that time... sure
> > enough
> > Are all Ravens fans WWF loving teenagers with anger management
> > issues?
>
> Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right? It is perfectly
> obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby" didn't increase your
> intellectual capabilities. Next time look for a clue, ...like something in a
> poster's nick, ...say... "RavNsfan" for example. That name would probably
> indicate an actual "Ravens fan", whom could better attempt to decode any
> lame-assed Holier Than Thou questions you can come up with, ...just saying.
>
> > Not too impressive.  I sincerely hope there are some actual fans out
> > there from Baltimore who have this GAME in perspective.
>
> Se or Patriots? You of course would be the best representative of an "actual
> fan".  ehhh... personally I liked you better in your Ricky Bobby costume.
> You would at least be wrong without the superiority complex. Be careful
> Se or Bobby ... that pedastal you climbed up on has sharp corners, ...you
> may well put an eye out when you eventually fall off.
>
> Just so we are clear hombre', the storyline here was that of a cheap-shot
> artist that got his own clock cleaned in response. Also remember... NFL
> football is "sports entertainment". It in no way reflects the genuine game
> played prior to the institution of Super Bowl Sundays, league parody, free
> agency, the tuck rule and fans allowed to referee their own home team's
> games. I believe the emphasis to staying on the posted topic and not reading
> something else into something intended is called maintaining the
> perspective, ...that falls upon you Se or Snooty-pants.
>
>      ~Drew
>
>               "Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
>              Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

Well.... I'm a fan, but I dnt know about the genius part. :-)


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 6:47 pm
From: "R�vNsf�n �"


"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:453c7d8e-017d-48c2-9ab3-956d27e78ed3@19g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 16, 7:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "Se or Patriots" <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
>
> news:12478a0e-e5dd-485f-97ec-704275e6f954@l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 16, 1:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 15, 10:50 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
> > > Ravens "Jarret Johnson" Lays Out Steelers "Hines Ward"
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj0hcW29Pyg
>
> > > A minute representative of the overall vicious beat-down dealt to the
> > > Pittsburgh Steelers by the AFCN leading Baltimore Ravens on Sunday
> > > afternoon
> > > (all afternoon).
>
> > > --
> > > ~Drew
>
> > > "Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
> > > Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
>
> > hines he didnt have that idiotic smile on his face that time... sure
> > enough
> > Are all Ravens fans WWF loving teenagers with anger management
> > issues?
>
> Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right? It is
> perfectly
> obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby" didn't increase your
> intellectual capabilities. Next time look for a clue, ...like something in
> a
> poster's nick, ...say... "RavNsfan" for example. That name would probably
> indicate an actual "Ravens fan", whom could better attempt to decode any
> lame-assed Holier Than Thou questions you can come up with, ...just
> saying.
>
> > Not too impressive. I sincerely hope there are some actual fans out
> > there from Baltimore who have this GAME in perspective.
>
> Se or Patriots? You of course would be the best representative of an
> "actual
> fan". ehhh... personally I liked you better in your Ricky Bobby costume.
> You would at least be wrong without the superiority complex. Be careful
> Se or Bobby ... that pedastal you climbed up on has sharp corners, ...you
> may well put an eye out when you eventually fall off.
>
> Just so we are clear hombre', the storyline here was that of a cheap-shot
> artist that got his own clock cleaned in response. Also remember... NFL
> football is "sports entertainment". It in no way reflects the genuine game
> played prior to the institution of Super Bowl Sundays, league parody, free
> agency, the tuck rule and fans allowed to referee their own home team's
> games. I believe the emphasis to staying on the posted topic and not
> reading
> something else into something intended is called maintaining the
> perspective, ...that falls upon you Senor Snooty-pants.
>
> ~Drew
>
> "Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
> Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

Well.... I'm a fan, but I dnt know about the genius part. :-)

LMAO ...oh boy... did I leave that one a tad open for self promotional
interpretation or what? Gotta give you props for grabbing that brass ring
when it presented itself . Oh hell, ...go ahead and enjoy, sure as hell
someone will stop by soon enough to offer up their half-empty glass.

Good luck this week after which it will be T-minus 2 weeks ... and counting
; ).

That game is going to rock the house with near, if not equal, intensity as
was experienced at eMpTy Bank on opening day against the Steelers. From our
chronically despised divisional rivals, to our player respected, fan revered
former DC & assist HC. Definitely an emotional roller-coaster, albeit from
the other, more pleasant end of the spectrum.

--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 8:21 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Sep 17, 1:30 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
> >It is perfectly
> > obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby"
OK, if you insist, I'm Ricky Bobby and I'm not shy. Now what, Dr.
Phil?

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TOPIC: Dont forget NFL Network tonight at 9PM EST... Belichick Special
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1ffed82ee8bbcb1c?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:13 am
From: MZ


On Sep 16, 8:01 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 4:20 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 16, 3:33 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 16, 9:52 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > I guess Raheem Morris better not plan on winning any super bowls
> > > > anytime soon either.
>
> > > What does Morris have to do with cameragate in a strict sense ???
>
> > I referenced Morris because he was recently caught cheating.  It was
> > tongue-in-cheek, though not really.  :)
>
> > > Belichick's best offense as far as all the media experts were saying
> > > was last season. Unstoppable... Until BB tangled with a coach with
> > > some actual brainpower.  The Pats remind me of the German army circa
> > > 1939.  They looked great fighting agaisnt opposition that did not want
> > > to fight, or were fighting with horse calvalry.  As soon as they ran
> > > up against well equiped and motivated opposition, they didnt look too
> > > swift.
>
> > The '10 offense was good, but the '07 offense broke most relevant
> > records.  The Giants stifled them, this is true, but it's hard to make
> > the argument that the '01, '03, or '04 offenses were better.  The Pats
> > have simply been a better offensive team post-'06 than pre-'07.
>
> if their defense could get it together, they would win in the playoffs
> again.  i'm not sold on the fat albert line or the lb's they have
> now.  spike and mayo are good, but they dont have a complete
> defense.   IMHO, the seymour-warren-wilfork line backed up by the
> vrabel-bruschi-jr. crew was half the reason they won championships.
> their defense for the past four years has been a never ending work in
> progress...

I think you're mostly right, but I think the problems on D started
before some of these personnel issues. I think their good defenses
left with Romeo.

I agreed with you about fat albert until I saw him play Monday night.
Guy makes Wilfork look like Kenyon Coleman. I thought he was one of
the biggest stories of the night, even though the media isn't talking
about him. On the other side of the coin, Shaun Ellis looked
pedestrian every snap he was on the field.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 12:54 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com

Don't get NFL Network where I am but there are a number of clips at NFL.com at

http://prod.www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d822469c5/A-Football-Life-Meet-Bill-Belichick

One notable thing, at least in these clips: the guy never raises his voice.

In one he actually tells his players: "If you make a good play it is all right to feel a little emotion about it. Think how much work and preparation went into being able to make that play. It's OK to feel good, show a little positive feeling about it."

!!! :-)

Coaching is maybe the last profession where people have license to indulge themselves by screaming and cursing at others. After Lombardi, a lot of people took it as practically being a job requirement -- although Lombardi himself said "coaching is teaching" and that his own hot temper was a personality trait that he had to work to control and direct because it could get in the way.

Landry was the Iceman, Walsh was The Professor, they talked their teams to championships. From this it looks like Belichick is in their camp.

"Rah! Rah! Scream! Scream! Curse! Curse!", *not* the key trait in coaching champions.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 1:32 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:6098161.493.1316289265343.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqnk41...

Don't get NFL Network where I am but there are a number of clips at NFL.com
at

http://prod.www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d822469c5/A-Football-Life-Meet-Bill-Belichick

One notable thing, at least in these clips: the guy never raises his voice.

In one he actually tells his players: "If you make a good play it is all
right to feel a little emotion about it. Think how much work and
preparation went into being able to make that play. It's OK to feel good,
show a little positive feeling about it."

!!! :-)

Coaching is maybe the last profession where people have license to indulge
themselves by screaming and cursing at others. After Lombardi, a lot of
people took it as practically being a job requirement -- although Lombardi
himself said "coaching is teaching" and that his own hot temper was a
personality trait that he had to work to control and direct because it could
get in the way.

Landry was the Iceman, Walsh was The Professor, they talked their teams to
championships. From this it looks like Belichick is in their camp.

"Rah! Rah! Scream! Scream! Curse! Curse!", *not* the key trait in coaching
champions.
___________________________________________________________________________________

Could not agree more. Young coaches get emotional...mainly because they
don't know enough and that is where they played the game or saw the game
from. As a coach matures and if they are serious and learn, and learn and
learn more, they shut up and teach. I always felt when you see a high
school team running wind sprints at the end of every practice it is a sing
of the fact the coach has nothing left to say or do. Time is valuable, and
can't be wasted on a practice field...yes, you have to keep them in shape,
but you can do that during the course of practice and during warm ups.
Every minute means something...use it...BB looks like that kind of coach, it
is very, very focused. I loved his comments about guys staying after to
work on skills together...that is a must. Good players learn something and
then want to reinforce it themselves before they leave that field and go
home.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:38 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


"Jets WR Derrick Mason reacts to exchange with Bill Belichick in NFL Network documentary"

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/09/jets_wr_derrick_mason_reacts_t.html


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:48 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 17, 6:13 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 8:01 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 16, 4:20 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 16, 3:33 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 16, 9:52 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > > I guess Raheem Morris better not plan on winning any super bowls
> > > > > anytime soon either.
>
> > > > What does Morris have to do with cameragate in a strict sense ???
>
> > > I referenced Morris because he was recently caught cheating.  It was
> > > tongue-in-cheek, though not really.  :)
>
> > > > Belichick's best offense as far as all the media experts were saying
> > > > was last season. Unstoppable... Until BB tangled with a coach with
> > > > some actual brainpower.  The Pats remind me of the German army circa
> > > > 1939.  They looked great fighting agaisnt opposition that did not want
> > > > to fight, or were fighting with horse calvalry.  As soon as they ran
> > > > up against well equiped and motivated opposition, they didnt look too
> > > > swift.
>
> > > The '10 offense was good, but the '07 offense broke most relevant
> > > records.  The Giants stifled them, this is true, but it's hard to make
> > > the argument that the '01, '03, or '04 offenses were better.  The Pats
> > > have simply been a better offensive team post-'06 than pre-'07.
>
> > if their defense could get it together, they would win in the playoffs
> > again.  i'm not sold on the fat albert line or the lb's they have
> > now.  spike and mayo are good, but they dont have a complete
> > defense.   IMHO, the seymour-warren-wilfork line backed up by the
> > vrabel-bruschi-jr. crew was half the reason they won championships.
> > their defense for the past four years has been a never ending work in
> > progress...
>
> I think you're mostly right, but I think the problems on D started
> before some of these personnel issues.  I think their good defenses
> left with Romeo.
>
> I agreed with you about fat albert until I saw him play Monday night.
> Guy makes Wilfork look like Kenyon Coleman.  I thought he was one of
> the biggest stories of the night, even though the media isn't talking
> about him.  On the other side of the coin, Shaun Ellis looked
> pedestrian every snap he was on the field.

Haynesworth got a 100mm contract at one point, so there has to be
somthng there, I would guess. If he plas as good as he has in the
past it has he potential of being the best fa move of the season


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 5:19 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:11342208.637.1316299090095.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqnk41...
> "Jets WR Derrick Mason reacts to exchange with Bill Belichick in NFL
> Network documentary"
>
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/09/jets_wr_derrick_mason_reacts_t.html

Mason should keep his freakin mouth shut. Do something..play football
first. He looks horrendous to me and he looks like a guy going through the
motions, don't see much effort.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: A Woodhead moment that Jets and Patriots fans can savor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/eeda075f41d10ea7?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 11:55 am
From: Señor Patriots


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related

I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 12:35 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Señor Patriots wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
>
> I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.

Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.

"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."

-- Joe Theismann


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 1:06 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:2976732.385.1316288150724.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Se�or Patriots wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
>
> I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.

Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.

"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman
Einstein."

-- Joe Theismann


================================================================

And that's why we love Joe.


== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 2:14 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:06:46 PM UTC-4, Ray O&#39;Hara wrote:
> <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:2976732.385.1316288150724.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Se�or Patriots wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
> >
> > I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> > room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> > hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
>
> Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.
>
> "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman
> Einstein."
>
> -- Joe Theismann
>
>
> ================================================================
>
> And that's why we love Joe.

Perhaps getting way off topic, but all this got me looking for some famous sport quotes, and here's a list with some pretty damn entertaining ones on it.

http://www.sportshollywood.com/dumbquotes.html

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 2:52 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, oldn...@mindspring.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:06:46 PM UTC-4, Ray O&#39;Hara wrote:
> > <old...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:2976732.385.1316288150724.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> > On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Se�or Patriots wrote:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
> > >
> > > I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> > > room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> > > hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
> >
> > Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.
> >
> > "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman
> > Einstein."
> >
> > -- Joe Theismann
> >
> >
> > ================================================================
> >
> > And that's why we love Joe.
>
> Perhaps getting way off topic, but all this got me looking for some famous sport quotes, and here's a list with some pretty damn entertaining ones on it.
>
> http://www.sportshollywood.com/dumbquotes.html

A new from this week, just seen:

"A lot of us majored in eligibility" -- Warren Sapp, remembering college days.


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:54 pm
From: "yoyodog"


Sorry to burst your bubble but that was first posted last year prior to the
Jets/Pats playoff game

"Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:2b063327-268c-4700-a136-dce925b507f6@k7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
>
> I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 4:00 pm
From: cloud dreamer


On 17/09/2011 8:24 PM, yoyodog wrote:
> Sorry to burst your bubble but that was first posted last year prior to
> the Jets/Pats playoff game


You're not bursting anyone's bubble. It's irrelevant when it was first
posted. Really, who cares if it's from last January. It's still funny.

..


>
> "Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
> news:2b063327-268c-4700-a136-dce925b507f6@k7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
>>
>> I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
>> room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
>> hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
>

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 5:16 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:9196123.1069.1316296341097.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqef5...
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, oldn...@mindspring.com
wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:06:46 PM UTC-4, Ray O&#39;Hara wrote:
> > <old...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:2976732.385.1316288150724.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> > On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Se�or Patriots
> > wrote:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
> > >
> > > I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> > > room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> > > hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
> >
> > Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.
> >
> > "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like
> > Norman
> > Einstein."
> >
> > -- Joe Theismann
> >
> >
> > ================================================================
> >
> > And that's why we love Joe.
>
> Perhaps getting way off topic, but all this got me looking for some famous
> sport quotes, and here's a list with some pretty damn entertaining ones on
> it.
>
> http://www.sportshollywood.com/dumbquotes.html

A new from this week, just seen:

"A lot of us majored in eligibility" -- Warren Sapp, remembering college
days.
___________________________________________________________

I took that course one summer. The summer before my senior yeat. My junior
year was a LOT of fun.


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 8:14 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Sep 17, 6:00 pm, cloud dreamer <dont.at...@the.messengers> wrote:
> On 17/09/2011 8:24 PM, yoyodog wrote:
>
> > Sorry to burst your bubble but that was first posted last year prior to
> > the Jets/Pats playoff game
>
> You're not bursting anyone's bubble. It's irrelevant when it was first
> posted. Really, who cares if it's from last January. It's still funny.
>
>   ..
I must admit that I didn't bother looking at the date stamp. I must
also admit to watching certain reruns of Monty Python, or George
Carlin, or Dennis Leary, or Billy Connolly over and over. I never
tire of them. I saved this Theisman moment too.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Sacks: the fault of the OL or QB?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5bb8c30243b5725e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:07 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


This article says the QB holding the ball over three seconds determines the difference.

~~
... The median sack time has hovered between 2.7 and 2.8 seconds throughout the two years of the tracking...

Roethlisberger, Michael Vick, Colt McCoy and Joe Flacco join Cutler in picking up plenty of sacks that really shouldn't be blamed on the offensive line...

Over the past offseason we logged the time of pass for all Steelers pass attempts in 2010. Since Roethlisberger is considered to be prime example of a quarterback who creates big plays by holding the ball and escaping sacks, his statistics are useful.

In Roethlisberger's case, his sack percentage (the percentage of pass plays that results in sacks) doubled when he held the ball for longer than three seconds -- seven percent for passes of 2.1 to 3.0 seconds, 14 percent for passes that took between 3.1 and 4.0 seconds.

Interestingly, his quarterback rating, yards per attempt and first down percentage all dipped when he held the ball for more than three seconds, so it's difficult to say that holding the ball longer really pays off for Roethlisberger.

On the other end of the spectrum, when the Colts lost Peyton Manning to a neck injury, they not only lost one of the best quarterbacks in the league, but they also lost a quarterback who could make their offensive line's potential weaknesses seem to disappear.

Over the past two years, Manning has been sacked only 26 times. When you look at sacks that are created by a quarterback holding the ball too long, however, Manning is even more exceptional. No other quarterback can top Manning's four sacks of three-plus seconds in 1,250 pass attempts (0.32 percent of attempts).

[Table for all QBs for 2009 and 2010 -- Sanchez is near the exact middle of them all]

LONGEST SACK OF THE WEEK

There were four sacks which took six seconds or longer ...

Tony Romo's 6.0-second sack is the one that may be most remembered: it came on the play where he attempted to dive for the end zone from the Jets 3-yard line. He lost the ball before he landed, didn't make it to the end zone and gave the Jets a second chance...

http://footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure
~~~~~

"One potato, two potato, three potato, **throw the damn ball, Tony!**", ... starting week #2. :-)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 4:11 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:552708.509.1316297224818.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
This article says the QB holding the ball over three seconds determines the
difference.

~~
... The median sack time has hovered between 2.7 and 2.8 seconds throughout
the two years of the tracking...

Roethlisberger, Michael Vick, Colt McCoy and Joe Flacco join Cutler in
picking up plenty of sacks that really shouldn't be blamed on the offensive
line...

Over the past offseason we logged the time of pass for all Steelers pass
attempts in 2010. Since Roethlisberger is considered to be prime example of
a quarterback who creates big plays by holding the ball and escaping sacks,
his statistics are useful.

In Roethlisberger�s case, his sack percentage (the percentage of pass plays
that results in sacks) doubled when he held the ball for longer than three
seconds -- seven percent for passes of 2.1 to 3.0 seconds, 14 percent for
passes that took between 3.1 and 4.0 seconds.

Interestingly, his quarterback rating, yards per attempt and first down
percentage all dipped when he held the ball for more than three seconds, so
it�s difficult to say that holding the ball longer really pays off for
Roethlisberger.

On the other end of the spectrum, when the Colts lost Peyton Manning to a
neck injury, they not only lost one of the best quarterbacks in the league,
but they also lost a quarterback who could make their offensive line's
potential weaknesses seem to disappear.

Over the past two years, Manning has been sacked only 26 times. When you
look at sacks that are created by a quarterback holding the ball too long,
however, Manning is even more exceptional. No other quarterback can top
Manning�s four sacks of three-plus seconds in 1,250 pass attempts (0.32
percent of attempts).

[Table for all QBs for 2009 and 2010 -- Sanchez is near the exact middle of
them all]

LONGEST SACK OF THE WEEK

There were four sacks which took six seconds or longer ...

Tony Romo's 6.0-second sack is the one that may be most remembered: it came
on the play where he attempted to dive for the end zone from the Jets 3-yard
line. He lost the ball before he landed, didn't make it to the end zone and
gave the Jets a second chance...

http://footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure
~~~~~

"One potato, two potato, three potato, **throw the damn ball, Tony!**", ...
starting week #2. :-)
__________________________________________________________________________________

This is way too simplistic..extremely so. We need to examine each play, the
steps in the drop, the development of the play. And a QB who is seeing
pressure almost immediately after the snap will not react the same way as
when the protection execution is in tact from the start. Essentially, the
guy needs to be able to get into his drop as designed. Cutler is the one
I'd say is a huge problem though...Vick tries too hard at times and keeps
trying to buy time. But, Vick's mechanics are excellent even when he is
avoiding things. I think a lot of these statistics are generated just to
generate a number...they don't really mean anything, each play needs to be
analyzed to see what is going on.


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* 2-year Doping Ban for Longo? - 4 messages, 2 authors
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/eafdffc22b355aa9?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 16 2011 2:40 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Sep 14, 10:35 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > So what are you implying, Jeannie is a chronic doper? Or she
> > > unwittingly got a trace of some drug (ephedrine) in her system?
> > > Which is it?
> > > Phil H
>
> > We don't know if ephedrine in her system was an unwitting error or
> > not. The 80's were a really "slushy" time regarding uniform doping
> > testing as well as enforcement.
>
> > Regardless, I am implying neither of your viewpoints. Why does it have
> > to be one or the other? My original post that you replied to was this:
>
> She is either a deliberate doper and continued to dope more carefully
> (unlikely) or
> was a deliberate doper and gave it up after being busted (more likely)
> or
> somehow unintentionally had traces of a banned substance (even more
> likely).
> Did I cover all possible outcomes?

I don't care. Whether she doped once or a thousand times was never my
point or my interest, though clearly not obvious enough for you.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 10:01 am
From: Phil H


On Sep 16, 2:40 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 10:35 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > So what are you implying, Jeannie is a chronic doper? Or she
> > > > unwittingly got a trace of some drug (ephedrine) in her system?
> > > > Which is it?
> > > > Phil H
>
> > > We don't know if ephedrine in her system was an unwitting error or
> > > not. The 80's were a really "slushy" time regarding uniform doping
> > > testing as well as enforcement.
>
> > > Regardless, I am implying neither of your viewpoints. Why does it have
> > > to be one or the other? My original post that you replied to was this:
>
> > She is either a deliberate doper and continued to dope more carefully
> > (unlikely) or
> > was a deliberate doper and gave it up after being busted (more likely)
> > or
> > somehow unintentionally had traces of a banned substance (even more
> > likely).
> > Did I cover all possible outcomes?
>
> I don't care. Whether she doped once or a thousand times was never my
> point or my interest, though clearly not obvious enough for you.

Your point was to correct the statement about Longo's unblemished
record and in doing so you cast aspersions.
Looking into the incident a little more, it is inconclusive whether or
not she was a deliberate doper. That's my point of interest.
Is that clear enough for you?
Phil H


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 12:44 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Sep 17, 12:01 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 2:40 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 14, 10:35 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > So what are you implying, Jeannie is a chronic doper? Or she
> > > > > unwittingly got a trace of some drug (ephedrine) in her system?
> > > > > Which is it?
> > > > > Phil H
>
> > > > We don't know if ephedrine in her system was an unwitting error or
> > > > not. The 80's were a really "slushy" time regarding uniform doping
> > > > testing as well as enforcement.
>
> > > > Regardless, I am implying neither of your viewpoints. Why does it have
> > > > to be one or the other? My original post that you replied to was this:
>
> > > She is either a deliberate doper and continued to dope more carefully
> > > (unlikely) or
> > > was a deliberate doper and gave it up after being busted (more likely)
> > > or
> > > somehow unintentionally had traces of a banned substance (even more
> > > likely).
> > > Did I cover all possible outcomes?
>
> > I don't care. Whether she doped once or a thousand times was never my
> > point or my interest, though clearly not obvious enough for you.
>
> Your point was to correct the statement about Longo's unblemished
> record and in doing so you cast aspersions.
> Looking into the incident a little more, it is inconclusive whether or
> not she was a deliberate doper. That's my point of interest.
> Is that clear enough for you?
> Phil H

I don't think aspersions means what you think it means. By
_correcting_ the statement (and providing substantiation) about
Longo's unblemished record, by definition I am not casting an
aspersion.

Since your point of interest is not the same as mine, I really don't
give a shit about yours except when you try to put words in my mouth.
I made a statement refuting her representative's claim; nothing else.
So kindly fuck off.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 5:58 pm
From: Phil H


On Sep 17, 12:44 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 12:01 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 2:40 pm, Plano Dude <tx.wastel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 14, 10:35 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > So what are you implying, Jeannie is a chronic doper? Or she
> > > > > > unwittingly got a trace of some drug (ephedrine) in her system?
> > > > > > Which is it?
> > > > > > Phil H
>
> > > > > We don't know if ephedrine in her system was an unwitting error or
> > > > > not. The 80's were a really "slushy" time regarding uniform doping
> > > > > testing as well as enforcement.
>
> > > > > Regardless, I am implying neither of your viewpoints. Why does it have
> > > > > to be one or the other? My original post that you replied to was this:
>
> > > > She is either a deliberate doper and continued to dope more carefully
> > > > (unlikely) or
> > > > was a deliberate doper and gave it up after being busted (more likely)
> > > > or
> > > > somehow unintentionally had traces of a banned substance (even more
> > > > likely).
> > > > Did I cover all possible outcomes?
>
> > > I don't care. Whether she doped once or a thousand times was never my
> > > point or my interest, though clearly not obvious enough for you.
>
> > Your point was to correct the statement about Longo's unblemished
> > record and in doing so you cast aspersions.
> > Looking into the incident a little more, it is inconclusive whether or
> > not she was a deliberate doper. That's my point of interest.
> > Is that clear enough for you?
> > Phil H
>
> I don't think aspersions means what you think it means. By
> _correcting_ the statement (and providing substantiation) about
> Longo's unblemished record, by definition I am not casting an
> aspersion.
>
> Since your point of interest is not the same as mine, I really don't
> give a shit about yours except when you try to put words in my mouth.
> I made a statement refuting her representative's claim; nothing else.
> So kindly fuck off.

A mind reader are we? In case there is any doubt.... "an unfavorable
or damaging remark; slander: Don't cast aspersions on my honesty."
The fact that you brought up a counter to Longo's unblemished record
assertion, I would definitely call that unfavorable or
damaging.....don't yer think?
Do you think her lawyer knew about that incident? FU2
Phil H

==============================================================================
TOPIC: The return of the king?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6bf597e8ca6abebe?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 1:19 am
From: atriage


On 16/09/2011 21:30, Simply Fred wrote:
> atriage wrote:
>> http://www.tri247.com/article_9091_Lance+to+race+XTERRA%3F.html?region_id=&category=
>>
>
> Has he still got his precious ?
>
If not he better set out on a quest, he's gonna be up against one of the true
hard men of world sport in Conrad Stoltz, someone who isn't affected by mind
games and doesn't give a shit about reputations. He also puts out a similar
wattage to Lance at his peak.

--


== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 2:43 am
From: Davey Crockett


atriage a �crit profondement:

| On 16/09/2011 21:30, Simply Fred wrote:
| > atriage wrote:
| >> http://www.tri247.com/article_9091_Lance+to+race+XTERRA%3F.html?region_id=&category=
| >>
| >
| > Has he still got his precious ?
| >
| If not he better set out on a quest, he's gonna be up against one of
| the true hard men of world sport in Conrad Stoltz, someone who isn't
| affected by mind games and doesn't give a shit about reputations. He
| also puts out a similar wattage to Lance at his peak.

I'm surprised anybody still wants him around.

--
Dumb Swiss Bank
-
A CITY trader wept in the dock as he appeared in court accused of a �1.3
billion fraud at Swiss banking giant UBS, but as he was led away to
custody he appeared to grin for the cameras. -- TNB
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/TH1_169201140naughtybanker.jpg
--
Davey Crockett

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 6:11 am
From: RicodJour


On Sep 17, 5:43 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> atriage a crit profondement:
> | On 16/09/2011 21:30, Simply Fred wrote:| > atriage wrote:
>
> | > Has he still got his precious ?
> | >
> | If not he better set out on a quest, he's gonna be up against one of
> | the true hard men of world sport in Conrad Stoltz, someone who isn't
> | affected by mind games and doesn't give a shit about reputations. He
> | also puts out a similar wattage to Lance at his peak.
>
> I'm surprised anybody still wants him around.

I'm surprised you seem bitter about just about everything. From what
you've posted it seems that you have a pretty fine life and have a lot
to be happy for, but all you ever post is about the unfairness of
life. Who told you it was supposed to be fair? Life sucks, then you
die - get over it and be happy.

R
RBR Director Life Intervention Program Program


== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 7:20 am
From: atriage


On 17/09/2011 14:11, RicodJour wrote:
> On Sep 17, 5:43 am, Davey Crockett<r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
>> atriage a crit profondement:
>> | On 16/09/2011 21:30, Simply Fred wrote:|> atriage wrote:
>>
>> |> Has he still got his precious ?
>> |>
>> | If not he better set out on a quest, he's gonna be up against one of
>> | the true hard men of world sport in Conrad Stoltz, someone who isn't
>> | affected by mind games and doesn't give a shit about reputations. He
>> | also puts out a similar wattage to Lance at his peak.
>>
>> I'm surprised anybody still wants him around.
>
> I'm surprised you seem bitter about just about everything. From what
> you've posted it seems that you have a pretty fine life and have a lot
> to be happy for, but all you ever post is about the unfairness of
> life. Who told you it was supposed to be fair? Life sucks, then you
> die - get over it and be happy.
>

He just can't forget the Alamo.

--


== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 7:40 am
From: Davey Crockett


RicodJour a �crit profondement:

| I'm surprised you seem bitter about just about everything. From what
| you've posted it seems that you have a pretty fine life and have a lot
| to be happy for, but all you ever post is about the unfairness of
| life. Who told you it was supposed to be fair? Life sucks, then you
| die - get over it and be happy.

Davey's Happy enough and thankful that circumstances have allowed him to
live wherever he likes and do whatever he likes and to help others who
are not doing so well.

But he won't be really happy until _everybody_ is happy and they've hung
all the thieving banksters, New World Order advocates and their
sycophantic supporters.

--
Davey Crockett
-
Democracy
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/democracy1.jpg


== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 8:29 am
From: atriage


On 17/09/2011 15:40, Davey Crockett wrote:

> But he won't be really happy until _everybody_ is happy and they've hung
> all the thieving banksters,

You forgot the drawing and quartering bit which is the least they deserve.


--


== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 10:37 am
From: RicodJour


On Sep 17, 10:40 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> RicodJour a crit profondement:
>
> | I'm surprised you seem bitter about just about everything.  From what
> | you've posted it seems that you have a pretty fine life and have a lot
> | to be happy for, but all you ever post is about the unfairness of
> | life.  Who told you it was supposed to be fair?  Life sucks, then you
> | die - get over it and be happy.
>
> Davey's Happy enough and thankful that circumstances have allowed him to
> live wherever he likes and do whatever he likes and to help others who
> are not doing so well.

I, for one, would not hold it against you if you let the happy, warm
fuzzy Davey out to play once in a while.

> But he won't be really happy until _everybody_ is happy and they've hung
> all the thieving banksters, New World Order advocates and their
> sycophantic supporters.

Ummm, wouldn't that make some people unhappy?

"Wait, if you say you always lie, then you're lying, which means
you're telling the truth, but you said you lie....bzzzt. Does not
compute. Does not compute."

R


== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 11:10 am
From: Michael Press


In article
<1a8ec333-7081-455a-ab5f-9cae9bdcb07d@hb5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@aol.com> wrote:

> On Sep 17, 5:43 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> > atriage a crit profondement:
> > | On 16/09/2011 21:30, Simply Fred wrote:| > atriage wrote:
> >
> > | > Has he still got his precious ?
> > | >
> > | If not he better set out on a quest, he's gonna be up against one of
> > | the true hard men of world sport in Conrad Stoltz, someone who isn't
> > | affected by mind games and doesn't give a shit about reputations. He
> > | also puts out a similar wattage to Lance at his peak.
> >
> > I'm surprised anybody still wants him around.
>
> I'm surprised you seem bitter about just about everything. From what
> you've posted it seems that you have a pretty fine life and have a lot
> to be happy for, but all you ever post is about the unfairness of
> life. Who told you it was supposed to be fair? Life sucks, then you
> die - get over it and be happy.

<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/67e1bcf70008c026?hl=en&dmode=source>

--
Michael Press

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Huh!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/ec3696b7ccec4fee?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 7:27 am
From: atriage


Scroll down to the pic of the Diablo and tell me that isn't the worst production
bike color scheme ever.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interbike-2011-neilprydes-new-bayamo-time-trial-frame
--


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 10:33 am
From: RicodJour


On Sep 17, 10:27 am, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>
> Scroll down to the pic of the Diablo and tell me that isn't the worst production
> bike color scheme ever.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interbike-2011-neilprydes-new-bay...
> --

Not even close.

R


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 11:21 am
From: atriage


On 17/09/2011 18:33, RicodJour wrote:
> On Sep 17, 10:27 am, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>>
>> Scroll down to the pic of the Diablo and tell me that isn't the worst production
>> bike color scheme ever.
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interbike-2011-neilprydes-new-bay...
>> --
>
> Not even close.
>
link?

--


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 6:01 pm
From: RicodJour


On Sep 17, 2:21 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 17/09/2011 18:33, RicodJour wrote:> On Sep 17, 10:27 am, atriage<atri...@satriage.net>  wrote:
>
> >> Scroll down to the pic of the Diablo and tell me that isn't the worst production
> >> bike color scheme ever.
>
> >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interbike-2011-neilprydes-new-bay...
> >> --
>
> > Not even close.
>
> link?

You're kidding, right? I understand that the Diablo isn't your cup of
tea color-wise - or mine - but it is far from atrocious. I find the
ubiquitous white and black with a splash of red puerile and
offensive. It shows a lack of imagination and a color conservatism
only valued by close-minded engineers, the colorblind and bean
counters.

R

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Sagan v Gilbert
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/55008821ad13ed82?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 7:26 am
From: Scott


Predictions for Worlds?

I'd love to see Gilbert finish off his incredible year with the WC,
but don't think it will happen.

If I were a betting man (and not a chronic candyass'r) I'd bet on
Sagan. Or, maybe Boom.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: On the startline
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/6831de3845167822?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 8:17 am
From: Davey Crockett


Blokes

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTI1NDk&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzMxNjA&LangId=1

--
Davey Crockett
Scotland's new flag (Coming Soon)
Peoples Scottish Soviet Republic (PSSR)
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/saltire1.jpg


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 8:33 am
From: atriage


On 17/09/2011 16:17, Davey Crockett wrote:
> Blokes
>
> http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTI1NDk&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzMxNjA&LangId=1
>
Australian team looks pretty awesome to me, who can beat them?

--


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 10:41 am
From: Davey Crockett


atriage a �crit profondement:

| On 17/09/2011 16:17, Davey Crockett wrote:
| > Blokes
| >
| > http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTI1NDk&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzMxNjA&LangId=1
| >
| Australian team looks pretty awesome to me, who can beat them?

Ever been on it?

The course can make "Luck" a significant factor.

Unless they fixed the roads lately, punctures could play a big part in
the race.

--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsa
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 11:28 am
From: atriage


On 17/09/2011 18:41, Davey Crockett wrote:
> atriage a �crit profondement:
>
> | On 17/09/2011 16:17, Davey Crockett wrote:
> |> Blokes
> |>
> |> http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTI1NDk&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzMxNjA&LangId=1
> |>
> | Australian team looks pretty awesome to me, who can beat them?
>
> Ever been on it?
>
> The course can make "Luck" a significant factor.
>
> Unless they fixed the roads lately, punctures could play a big part in
> the race.
>
Yeah well if they raced with heavy duty clincher tyres like what sensible people
use they wouldn't be constantly waiting at the side of the road for a
replacement. Was it Boonen in the TdF who waited about two minutes. His
hand-knitted twenty year old wine-matured tubs have to be pretty could to get
that time back.

--


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 1:39 pm
From: "A. Dumas"


On 17/09/2011 17:17, Davey Crockett wrote:
> Blokes
>
> http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTI1NDk&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzMxNjA&LangId=1

Not quite the start list yet, this is the list of registered riders,
including reserves. Here with pro teams:
http://ewoud.home.xs4all.nl/cycling/wc2011/


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 4:36 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Sep 17, 3:39 pm, "A. Dumas" <alexan...@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote:
> On 17/09/2011 17:17, Davey Crockett wrote:
>
> > Blokes
>
> >http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTI1NDk&ObjTyp...
>
> Not quite the start list yet, this is the list of registered riders,
> including reserves. Here with pro teams:http://ewoud.home.xs4all.nl/cycling/wc2011/

Thanks domoor. I look forward to this each year.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: On the Start-line
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/82341c43aa2376e2?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 8:19 am
From: Davey Crockett


Chix

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTI1NDk&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NzI4NjE&LangId=1
--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsa
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg

==============================================================================
TOPIC: D E C K E R WHORES Pussies Pot-pie
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/afabd0ff149f3592?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 11:46 am
From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca


Onze afternoon, i wasz catchin a snooze in my backyard on a sunny day.
much to my surprize, i lifted my hat and found my neighborz Jennifer
Lynn Racey unzipping my pants. they gestured to me with theirz indexes
finger over theirz slender lips to be quiet. I say figures okay, they
then unzipped my pants and reached in and tuggzed on my big black
mamba! Imediatelzly, my blacks a mamba becomes engorged with hot
burstz of human excitementz. With a big tugz with both of theriz
handz, Jennifer Lynn Racey pluckz me black mamba to a full erctionz!
thez then opened theyz mothz and slipsz it over my full manhoodz. they
gagz and coughz a bit but begins hiz suckin action upz and downz! they
repeatedlyz goez faster and faster untilz i feelz my venemouz black
mamba release a massive explozion into theirz mouth. At first, they
triyz to swallow it allz but my venomouz fluidz keepz jaculating in
theirz mouthz. Then, they pullz theirz head awayz with theirz handz
still clenched on my black mamba. they coughz and gagz a minute over
the concretes but then placez theirz lips back on myz black mamba.
Once aginz, they jerks it hard withz both handz. Again, I'z begin to
release a strong venemouz fluid at a fullz flow into theirz small
mouth. Myz black mamba squirmz in theirz handz as i release all of my
venemous fluid from myz snake into theirz mouthz. i'z kannotz waitz
til my neighbor Jennifer Lynn Racey sneaks back over to my house for
somz afternoonz delight. Next timz, me thinks i shall let my black
mamba go hogwildz in theirz anuz. if thez suckz me this good next
time, i shall let myz snake ezcape in theirz anuz andz give them zome
my brotherly love. Myz black mamba has neverz felt so good after
Jennifer Lynn Racey wrapped theirz lipz around the big headz on meez
mamba!

Three little whores,
Three little whores,
See how they suck,
See how they fuck,
Their daddy feels them up all day,
Their daddy probes their cunts all day,
Their days pimps them out all nite,
They're three Decker whores!


According to virtualcourthouse.com, you can fuck Kucucka by fucking
Decker so let's fuck Decker to give Kucucka some more grief!

brian whatcott <betw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


Somebody is censoring this stuff; the truth must hurt!

MARK WILSON DECKER
http://www.e-
yearbook.com/yearbooks/United_States_Naval_Academy_Lucky_Bag_Yearbook/1


979/Page_167.html


Mark came all the way across town to attend Canoe U. Plebe year he
became a news column regular from a starting posi- tion on the varsity
soccer team and co- captain of the plebe lax team. Youngster year
brought endless hours of study and a permanent nickname, " Max. " He
strove to max all he did and was involved in everything from hang
gliding to " 4 pts. " and stars and strips. His home became the refuge
for many youngster autos and drunk classmates, none the less the
welcome mat was always out, and the hospitality was deeply ap-
preciated. Second class year saw the dawning of the star fieet command
of which Max was the CO. Even though Mark had female connections in
nearly every college in Maryland and Virginia, his 20-10 was primarily
focused on the Ivy Leagues. Whether commanding a squadron or managing
a corporation, you can bet Max will maximize.


Mark W. Decker has a boat named Spoony:
http://www.boatinfoworld.com/registration.asp?vn=96438


What do you think the chances are that he has already
"spooned" and felt-up all three of his daughters (Audrey,
Hannah and Libby Decker) aboard his boat with his "vessel"
which he has a propensity to play with.... even in public!


Let's see if this causes Mark Kacucha some legal trouble:


Belfort President Mark W. Decker (U.S. Naval Academy alumnus), let me
tell you about this lowlife. Starts the workday between 9-10AM by
checking work and personal email. Come 11-11:30AM, he's getting ready
to go to the local gym to work out. Gets back in the office around 1PM
and only then decides to take a lunch break as if the gym workout
didn't count for a lunch break. By 1:30PM, he back checking work and
personal email and maybe making a few entires in his family diary
which he keeps at work on the company hard drive. Come 3-4PM, he's
getting anxious and is looking to wrap up his workday so he can go
home and coach soccer league for one of his three daughters. Needless
to say, all thru-out his "playful" workday, one gets to see all his
dirty nasty habits including:


1) scratching his balls,
2) stroking his cock,
3) farting (and then asking someone else if they farted),
4) belching,
5) biting his fingernails,
6) picking his nose (and eating the choice boogies),
7) scratching his ass,
8) picking at his toenails
9) coughing (he has a chronic productive cough... yuck)


Now keep in mind that this is a US Naval Academy graduate (Class of
1979) who's motto is "don't do as I do" but "do as I say!" Makes
complete sense because he superiors in the U.S. Navy recognized his
lack of leadership very early on. That's why Lt. Decker didn't last in
the U.S. Navy and decided to enter the corporate world where he could
use his skills of conniving, lying, denying, concealing, deceiving,
and making things up!


Let's get this straight, he been with at least three different
companies over the past dozen years, all where he had a hand in
running them into the ground. Doesn't a midshipman know how to steer a
boat to prevent it from running into the ground? He's been with:


1) Unc, Inc.
2) Mentor Technologies
3) Belfort Instruments


and now there appears to be evidence that he either resigned or
was fired from Belfort Instrument Company for "poor performance."
Seems like he spent four years trying to sell DigiWx and DigiWx AWOS
and was a miserable failure at all of it while dragging down the
finances for the rest of the Belfort company. It's easy to conclude
that Mark W. Decker is "all that and a bag of chips" along with
some "shit" salza on the side!


How many freakin passes does this lowlife (who was born with a silver
spoon in his mouth) get? What kind of role model is he for his three
daughters Audrey, Hanna, and Libby Decker? And how about his wife
Jennifer Racey who decided to keep her maiden name (maybe because she
knew about the lowlife she married).


Why do we have lowlifes like Mark W. Decker around? This guy thinks he
the best thing since sliced bread. He doesn't think his shit stinks
and he doesn't think too highly of woman in general either. Wonder how
he'll explain that one to his three daughters one day?


Mark W. Decker (the "w" stands for "wiener" which he scratches)
Jennifer L. Racey (probably wife)
289 Long Point Road (assessed value of $968,280 as of 1/1/05)
Crownsville, MD 21032-1853
DOB: January 7, 1957 according to http://anybirthday.com
SSN: 212-60-0049


And then we have this:
Hannah, Audrey & Libby Decker (daughters) were found dead in a second
family home owned by Ralph P. Decker, Mary Ann Decker, Mark W. Decker
and Jennifer L. Racey according to land records available from the
Maryland State Department of Assessments and Taxation. No immediate
cause of death was available. The second family home is located at: 11
Silverwood Circle SILVERWOOD Unit 3, Building 11, SC 3, Annapolis, MD
21403.


No explanation was available about how Hannah, Audrey & Libby Decker
ended up in this second family home versus the other family home at
289 Long Point Road, Crownsville, MD 21032-1853 which is noted as
being the family's primary residence according to land records
available from the Maryland State Department of Assessments and
Taxation.


And then this:
COCK Scratching Belfort Digiwx President Mark W. Decker


http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilber...-20070812.html


Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker:
PREPARE A PROPOSAL FOR THIS CUSTOMER


Dilbert: WHY ME?


Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: YOU
WERE WALKING BY. I HAD IT IN MY HANDS


Dilbert: WE CAN'T WIN THIS BUSINESS. WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PRODUCTS
OR EXPERTISE.


Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: JUST
SAY WE DO. WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT LATER


Dilbert: THEY KNOW WE DON'T. AND WE'D STILL BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE
BIDDER.


Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: BID
LOW. WE'LL MAKE IT UP WITH CHNAGE ORDERS AND UNEXPECTED ESSENTIAL
UPGRADES.


Dilbert: IN OTHER WORDS, I'VE BEEN RANDOMLY ASSIGNED TO CREATE LIES
FOR A PROPOSAL WE CAN WIN FOR A SERVICE WE CAN'T PERFORM.


Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W. Decker: YOU
MAKE COMPETING SOUND BAD.


Just a typical day at Belfort Instrument Digiwx AWOS company with the
likes of Pecker Scratching Belfort Digiwx AWOS President Mark W.
Decker, Resident MURDERER Debra S. Alascio Von Lange, Jowl, Belly &
ass Ralph F. Petragnani, and the other THREE STOOGES:
William C. Gordon, Bruce R. Robinson and Nicholas C. Kaufman.


Lastly, we have this:
Belfort Instruments Digiwx has t-shirts emblazoned with the phrase:


"The Wright Brothers Relied on Us"


American history seems to tell a very different story!


There is a press release with President Mark W. Decker
name on it as the contact at:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/6/prweb67805.php


Mr. Decker says "The Wright Brothers monitored these
(i.e. Belfort's) instruments as they prepared for
their famous flight on December 17th, 1903."


THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT (Mark W. Decker style)


Here is what the Wright Brothers really wrote
on December 17, 1903:


"We had a 'Richard' hand anemometer with which we
measured the velocity of the wind. Measurements made
just before starting the first flight showed velocities
of 11 to 12 meters per second, or 24 to 27 miles per
hour. Measurements made just before the last flight
gave between 9 and 10 meters per second. One made just
after showed a little over 8 meters."


And then there is that indisputable picture of:


WILBUR WRIGHT USING A RICHARD'S ANEMOMETER (picture)
http://wings.avkids.com/Book/Wright/history1_19012.html


Belfort Instrument Company President Mark W. Decker
is trying to re-write history to include mention of
Belfort and/or Friez. This is a shame and a sham!


Buy anything except Belfort Instrument Digiwx AWOS
from Bruce R. Robinson and company.


Last but not least:


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From: George Orwell >
Newsgroups: md.annapolis
Subject: Mentor Technologies Mark W. Decker liked playing pocket pool
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Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:07:29 +0200 (CEST)
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I saw where Mark W. Decker is now working at Belfort Instrumentation
as I always wonder where he went after skipping out of Dodge City just
barely when he left Mentor Technologies. If he hadn't left Mentor in
2001, Decker would have been shown the exit after his dismal
performance at Mentor. The thing I will always remember about Decker
was his passion for playing pocket pool, the kind one plays when they
have something nasty growing in their crotch out of control. I mean
get some Desenex or something for that jungle rot. He was absolutely
icky just watching him work his hands in his pants pocket as he
attempted to reach his private parts in search of a much needed
scratch. Several coworkers always wondered exactly why he scratched
his crotch in public for everyone to see and notice. I guess he
figured that he could be a Baltimore Oriole Cal Ripkin on the baseball
diamond and nobody would notice, well many people did notice and found
it disgusting and repulsive to say the least. I know I always wonder
what his wife must have growing in her crotch as a result of him
passing along his germs and god knows what else to her. Anybody at
Belfort Instrumetnation seen Decker digging at his pecker in public? I
would bet he still is!


Belfort Instruments suing fired worker Mark W. Decker


A Baltimore manufacturer of weather instruments is suing a fired
employee it claims is on an anonymous Internet rampage. Belfort
Instrument says Mark W. Decker has been harassing current Belfort
employees via e-mail, calling the company's customers and partners
alleging unethical business practices, and posting trade secrets on
the Internet. Defendant Decker has an alarming history of engaging
in such 'anonymous' Internet attacks against those who he believes may
have slighted him (including past employers), and, absent a TRO, will
continue his historical pattern of making outrageous and harmful
attacks against the material business interests of Belfort Instrument,
reads Belfort's complaint, filed earlier this month in Baltimore
County Circuit Court. Belfort, which obtained a temporary restraining
order against Decker on Nov. 15, is suing him for misappropriating
trade secrets, breach of contract, defamation and tortious
interference with contractual relations. The company is seeking $1
million. After consulting with his client, Belfort attorney Douglas W.
Desmarais declined to speak about the case. My client's position is
that this is a dispute that they have chosen to resolve through legal
channels, and they're going to let it play out through legal channels,
Desmarais said. Decker could not be located for comment; his phone
number is unlisted and a reverse search of his Annapolis, MD address
produced no results. According to the complaint, when Decker started
working for Belfort in 2001, he signed a contract promising that, if
he left the company, for two years afterward he would not say negative
things about it; if he did, he would face court action. He is also
bound by the Maryland Uniform Trade Secrets Act not to divulge
privileged information, Belfort says. Decker was fired on Oct. 20 of
this year and then started to harass his ex-girlfriend, still a
Belfort employee, via e- mail, the suit reads. He also allegedly e-
mailed the company's general mailbox anonymously, promising to fight
back against the company and drive it out of business. The company
also claims he called their customers and made untrue allegations.
Decker also used an Internet newsgroup to criticize the Belfort
product he had been in charge of marketing, the DigiWx AWOS digital
weather transmitter, calling it DigiSHIT, Belfort claims. He also
allegedly listed which of Belfort's customers were using DigiWx. The
motion does not state how Belfort knows that Decker is behind the
anonymous e-mails, phone calls and Internet postings, but a letter
from Desmarais to Decker warns that Belfort can easily trace the
communications to Decker. Belfort also claims that Decker has a
history of using pseudonyms to criticize whoever has offended [him] on
a particular day. Indeed, a search of Google's newsgroups shows lots
of chatter about Decker, including several posts purporting to
unmask him as the anonymous source of negative comments about
Baltimore.


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