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* RIP... Sam DeLuca - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Heinz Ward ...meet Jarret Johnson - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/542778e0569890c0?hl=en
* Dont forget NFL Network tonight at 9PM EST... Belichick Special - 6 messages,
4 authors
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* A Woodhead moment that Jets and Patriots fans can savor - 9 messages, 6
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/eeda075f41d10ea7?hl=en
* Sacks: the fault of the OL or QB? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: RIP... Sam DeLuca
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3a2d09ccef76184b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Sep 16 2011 6:44 pm
From: Johnny Morongo
On 9/16/2011 12:31 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo"<Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
> news:j4v6dp$hnt$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/15/2011 10:44 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>> "buRford"<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>> news:msn577hcr67e1ap91rjecnn68jsg5a0p1m@4ax.com...
>>>> Always sad to see a good guy go... lots of memories from when he was
>>>> doing
>>>> *color,* on
>>>> Jets broadcasts. RIP!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> September 15, 2011
>>>> Sam DeLuca, a Former Jet and Broadcaster, Is Dead at 75
>>>> By DANIEL E. SLOTNIK
>>>>
>>>> Sam DeLuca, a scrappy guard for the Jets in the 1960s who became a
>>>> broadcaster after a
>>>> career-ending injury, died Tuesday at his home in Pelham, N.Y. He was
>>>> 75.
>>>>
>>>> The cause was pancreatic cancer, T. J. Reynolds, a family friend, said.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca was drafted by the Giants in 1957 to replace the All-Pro guard
>>>> Bill
>>>> Austin, who
>>>> planned to retire that year. Austin decided to play another season, and
>>>> the Giants sent
>>>> DeLuca to the Canadian Football League, where he played for three years.
>>>>
>>>> He joined the Los Angeles Chargers when the American Football League was
>>>> founded in 1960
>>>> and started on the Chargers' A.F.L. championship team during the 1963-64
>>>> season before
>>>> returning to New York, this time as a Jet.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca, 6 feet 2 inches and 245 pounds, played his first full season
>>>> with
>>>> the team in
>>>> 1964-65. He became a team captain, and during the 1965 and 1966 seasons
>>>> he
>>>> led the
>>>> offensive line that protected a flashy young quarterback named Joe
>>>> Namath.
>>>>
>>>> But in the final preseason game of 1967-68, one season before Namath
>>>> guaranteed and
>>>> delivered a Jets victory over the Baltimore Colts in Super Bowl III,
>>>> DeLuca sustained a
>>>> knee injury that permanently removed him from the line.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca's injury coincided with a strike by the American Federation of
>>>> Television and Radio
>>>> Artists that kept the two usual Jets commentators, the veteran
>>>> broadcaster
>>>> Merle Harmon
>>>> and the Daily News sports columnist Dick Young, off the air for two
>>>> games.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca covered both games alongside Wally Schwartz, WABC's general
>>>> manager, and proved so
>>>> adept that by spring he was hosting pregame and postgame radio shows for
>>>> the Mets. In time
>>>> he became Harmon's regular color commentator on Jets broadcasts and
>>>> worked
>>>> with him until
>>>> 1972, when he moved to NBC. He retired as a sportscaster in 1988.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca said he missed the excitement and glamour of professional
>>>> football,
>>>> but appreciated
>>>> the consolations of his new job.
>>>>
>>>> "There was less pressure," he said in an interview with a WABC Radio fan
>>>> site. "I found
>>>> that I liked it, because I could go out to dinner the night before a
>>>> road
>>>> game and not
>>>> worry about having to play the next day."
>>>>
>>>> Saverio DeLuca was born in Brooklyn on May 2, 1936. He attended
>>>> Lafayette
>>>> High School with
>>>> the future Dodgers pitching star Sandy Koufax and the future Mets owner
>>>> Fred Wilpon, and
>>>> played for the school's championship football team in 1952.
>>>>
>>>> DeLuca was a third-team all-American guard at the University of South
>>>> Carolina before he
>>>> was drafted by the Giants.
>>>>
>>>> He married Diane Johnson in 1976 and is survived by her, their son, Sam,
>>>> and a son and two
>>>> daughters from a previous marriage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Very sad. It is hard for me to believe he was that old...then I look at
>>> my
>>> driver's license and get a little shock...damn, we are all getting very
>>> old.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Speak for yourself, Pops. I'm never gonna get old, die or see the Jets
>> win a Lombardi. Oh woe is me.<G>
>
> It's called purgatory
>
>
Then I've served my time. Come to think of it, God owes me several
years for all my suffering.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 2:52 am
From: "Papa Carl"
"Johnny Morongo" <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
news:j50u1e$tcj$1@dont-email.me...
> On 9/16/2011 12:31 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>> "Johnny Morongo"<Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
>> news:j4v6dp$hnt$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 9/15/2011 10:44 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>>> "buRford"<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:msn577hcr67e1ap91rjecnn68jsg5a0p1m@4ax.com...
>>>>> Always sad to see a good guy go... lots of memories from when he was
>>>>> doing
>>>>> *color,* on
>>>>> Jets broadcasts. RIP!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> September 15, 2011
>>>>> Sam DeLuca, a Former Jet and Broadcaster, Is Dead at 75
>>>>> By DANIEL E. SLOTNIK
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam DeLuca, a scrappy guard for the Jets in the 1960s who became a
>>>>> broadcaster after a
>>>>> career-ending injury, died Tuesday at his home in Pelham, N.Y. He was
>>>>> 75.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cause was pancreatic cancer, T. J. Reynolds, a family friend,
>>>>> said.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca was drafted by the Giants in 1957 to replace the All-Pro guard
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> Austin, who
>>>>> planned to retire that year. Austin decided to play another season,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the Giants sent
>>>>> DeLuca to the Canadian Football League, where he played for three
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>> He joined the Los Angeles Chargers when the American Football League
>>>>> was
>>>>> founded in 1960
>>>>> and started on the Chargers' A.F.L. championship team during the
>>>>> 1963-64
>>>>> season before
>>>>> returning to New York, this time as a Jet.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca, 6 feet 2 inches and 245 pounds, played his first full season
>>>>> with
>>>>> the team in
>>>>> 1964-65. He became a team captain, and during the 1965 and 1966
>>>>> seasons
>>>>> he
>>>>> led the
>>>>> offensive line that protected a flashy young quarterback named Joe
>>>>> Namath.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in the final preseason game of 1967-68, one season before Namath
>>>>> guaranteed and
>>>>> delivered a Jets victory over the Baltimore Colts in Super Bowl III,
>>>>> DeLuca sustained a
>>>>> knee injury that permanently removed him from the line.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca's injury coincided with a strike by the American Federation of
>>>>> Television and Radio
>>>>> Artists that kept the two usual Jets commentators, the veteran
>>>>> broadcaster
>>>>> Merle Harmon
>>>>> and the Daily News sports columnist Dick Young, off the air for two
>>>>> games.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca covered both games alongside Wally Schwartz, WABC's general
>>>>> manager, and proved so
>>>>> adept that by spring he was hosting pregame and postgame radio shows
>>>>> for
>>>>> the Mets. In time
>>>>> he became Harmon's regular color commentator on Jets broadcasts and
>>>>> worked
>>>>> with him until
>>>>> 1972, when he moved to NBC. He retired as a sportscaster in 1988.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca said he missed the excitement and glamour of professional
>>>>> football,
>>>>> but appreciated
>>>>> the consolations of his new job.
>>>>>
>>>>> "There was less pressure," he said in an interview with a WABC Radio
>>>>> fan
>>>>> site. "I found
>>>>> that I liked it, because I could go out to dinner the night before a
>>>>> road
>>>>> game and not
>>>>> worry about having to play the next day."
>>>>>
>>>>> Saverio DeLuca was born in Brooklyn on May 2, 1936. He attended
>>>>> Lafayette
>>>>> High School with
>>>>> the future Dodgers pitching star Sandy Koufax and the future Mets
>>>>> owner
>>>>> Fred Wilpon, and
>>>>> played for the school's championship football team in 1952.
>>>>>
>>>>> DeLuca was a third-team all-American guard at the University of South
>>>>> Carolina before he
>>>>> was drafted by the Giants.
>>>>>
>>>>> He married Diane Johnson in 1976 and is survived by her, their son,
>>>>> Sam,
>>>>> and a son and two
>>>>> daughters from a previous marriage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Very sad. It is hard for me to believe he was that old...then I look
>>>> at
>>>> my
>>>> driver's license and get a little shock...damn, we are all getting very
>>>> old.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Speak for yourself, Pops. I'm never gonna get old, die or see the Jets
>>> win a Lombardi. Oh woe is me.<G>
>>
>> It's called purgatory
>>
>>
> Then I've served my time. Come to think of it, God owes me several years
> for all my suffering.
When we get to Heaven...it will be Super Sunday every day...and The Jets
win.
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 1:06 am
From: "P-DUB"
Don't know but I wish she goes fucks herself..
"Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:822aec64-dddf-4552-a8a0-29faa9d565e1@n11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right?
I have no idea who Mike is, and I was clearly referencing Ravens fans,
or the Ravens fans on this thread.
>It is perfectly
> obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby"
Ricky Bobby, huh? Sure thing. And who are you - Columbo?
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 9:44 am
From: "R�vNsf�n �"
Now that is sad. Kantou the Killer Snail, Strangeville Stan and JDWeirdOne
all now playing together in P-DUMB's sand-filled head. Being the most recent
of your cowardly nicks, how about you stop "top-posting" so that whomever it
is that you are attempting to communicate with will actually know that you
are attempting to do so. It's only fair that folks have the advanced
opportunity to ignore/killfile you like I give them for myself. Such Usenet
courtesy can work just as well for you as it has for me.
Much appreciated P-DUMBpUTZ
--
~Drew
"Talk is cheap ...lets just play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
"P-DUB" <PeeDUMBpUTZ@AsshOLeBabiesAnonymous.COM> wrote in message
news:j51kdt$ulv$1@dont-email.me...
: Don't know but I wish she goes fucks herself..
: "Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
: news:822aec64-dddf-4552-a8a0-29faa9d565e1@n11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
: On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
: > Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right?
: I have no idea who Mike is, and I was clearly referencing Ravens fans,
: or the Ravens fans on this thread.
:
: >It is perfectly
: > obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby"
:
: Ricky Bobby, huh? Sure thing. And who are you - Columbo?
:
:
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 11:30 am
From: "R�vNsf�n �"
"Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:822aec64-dddf-4552-a8a0-29faa9d565e1@n11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right?
> I have no idea who Mike is, and I was clearly referencing Ravens fans,
> or the Ravens fans on this thread.
I admit that your statement holds water, ...well..., ...it does as long as
noone checks back to see that which you <snipped> from your prior post.
Hmmm... "RaveNsfan" - Mike...? RaveNsfan" - Mike...? For my money, and I'm
making an educated guess here, "Mike" seems a bit generic to me so I'm going
to have to go with the "RaveNsfan" guy over Mike, as the most likely Ravens
fan between these two posters.
So dude, are you "that new" to this Usenet "thingie" that you don't grasp
the concept of posting directly "to the author of the post" in a given
thread that you claim to be referencing? At least you managed to post to
me this time. Being the only Ravens fan in this newsgroup I'd wager I may
have stood out a tad.
59 posts in September thus far doesn't suggest that you are in any way a
"shy" fella and thus you can not be a "newbie" to Usenet. In fact the lack
of any postings associated with your nick, prior to this September, more
than suggests that at a minimum you are nym shifting for some reason. Every
poster has mannerisms that over time act as a sort of "LowJack", that can
aid in identifying anonymous, nym shifting cowards. To aid in your
"perception" please allow me to articulate here, as you visualize, ...that
in your particular case you are as revealing as that shirtless 300 pound
carpenter repairing your rear porch deck last weekend, when quite
unexpectedly he bent over to retrieve his dropped hammer while you were
seated in the deck recliner directly behind him. Yes that was me and yes
again, ...I did catch that familiar "look of approval" on your face you bad
boy.
>It is perfectly
> obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby"
> Ricky Bobby, huh? Sure thing. And who are you - Columbo?
Hardly... it doesn't take a Colombo nor an Eisnstein.
--
~Drew
"Talk is cheap ...lets just play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:51 pm
From: Michael
On Sep 16, 7:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "Se or Patriots" <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
>
> news:12478a0e-e5dd-485f-97ec-704275e6f954@l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 16, 1:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 10:50 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
> > > Ravens "Jarret Johnson" Lays Out Steelers "Hines Ward"
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj0hcW29Pyg
>
> > > A minute representative of the overall vicious beat-down dealt to the
> > > Pittsburgh Steelers by the AFCN leading Baltimore Ravens on Sunday
> > > afternoon
> > > (all afternoon).
>
> > > --
> > > ~Drew
>
> > > "Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
> > > Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
>
> > hines he didnt have that idiotic smile on his face that time... sure
> > enough
> > Are all Ravens fans WWF loving teenagers with anger management
> > issues?
>
> Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right? It is perfectly
> obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby" didn't increase your
> intellectual capabilities. Next time look for a clue, ...like something in a
> poster's nick, ...say... "RavNsfan" for example. That name would probably
> indicate an actual "Ravens fan", whom could better attempt to decode any
> lame-assed Holier Than Thou questions you can come up with, ...just saying.
>
> > Not too impressive. I sincerely hope there are some actual fans out
> > there from Baltimore who have this GAME in perspective.
>
> Se or Patriots? You of course would be the best representative of an "actual
> fan". ehhh... personally I liked you better in your Ricky Bobby costume.
> You would at least be wrong without the superiority complex. Be careful
> Se or Bobby ... that pedastal you climbed up on has sharp corners, ...you
> may well put an eye out when you eventually fall off.
>
> Just so we are clear hombre', the storyline here was that of a cheap-shot
> artist that got his own clock cleaned in response. Also remember... NFL
> football is "sports entertainment". It in no way reflects the genuine game
> played prior to the institution of Super Bowl Sundays, league parody, free
> agency, the tuck rule and fans allowed to referee their own home team's
> games. I believe the emphasis to staying on the posted topic and not reading
> something else into something intended is called maintaining the
> perspective, ...that falls upon you Se or Snooty-pants.
>
> ~Drew
>
> "Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
> Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
Well.... I'm a fan, but I dnt know about the genius part. :-)
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 6:47 pm
From: "R�vNsf�n �"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:453c7d8e-017d-48c2-9ab3-956d27e78ed3@19g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 16, 7:15 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "Se or Patriots" <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
>
> news:12478a0e-e5dd-485f-97ec-704275e6f954@l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 16, 1:30 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 15, 10:50 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
> > > Ravens "Jarret Johnson" Lays Out Steelers "Hines Ward"
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj0hcW29Pyg
>
> > > A minute representative of the overall vicious beat-down dealt to the
> > > Pittsburgh Steelers by the AFCN leading Baltimore Ravens on Sunday
> > > afternoon
> > > (all afternoon).
>
> > > --
> > > ~Drew
>
> > > "Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
> > > Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
>
> > hines he didnt have that idiotic smile on his face that time... sure
> > enough
> > Are all Ravens fans WWF loving teenagers with anger management
> > issues?
>
> Mike happens to be a Jets fan genius but you new that right? It is
> perfectly
> obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby" didn't increase your
> intellectual capabilities. Next time look for a clue, ...like something in
> a
> poster's nick, ...say... "RavNsfan" for example. That name would probably
> indicate an actual "Ravens fan", whom could better attempt to decode any
> lame-assed Holier Than Thou questions you can come up with, ...just
> saying.
>
> > Not too impressive. I sincerely hope there are some actual fans out
> > there from Baltimore who have this GAME in perspective.
>
> Se or Patriots? You of course would be the best representative of an
> "actual
> fan". ehhh... personally I liked you better in your Ricky Bobby costume.
> You would at least be wrong without the superiority complex. Be careful
> Se or Bobby ... that pedastal you climbed up on has sharp corners, ...you
> may well put an eye out when you eventually fall off.
>
> Just so we are clear hombre', the storyline here was that of a cheap-shot
> artist that got his own clock cleaned in response. Also remember... NFL
> football is "sports entertainment". It in no way reflects the genuine game
> played prior to the institution of Super Bowl Sundays, league parody, free
> agency, the tuck rule and fans allowed to referee their own home team's
> games. I believe the emphasis to staying on the posted topic and not
> reading
> something else into something intended is called maintaining the
> perspective, ...that falls upon you Senor Snooty-pants.
>
> ~Drew
>
> "Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
> Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
Well.... I'm a fan, but I dnt know about the genius part. :-)
LMAO ...oh boy... did I leave that one a tad open for self promotional
interpretation or what? Gotta give you props for grabbing that brass ring
when it presented itself . Oh hell, ...go ahead and enjoy, sure as hell
someone will stop by soon enough to offer up their half-empty glass.
Good luck this week after which it will be T-minus 2 weeks ... and counting
; ).
That game is going to rock the house with near, if not equal, intensity as
was experienced at eMpTy Bank on opening day against the Steelers. From our
chronically despised divisional rivals, to our player respected, fan revered
former DC & assist HC. Definitely an emotional roller-coaster, albeit from
the other, more pleasant end of the spectrum.
--
~Drew
"Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 8:21 pm
From: Señor Patriots
On Sep 17, 1:30 pm, "R vNsf n " <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
> >It is perfectly
> > obvious that your switch from "Ricky Bobby"
OK, if you insist, I'm Ricky Bobby and I'm not shy. Now what, Dr.
Phil?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:13 am
From: MZ
On Sep 16, 8:01 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 4:20 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 16, 3:33 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 16, 9:52 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > I guess Raheem Morris better not plan on winning any super bowls
> > > > anytime soon either.
>
> > > What does Morris have to do with cameragate in a strict sense ???
>
> > I referenced Morris because he was recently caught cheating. It was
> > tongue-in-cheek, though not really. :)
>
> > > Belichick's best offense as far as all the media experts were saying
> > > was last season. Unstoppable... Until BB tangled with a coach with
> > > some actual brainpower. The Pats remind me of the German army circa
> > > 1939. They looked great fighting agaisnt opposition that did not want
> > > to fight, or were fighting with horse calvalry. As soon as they ran
> > > up against well equiped and motivated opposition, they didnt look too
> > > swift.
>
> > The '10 offense was good, but the '07 offense broke most relevant
> > records. The Giants stifled them, this is true, but it's hard to make
> > the argument that the '01, '03, or '04 offenses were better. The Pats
> > have simply been a better offensive team post-'06 than pre-'07.
>
> if their defense could get it together, they would win in the playoffs
> again. i'm not sold on the fat albert line or the lb's they have
> now. spike and mayo are good, but they dont have a complete
> defense. IMHO, the seymour-warren-wilfork line backed up by the
> vrabel-bruschi-jr. crew was half the reason they won championships.
> their defense for the past four years has been a never ending work in
> progress...
I think you're mostly right, but I think the problems on D started
before some of these personnel issues. I think their good defenses
left with Romeo.
I agreed with you about fat albert until I saw him play Monday night.
Guy makes Wilfork look like Kenyon Coleman. I thought he was one of
the biggest stories of the night, even though the media isn't talking
about him. On the other side of the coin, Shaun Ellis looked
pedestrian every snap he was on the field.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 12:54 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com
Don't get NFL Network where I am but there are a number of clips at NFL.com at
One notable thing, at least in these clips: the guy never raises his voice.
In one he actually tells his players: "If you make a good play it is all right to feel a little emotion about it. Think how much work and preparation went into being able to make that play. It's OK to feel good, show a little positive feeling about it."
!!! :-)
Coaching is maybe the last profession where people have license to indulge themselves by screaming and cursing at others. After Lombardi, a lot of people took it as practically being a job requirement -- although Lombardi himself said "coaching is teaching" and that his own hot temper was a personality trait that he had to work to control and direct because it could get in the way.
Landry was the Iceman, Walsh was The Professor, they talked their teams to championships. From this it looks like Belichick is in their camp.
"Rah! Rah! Scream! Scream! Curse! Curse!", *not* the key trait in coaching champions.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 1:32 pm
From: "Papa Carl"
<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Don't get NFL Network where I am but there are a number of clips at NFL.com
at
One notable thing, at least in these clips: the guy never raises his voice.
In one he actually tells his players: "If you make a good play it is all
right to feel a little emotion about it. Think how much work and
preparation went into being able to make that play. It's OK to feel good,
show a little positive feeling about it."
!!! :-)
Coaching is maybe the last profession where people have license to indulge
themselves by screaming and cursing at others. After Lombardi, a lot of
people took it as practically being a job requirement -- although Lombardi
himself said "coaching is teaching" and that his own hot temper was a
personality trait that he had to work to control and direct because it could
get in the way.
Landry was the Iceman, Walsh was The Professor, they talked their teams to
championships. From this it looks like Belichick is in their camp.
"Rah! Rah! Scream! Scream! Curse! Curse!", *not* the key trait in coaching
champions.
___________________________________________________________________________________
Could not agree more. Young coaches get emotional...mainly because they
don't know enough and that is where they played the game or saw the game
from. As a coach matures and if they are serious and learn, and learn and
learn more, they shut up and teach. I always felt when you see a high
school team running wind sprints at the end of every practice it is a sing
of the fact the coach has nothing left to say or do. Time is valuable, and
can't be wasted on a practice field...yes, you have to keep them in shape,
but you can do that during the course of practice and during warm ups.
Every minute means something...use it...BB looks like that kind of coach, it
is very, very focused. I loved his comments about guys staying after to
work on skills together...that is a must. Good players learn something and
then want to reinforce it themselves before they leave that field and go
home.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:38 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com
"Jets WR Derrick Mason reacts to exchange with Bill Belichick in NFL Network documentary"
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/09/jets_wr_derrick_mason_reacts_t.html
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:48 pm
From: Michael
On Sep 17, 6:13 am, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 8:01 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 6:15 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 16, 4:20 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 16, 3:33 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 16, 9:52 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > > I guess Raheem Morris better not plan on winning any super bowls
> > > > > anytime soon either.
>
> > > > What does Morris have to do with cameragate in a strict sense ???
>
> > > I referenced Morris because he was recently caught cheating. It was
> > > tongue-in-cheek, though not really. :)
>
> > > > Belichick's best offense as far as all the media experts were saying
> > > > was last season. Unstoppable... Until BB tangled with a coach with
> > > > some actual brainpower. The Pats remind me of the German army circa
> > > > 1939. They looked great fighting agaisnt opposition that did not want
> > > > to fight, or were fighting with horse calvalry. As soon as they ran
> > > > up against well equiped and motivated opposition, they didnt look too
> > > > swift.
>
> > > The '10 offense was good, but the '07 offense broke most relevant
> > > records. The Giants stifled them, this is true, but it's hard to make
> > > the argument that the '01, '03, or '04 offenses were better. The Pats
> > > have simply been a better offensive team post-'06 than pre-'07.
>
> > if their defense could get it together, they would win in the playoffs
> > again. i'm not sold on the fat albert line or the lb's they have
> > now. spike and mayo are good, but they dont have a complete
> > defense. IMHO, the seymour-warren-wilfork line backed up by the
> > vrabel-bruschi-jr. crew was half the reason they won championships.
> > their defense for the past four years has been a never ending work in
> > progress...
>
> I think you're mostly right, but I think the problems on D started
> before some of these personnel issues. I think their good defenses
> left with Romeo.
>
> I agreed with you about fat albert until I saw him play Monday night.
> Guy makes Wilfork look like Kenyon Coleman. I thought he was one of
> the biggest stories of the night, even though the media isn't talking
> about him. On the other side of the coin, Shaun Ellis looked
> pedestrian every snap he was on the field.
Haynesworth got a 100mm contract at one point, so there has to be
somthng there, I would guess. If he plas as good as he has in the
past it has he potential of being the best fa move of the season
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 5:19 pm
From: "Papa Carl"
<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:11342208.637.1316299090095.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqnk41...
> "Jets WR Derrick Mason reacts to exchange with Bill Belichick in NFL
> Network documentary"
>
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/09/jets_wr_derrick_mason_reacts_t.html
Mason should keep his freakin mouth shut. Do something..play football
first. He looks horrendous to me and he looks like a guy going through the
motions, don't see much effort.
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TOPIC: A Woodhead moment that Jets and Patriots fans can savor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/eeda075f41d10ea7?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 11:55 am
From: Señor Patriots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 12:35 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Señor Patriots wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
>
> I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.
"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
-- Joe Theismann
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 1:06 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"
<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:2976732.385.1316288150724.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Se�or Patriots wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
>
> I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.
"Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman
Einstein."
-- Joe Theismann
================================================================
And that's why we love Joe.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 2:14 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:06:46 PM UTC-4, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:2976732.385.1316288150724.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Se�or Patriots wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
> >
> > I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> > room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> > hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
>
> Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.
>
> "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman
> Einstein."
>
> -- Joe Theismann
>
>
> ================================================================
>
> And that's why we love Joe.
Perhaps getting way off topic, but all this got me looking for some famous sport quotes, and here's a list with some pretty damn entertaining ones on it.
http://www.sportshollywood.com/dumbquotes.html
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 2:52 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, oldn...@mindspring.com wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:06:46 PM UTC-4, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> > <old...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:2976732.385.1316288150724.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> > On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Se�or Patriots wrote:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
> > >
> > > I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> > > room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> > > hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
> >
> > Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.
> >
> > "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman
> > Einstein."
> >
> > -- Joe Theismann
> >
> >
> > ================================================================
> >
> > And that's why we love Joe.
>
> Perhaps getting way off topic, but all this got me looking for some famous sport quotes, and here's a list with some pretty damn entertaining ones on it.
>
> http://www.sportshollywood.com/dumbquotes.html
A new from this week, just seen:
"A lot of us majored in eligibility" -- Warren Sapp, remembering college days.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:54 pm
From: "yoyodog"
Sorry to burst your bubble but that was first posted last year prior to the
Jets/Pats playoff game
"Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:2b063327-268c-4700-a136-dce925b507f6@k7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
>
> I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 4:00 pm
From: cloud dreamer
On 17/09/2011 8:24 PM, yoyodog wrote:
> Sorry to burst your bubble but that was first posted last year prior to
> the Jets/Pats playoff game
You're not bursting anyone's bubble. It's irrelevant when it was first
posted. Really, who cares if it's from last January. It's still funny.
..
>
> "Se�or Patriots" <paul.leblanc@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
> news:2b063327-268c-4700-a136-dce925b507f6@k7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
>>
>> I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
>> room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
>> hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
>
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 5:16 pm
From: "Papa Carl"
<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:9196123.1069.1316296341097.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqef5...
On Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, oldn...@mindspring.com
wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:06:46 PM UTC-4, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> > <old...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:2976732.385.1316288150724.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> > On Saturday, September 17, 2011 2:55:11 PM UTC-4, Se�or Patriots
> > wrote:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fSnIbpt5qA&feature=related
> > >
> > > I've heard of cracking up the room, but this is laying waste to the
> > > room. This is reducing the room to blithering maniacs, with howls,
> > > hoots, gasping for breath, and tears.
> >
> > Pretty funny, but those guys really like to laugh.
> >
> > "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like
> > Norman
> > Einstein."
> >
> > -- Joe Theismann
> >
> >
> > ================================================================
> >
> > And that's why we love Joe.
>
> Perhaps getting way off topic, but all this got me looking for some famous
> sport quotes, and here's a list with some pretty damn entertaining ones on
> it.
>
> http://www.sportshollywood.com/dumbquotes.html
A new from this week, just seen:
"A lot of us majored in eligibility" -- Warren Sapp, remembering college
days.
___________________________________________________________
I took that course one summer. The summer before my senior yeat. My junior
year was a LOT of fun.
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 8:14 pm
From: Señor Patriots
On Sep 17, 6:00 pm, cloud dreamer <dont.at...@the.messengers> wrote:
> On 17/09/2011 8:24 PM, yoyodog wrote:
>
> > Sorry to burst your bubble but that was first posted last year prior to
> > the Jets/Pats playoff game
>
> You're not bursting anyone's bubble. It's irrelevant when it was first
> posted. Really, who cares if it's from last January. It's still funny.
>
> ..
I must admit that I didn't bother looking at the date stamp. I must
also admit to watching certain reruns of Monty Python, or George
Carlin, or Dennis Leary, or Billy Connolly over and over. I never
tire of them. I saved this Theisman moment too.
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TOPIC: Sacks: the fault of the OL or QB?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5bb8c30243b5725e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 3:07 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com
This article says the QB holding the ball over three seconds determines the difference.
~~
... The median sack time has hovered between 2.7 and 2.8 seconds throughout the two years of the tracking...
Roethlisberger, Michael Vick, Colt McCoy and Joe Flacco join Cutler in picking up plenty of sacks that really shouldn't be blamed on the offensive line...
Over the past offseason we logged the time of pass for all Steelers pass attempts in 2010. Since Roethlisberger is considered to be prime example of a quarterback who creates big plays by holding the ball and escaping sacks, his statistics are useful.
In Roethlisberger's case, his sack percentage (the percentage of pass plays that results in sacks) doubled when he held the ball for longer than three seconds -- seven percent for passes of 2.1 to 3.0 seconds, 14 percent for passes that took between 3.1 and 4.0 seconds.
Interestingly, his quarterback rating, yards per attempt and first down percentage all dipped when he held the ball for more than three seconds, so it's difficult to say that holding the ball longer really pays off for Roethlisberger.
On the other end of the spectrum, when the Colts lost Peyton Manning to a neck injury, they not only lost one of the best quarterbacks in the league, but they also lost a quarterback who could make their offensive line's potential weaknesses seem to disappear.
Over the past two years, Manning has been sacked only 26 times. When you look at sacks that are created by a quarterback holding the ball too long, however, Manning is even more exceptional. No other quarterback can top Manning's four sacks of three-plus seconds in 1,250 pass attempts (0.32 percent of attempts).
[Table for all QBs for 2009 and 2010 -- Sanchez is near the exact middle of them all]
LONGEST SACK OF THE WEEK
There were four sacks which took six seconds or longer ...
Tony Romo's 6.0-second sack is the one that may be most remembered: it came on the play where he attempted to dive for the end zone from the Jets 3-yard line. He lost the ball before he landed, didn't make it to the end zone and gave the Jets a second chance...
http://footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure
~~~~~
"One potato, two potato, three potato, **throw the damn ball, Tony!**", ... starting week #2. :-)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 17 2011 4:11 pm
From: "Papa Carl"
<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:552708.509.1316297224818.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
This article says the QB holding the ball over three seconds determines the
difference.
~~
... The median sack time has hovered between 2.7 and 2.8 seconds throughout
the two years of the tracking...
Roethlisberger, Michael Vick, Colt McCoy and Joe Flacco join Cutler in
picking up plenty of sacks that really shouldn't be blamed on the offensive
line...
Over the past offseason we logged the time of pass for all Steelers pass
attempts in 2010. Since Roethlisberger is considered to be prime example of
a quarterback who creates big plays by holding the ball and escaping sacks,
his statistics are useful.
In Roethlisberger�s case, his sack percentage (the percentage of pass plays
that results in sacks) doubled when he held the ball for longer than three
seconds -- seven percent for passes of 2.1 to 3.0 seconds, 14 percent for
passes that took between 3.1 and 4.0 seconds.
Interestingly, his quarterback rating, yards per attempt and first down
percentage all dipped when he held the ball for more than three seconds, so
it�s difficult to say that holding the ball longer really pays off for
Roethlisberger.
On the other end of the spectrum, when the Colts lost Peyton Manning to a
neck injury, they not only lost one of the best quarterbacks in the league,
but they also lost a quarterback who could make their offensive line's
potential weaknesses seem to disappear.
Over the past two years, Manning has been sacked only 26 times. When you
look at sacks that are created by a quarterback holding the ball too long,
however, Manning is even more exceptional. No other quarterback can top
Manning�s four sacks of three-plus seconds in 1,250 pass attempts (0.32
percent of attempts).
[Table for all QBs for 2009 and 2010 -- Sanchez is near the exact middle of
them all]
LONGEST SACK OF THE WEEK
There were four sacks which took six seconds or longer ...
Tony Romo's 6.0-second sack is the one that may be most remembered: it came
on the play where he attempted to dive for the end zone from the Jets 3-yard
line. He lost the ball before he landed, didn't make it to the end zone and
gave the Jets a second chance...
http://footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure
~~~~~
"One potato, two potato, three potato, **throw the damn ball, Tony!**", ...
starting week #2. :-)
__________________________________________________________________________________
This is way too simplistic..extremely so. We need to examine each play, the
steps in the drop, the development of the play. And a QB who is seeing
pressure almost immediately after the snap will not react the same way as
when the protection execution is in tact from the start. Essentially, the
guy needs to be able to get into his drop as designed. Cutler is the one
I'd say is a huge problem though...Vick tries too hard at times and keeps
trying to buy time. But, Vick's mechanics are excellent even when he is
avoiding things. I think a lot of these statistics are generated just to
generate a number...they don't really mean anything, each play needs to be
analyzed to see what is going on.
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