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* Why Wasn't Mangold Immediately Receiving Treatment? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/237b77ec485c1c36?hl=en
* Blah, blah, blah... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/32febad120f7dd42?hl=en
* I really hate this offense... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e85f65bbb211f58b?hl=en
* Re-Vamp The O-line - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4d3a0c340598656d?hl=en
* Cromartie - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5fe2b6fe20140ff1?hl=en
* Colin Baxter - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* Jets have an important advantage over Raiders... - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Bullshit call - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Bills-Fitz - 5 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Why Wasn't Mangold Immediately Receiving Treatment?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/237b77ec485c1c36?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 19 2011 10:14 pm
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <pbidnR6AAeAKJ-rTnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Papa Carl" <papa.carl@verizon.net> wrote:
> "JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:19bd4226-64cf-4d3c-843b-89efe9605d59@z18g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >I know little about treating injuries ... but they shouldn't the Jets
> > have started R.I.C.E. or whatever immediately after the injury? Why
> > was Mangold standing on the sideline instead of receiving treatment in
> > the trainer's room?
> >
> > Doesn't controlling inflammation immediately speed up the process of
> > healing?
> >
> > Does anyone have any insights on this?
>
> The inflamation comes later...a few hours afterwards...then you put the ice
> and such...they know what they are doing. The Jets docs and ortho guys are
> the best there is in the game.
Actually, if one waits for the swelling, it is too late. Ice should be
applied immediately to keep the swelling as low as possible. As much as
the injured location can tolerate. Also, till good to have the injured
leg (or arm) elevated.
When it was clear that Mangold was injured more than a little, he should
have been iced and the ankle/back of the leg, elevated.
harlan
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 2:52 am
From: "Papa Carl"
"Harlan Lachman" <harlan@eeivt.com> wrote in message
news:harlan-64B7AA.01145220092011@news60.forteinc.com...
> In article <pbidnR6AAeAKJ-rTnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Papa Carl" <papa.carl@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> "JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:19bd4226-64cf-4d3c-843b-89efe9605d59@z18g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> >I know little about treating injuries ... but they shouldn't the Jets
>> > have started R.I.C.E. or whatever immediately after the injury? Why
>> > was Mangold standing on the sideline instead of receiving treatment in
>> > the trainer's room?
>> >
>> > Doesn't controlling inflammation immediately speed up the process of
>> > healing?
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any insights on this?
>>
>> The inflamation comes later...a few hours afterwards...then you put the
>> ice
>> and such...they know what they are doing. The Jets docs and ortho guys
>> are
>> the best there is in the game.
>
> Actually, if one waits for the swelling, it is too late. Ice should be
> applied immediately to keep the swelling as low as possible. As much as
> the injured location can tolerate. Also, till good to have the injured
> leg (or arm) elevated.
>
> When it was clear that Mangold was injured more than a little, he should
> have been iced and the ankle/back of the leg, elevated.
>
> harlan
And I believe that was the case....he kept getting back up on his own I
think. High Sprains are tough though...often they do not swell, don't look
bad and don't hurt till you try and do something other than minimal standing
or walking. But...they can take forever to heal and cause a long, long term
problem that is nagging rather than chronic. At least that was my
experience...especially when my son had one playing in college. He didn't
even start to hurt much till much later at night. He came out of the game,
got back in for a while and then out again. It happened near the end of the
game, he ran into problems later that night when he'd been down for a while
and got back up. That was my personal experience too...but it's so long ago
I really don't remember :-) And...the coach probably told me to walk it off
and get tough.
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TOPIC: Blah, blah, blah...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/32febad120f7dd42?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 5:39 am
From: MZ
On Sep 19, 4:16 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 13, 6:40 pm, Señor Patriots <paul.lebl...@bluebottle.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 13, 12:24 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> Every season, it's the same ol' thing...
> > > The Pats are the greatest team, in the history of all sports... blah, blah, blah.
> > > Belichick, Brady... blah, blah, blah.
> > > The system... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > > Obviously, Brady's great, & they have a great O design, but the rest, outside of a few
> > > great players... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > > What has it been, 4 or 5 years since they won anything, yet... blah, blah, blah.
>
> > > I just laugh at it.
>
> > > Real greatness has become so diluted, in this "Pundit" focused Media-age.
>
> > It would be revealing to know how you define greatness. Apparently
> > the most regular season wins, most playoff wins, most SB trophies and
> > most NFL records for a QB/Coach tandem surviving a ten year period
> > doesn't impress you. So what does impress you? Are you watching the
> > same sport I'm watching?
>
> > If you're arguing that you're sick in the belly of the media attention
> > then I can agree with that sentiment. I agree 100%. It's an
> > embarrassment to humanity. I think the attention is way overblown for
> > all of these guys and teams. It's not real life. It's a game.
>
> > In the context of a game, though, and in discussing facts and numbers
> > and records, I don't see another team in the league that compares for
> > the last decade (which would be the most relevant decade, I would
> > assume). I would also put the Colts and Steelers in the greatness
> > category over that time, but they did not win three and have the best
> > overall record and set all those NFL records. So, I have to say that
> > if there is a Gold Standard in the NFL, you be looking at it up in
> > Foxboro.
>
> Much of which achieved while likely cheating in a major way. James
> Harrison and others have also said as much.
>
> One cannot definitively say the Pats had great success pre-SpyGate
> without the aid of cheating. Sorry, that's just reality. Post SpyGate
> the Pats have always flamed out in the postseason. Coincidence or not?
So they only cheated during the postseason?
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TOPIC: I really hate this offense...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e85f65bbb211f58b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 6:00 am
From: John C TX
On Sep 19, 7:15 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:4159f95e-fd30-4c5a-8066-a4357d045a01@s3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 19, 4:44 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:dc43392b-e794-4709-aa2b-de9ac6696aa7@g30g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 18, 6:51 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:21d4dc56-a764-466d-bb39-6c823e7e0f90@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> > > > It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> > > > situation.
>
> > > > Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT
> > > > run,
> > > > for a 3-yd loss.
>
> > > > Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much
> > > > more
> > > > mature out there,
> > > > & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez
> > > > just
> > > > aint getting
> > > > much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> > > > They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
>
> > > agreed. But the first drive was outstanding. Now, that said, let'd
> > > enjoy this win and enjoy what looks to be a real nice season ahead.
> > > Would hate this forum to become *exclusively* a bitching and moaning
> > > horror show again. TOday was a convincing and dominating win. Far
> > > short of perfection which will NEVER happen.
>
> > > There were some very nice moments. And...I think Sanchez looked really
> > > good
> > > when he was getting it done...better than the past.
>
> > Papa, if he would just relax. He is more dangerous when he has a
> > little success. The first pick he had 2-3 guys that would have gotten
> > him the first down.
>
> > He & the OL buried themselves but if he would have taken a deep breath
> > twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
> > string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
> > on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
>
> > 1. Injury to Mangold
> > 2. Hunter...could switch one and two
> > 3. The OC
> > 4. Sanchez who is taught and controlled by the OC
>
> > Look at the plays & maybe changing it here & there may have helped but
> > unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
> > issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>
> >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>
> > Fixed it....see above. Yes...as I have said many times...Sanchez is weak
> > at
> > times, many times and has flaws...but the only OC he has ever had is an
> > idiot. He does not have the comfort of developing behind an O line that
> > protects, or a program with continuity and he got thrown into the mix too
> > early...I don't see how much more can be expected of him...he is not Cam
> > Newton.
>
> We disagree I am shocked.
>
> :)
>
> If he doesn't throw those two picks we are up big & he is on the bench
> resting for the 4 Q. Maybe it is Schott but he was not under pressure
> for the int's. I can partially agree as Mangold could be a bigger
> deal.
>
> The one thing I did notice was this. If we started with 1st & 10 &
> had no penalties every drive but one lead (int) to points. I know it
> is tough to do but he has issues with 20+ yards for 1st downs.
> ________________________________________________________________
>
> Look, I agree...but I don't think he is that good to start out with...and
> the only "teacher" he has had at this level is someone I find to be very
> flawed. I do not compare him to the "greats" not a Brady, Manning or any
> past great...compare him to the other young QB's who are doing really
> well...yes, they make big mistakes too..but their upside tends to be much
> brighter and when I look at why that is I often come to the only conclusion
> I can...the type of offense he is playing in causes problems for any
> QB...including guys like Favre. But...do I think Sanchez was the best
> choice they could have made...Hell no.
One game isn't a trend but if they an keep the penalty count low on
offense that would appear to help the QB & or the OC if your hunch is
correct.
The Mangold stuff is a worry. I watched Ryan's press conference from
11:30 -12:00 & wasn't sure if that was post game (probably not as it
was 30 minutes long) & he was talking about the young center.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 12:52 pm
From: "Papa Carl"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:199ef07b-893a-4e81-9d87-adf2ec085383@c22g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 19, 7:15 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:4159f95e-fd30-4c5a-8066-a4357d045a01@s3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 19, 4:44 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:dc43392b-e794-4709-aa2b-de9ac6696aa7@g30g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 18, 6:51 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:21d4dc56-a764-466d-bb39-6c823e7e0f90@s20g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 18, 2:23 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > > It's so frustrating... there's no point to it.
> > > > It's just like whatever play he wants to run, he runs, no matter the
> > > > situation.
>
> > > > Shonn Greene runs for 10 yards on 1st down, so next play he has LT
> > > > run,
> > > > for a 3-yd loss.
>
> > > > Funny about Sanchez... he's thrown 2 bad INTs, but he looks so much
> > > > more
> > > > mature out there,
> > > > & in-control of things. Hunter's really having trouble. And Sanchez
> > > > just
> > > > aint getting
> > > > much time to throw. Of course, Mangold's injury doesn't help.
> > > > They really have to do more play-action... and more rushing Shonn.
>
> > > agreed. But the first drive was outstanding. Now, that said, let'd
> > > enjoy this win and enjoy what looks to be a real nice season ahead.
> > > Would hate this forum to become *exclusively* a bitching and moaning
> > > horror show again. TOday was a convincing and dominating win. Far
> > > short of perfection which will NEVER happen.
>
> > > There were some very nice moments. And...I think Sanchez looked really
> > > good
> > > when he was getting it done...better than the past.
>
> > Papa, if he would just relax. He is more dangerous when he has a
> > little success. The first pick he had 2-3 guys that would have gotten
> > him the first down.
>
> > He & the OL buried themselves but if he would have taken a deep breath
> > twice we are up by 10-14 more at half time. The center struggled (3rd
> > string so no surprise) and that contributed but to blame play calling
> > on this makes little sense. The problems in this order were:
>
> > 1. Injury to Mangold
> > 2. Hunter...could switch one and two
> > 3. The OC
> > 4. Sanchez who is taught and controlled by the OC
>
> > Look at the plays & maybe changing it here & there may have helped but
> > unforced int's when you have options that are open is not a tactical
> > issue it is a young dopey QB trying to be the man.
>
> >http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20110918020&page=plays
>
> > Fixed it....see above. Yes...as I have said many times...Sanchez is weak
> > at
> > times, many times and has flaws...but the only OC he has ever had is an
> > idiot. He does not have the comfort of developing behind an O line that
> > protects, or a program with continuity and he got thrown into the mix
> > too
> > early...I don't see how much more can be expected of him...he is not Cam
> > Newton.
>
> We disagree I am shocked.
>
> :)
>
> If he doesn't throw those two picks we are up big & he is on the bench
> resting for the 4 Q. Maybe it is Schott but he was not under pressure
> for the int's. I can partially agree as Mangold could be a bigger
> deal.
>
> The one thing I did notice was this. If we started with 1st & 10 &
> had no penalties every drive but one lead (int) to points. I know it
> is tough to do but he has issues with 20+ yards for 1st downs.
> ________________________________________________________________
>
> Look, I agree...but I don't think he is that good to start out with...and
> the only "teacher" he has had at this level is someone I find to be very
> flawed. I do not compare him to the "greats" not a Brady, Manning or any
> past great...compare him to the other young QB's who are doing really
> well...yes, they make big mistakes too..but their upside tends to be much
> brighter and when I look at why that is I often come to the only
> conclusion
> I can...the type of offense he is playing in causes problems for any
> QB...including guys like Favre. But...do I think Sanchez was the best
> choice they could have made...Hell no.
One game isn't a trend but if they an keep the penalty count low on
offense that would appear to help the QB & or the OC if your hunch is
correct.
The Mangold stuff is a worry. I watched Ryan's press conference from
11:30 -12:00 & wasn't sure if that was post game (probably not as it
was 30 minutes long) & he was talking about the young center.
_______________________________________________________________
My son was a running back who could block and carry the ball...so he took a
lot of hits. He played through all kinds of stuff and even carried the ball
over 25 times in a championship game with a broken hand...but the nagging
thing that kept bothering him one year was a high ankle sprain. He's seem
great, able to begin to run etc. And then when he had to do "football" type
work on it...bad news again. Mangold could be a big issue.
I watched Sam Bradford last night, and Cam Newton from Sunday, and Matt
Stafford...they are young QB's who have major potential...AND...LOOK at the
offenses they play in. Right now, Bradford has none of the talent to throw
to the Jets have and he looks good. Still...I'm not giving up on
Sanchez...if you watch football I don't see how anyone can not see the
differences in the offenses of these successful young QB's and the hodge
podge mess the Jets run. Continuity and scheme benefit a young
QB...AND...they need to put a really good O line in front of them...I think
that is a bigger problem because of the lock out...O lines need time to work
together. Lots of variables.
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TOPIC: Re-Vamp The O-line
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 7:52 am
From: Michael
I had a chance to watch a recording of the Jets-Jags game. Hunter is
a diasaster. They need to get him off of the field. Appart from a
few very understandable mistakes, that new center, Baxter appears to
be able to do the job, so I am not as worried now about not having
Mangold for a few weeks. Once Baxter has a cance to prep this week in
practice, he'll probably do a good job of it.
I'm wondering what they can do to get Hunter off the Field. May be
put that kid they got from GB, Schlauderaff in at the LG spot and put
Slauson in at RT. IMHO, I dont think Slauson's *slow feet* excludes
him from being able to do a much better job at RT than Hunter does.
Slauson plated RT at the college level as well as the center...
Bottom line... They gotta think a bit, may be shuffle things around
and get Hunter off of that line. He stright up can not play the
position at this point. That was not Demarcus Ware he was going
against last Sunday.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 8:34 am
From: John C TX
X-No-Archive: Yes
> I had a chance to watch a recording of the Jets-Jags game. Hunter is
> a diasaster. They need to get him off of the field. Appart from a
> few very understandable mistakes, that new center, Baxter appears to
> be able to do the job, so I am not as worried now about not having
> Mangold for a few weeks. Once Baxter has a cance to prep this week in
> practice, he'll probably do a good job of it.
I felt slightly better that he had never snapped the ball to Sanchez
before although I do wonder why that was the case. I have hope but
still am worried.
>
> I'm wondering what they can do to get Hunter off the Field. May be
> put that kid they got from GB, Schlauderaff in at the LG spot and put
> Slauson in at RT. IMHO, I dont think Slauson's *slow feet* excludes
> him from being able to do a much better job at RT than Hunter does.
> Slauson plated RT at the college level as well as the center...
You may weaken two positions. They also may want the little
experience Slausson brings to the table with a rookie next to him.
> Bottom line... They gotta think a bit, may be shuffle things around
> and get Hunter off of that line. He stright up can not play the
> position at this point. That was not Demarcus Ware he was going
> against last Sunday.
We will see how good Callahan is over the next few weeks.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 9:14 am
From: Michael
On Sep 20, 11:34 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > I had a chance to watch a recording of the Jets-Jags game. Hunter is
> > a diasaster. They need to get him off of the field. Appart from a
> > few very understandable mistakes, that new center, Baxter appears to
> > be able to do the job, so I am not as worried now about not having
> > Mangold for a few weeks. Once Baxter has a cance to prep this week in
> > practice, he'll probably do a good job of it.
>
> I felt slightly better that he had never snapped the ball to Sanchez
> before although I do wonder why that was the case. I have hope but
> still am worried.
>
>
>
> > I'm wondering what they can do to get Hunter off the Field. May be
> > put that kid they got from GB, Schlauderaff in at the LG spot and put
> > Slauson in at RT. IMHO, I dont think Slauson's *slow feet* excludes
> > him from being able to do a much better job at RT than Hunter does.
> > Slauson plated RT at the college level as well as the center...
>
> You may weaken two positions. They also may want the little
> experience Slausson brings to the table with a rookie next to him.
>
> > Bottom line... They gotta think a bit, may be shuffle things around
> > and get Hunter off of that line. He stright up can not play the
> > position at this point. That was not Demarcus Ware he was going
> > against last Sunday.
>
> We will see how good Callahan is over the next few weeks.
i was thiking the same thing... I REALY hope that Rex lests the o-line
arrangment sit with Callahan. I think he is a capable coach.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 1:09 pm
From: "Papa Carl"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:26562db3-0b1a-4290-9520-c211dd325ffe@ge10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 20, 11:34 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > I had a chance to watch a recording of the Jets-Jags game. Hunter is
> > a diasaster. They need to get him off of the field. Appart from a
> > few very understandable mistakes, that new center, Baxter appears to
> > be able to do the job, so I am not as worried now about not having
> > Mangold for a few weeks. Once Baxter has a cance to prep this week in
> > practice, he'll probably do a good job of it.
>
> I felt slightly better that he had never snapped the ball to Sanchez
> before although I do wonder why that was the case. I have hope but
> still am worried.
>
>
>
> > I'm wondering what they can do to get Hunter off the Field. May be
> > put that kid they got from GB, Schlauderaff in at the LG spot and put
> > Slauson in at RT. IMHO, I dont think Slauson's *slow feet* excludes
> > him from being able to do a much better job at RT than Hunter does.
> > Slauson plated RT at the college level as well as the center...
>
> You may weaken two positions. They also may want the little
> experience Slausson brings to the table with a rookie next to him.
>
> > Bottom line... They gotta think a bit, may be shuffle things around
> > and get Hunter off of that line. He stright up can not play the
> > position at this point. That was not Demarcus Ware he was going
> > against last Sunday.
>
> We will see how good Callahan is over the next few weeks.
i was thiking the same thing... I REALY hope that Rex lests the o-line
arrangment sit with Callahan. I think he is a capable coach.
___________________________________________________________
Well....I've always thought the two units that need to play together as a
cohesive group the most are D backs and O line. And...O line is always the
most under examinded group on ANY team. They tend to only get really looked
at or appreciated when things go badly. Now...my opinion is they need to
look at who is on the roster now...who has looked good and is not a starter
in a position where there may be some depth and make a trade. They have got
to bring in another capable O lineman. I'm not sure who is ultimately
responsible for the mess they are in...but somebody had to know Hunter was
this bad...and the rest other than Mangold and Brick are journeymen at
best...what the Hell were they thinking? Make a trade NOW ! Somebody out
there needs something they have one extra of.
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TOPIC: Cromartie
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5fe2b6fe20140ff1?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 8:30 am
From: John C TX
I hate seeing a starting player running back kicks but at 42.5 yards a
return last week & 27.5 he gives the other team something to think
about.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 9:11 am
From: Michael
On Sep 20, 11:30 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hate seeing a starting player running back kicks but at 42.5 yards a
> return last week & 27.5 he gives the other team something to think
> about.
I am glad I settled on a "Cromartie" jersey to wear this season... I
had a feeling he was going to have a good year for the Jets... Not to
mention the nice things he said about Tom Brady... My Gastineau throw
back is staying in the closet this season.
Go 31 !!!
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 11:21 am
From: John C TX
On Sep 20, 11:11 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 11:30 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I hate seeing a starting player running back kicks but at 42.5 yards a
> > return last week & 27.5 he gives the other team something to think
> > about.
>
> I am glad I settled on a "Cromartie" jersey to wear this season... I
> had a feeling he was going to have a good year for the Jets... Not to
> mention the nice things he said about Tom Brady... My Gastineau throw
> back is staying in the closet this season.
>
> Go 31 !!!
I would be afraid of getting served with a paternity suit.
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TOPIC: Colin Baxter
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/9720352c9c4b510c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 8:33 am
From: CaptMyng
Colin Baxter Scouting Report
Projected Draft Position
by FFToolbox Writers
Matt De Lima's 5/11 Mock Draft Not selected
Position: C
School & Year/Status: Arizona - Senior
Jersey Number: #64
Height & Weight: 6'4 - 295 lbs.
2011 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
Colin Baxter, C, Arizona
For Four years Colin Baxter has been the unsung hero for Arizona's
offense. After redshirting in 2006 and beginning the 2007 campaign as
a backup, Baxter has been a staple in the Wildcats' starting lineup.
Even as a redshirt freshman in 2007, it did not take Baxter long to
earn a starting role and he ended up starting the final 11 games of
the season. Like the 2007 campaign, Baxter again started the 2008
season at the left guard spot. However an injury to then center Blake
Kerley forced Baxter into the middle of the line for the final nine
games of the season.
Baxter performed so well at the center spot that he never left. In
2009 he was a second-team All-Pac-10 honoree following his honorable
mention accolades a year earlier. By 2010 he was earning even more
accolades and was a Rimington Trophy Award finalist. Baxter's
collegiate career ended on a sour note as he was sidelined with a knee
injury for ASU's Alamo Bowl appearance against Oklahoma State.
It is hard to find any player with more starting experience than
Baxter. He may not be the best center out there in any single
category, but he is a smart player who can quickly learn to run an
offense from under center. His versatility to move over and play some
guard is not a bad thing either. Baxter's future is likely at center
and a team that needs depth at that position right away will pick up
Baxter late in the draft.
Last Updated Apr-10-2011 by Joel Welser
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 9:13 am
From: Michael
On Sep 20, 11:33 am, CaptMyng <dfu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Colin Baxter Scouting Report
> Projected Draft Position
> by FFToolbox Writers
> Matt De Lima's 5/11 Mock Draft Not selected
> Position: C
> School & Year/Status: Arizona - Senior
> Jersey Number: #64
> Height & Weight: 6'4 - 295 lbs.
>
> 2011 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
> Colin Baxter, C, Arizona
> For Four years Colin Baxter has been the unsung hero for Arizona's
> offense. After redshirting in 2006 and beginning the 2007 campaign as
> a backup, Baxter has been a staple in the Wildcats' starting lineup.
> Even as a redshirt freshman in 2007, it did not take Baxter long to
> earn a starting role and he ended up starting the final 11 games of
> the season. Like the 2007 campaign, Baxter again started the 2008
> season at the left guard spot. However an injury to then center Blake
> Kerley forced Baxter into the middle of the line for the final nine
> games of the season.
>
> Baxter performed so well at the center spot that he never left. In
> 2009 he was a second-team All-Pac-10 honoree following his honorable
> mention accolades a year earlier. By 2010 he was earning even more
> accolades and was a Rimington Trophy Award finalist. Baxter's
> collegiate career ended on a sour note as he was sidelined with a knee
> injury for ASU's Alamo Bowl appearance against Oklahoma State.
>
> It is hard to find any player with more starting experience than
> Baxter. He may not be the best center out there in any single
> category, but he is a smart player who can quickly learn to run an
> offense from under center. His versatility to move over and play some
> guard is not a bad thing either. Baxter's future is likely at center
> and a team that needs depth at that position right away will pick up
> Baxter late in the draft.
>
> Last Updated Apr-10-2011 by Joel Welser
thanx for posting... i was saying in an earlier post... after watching
baxter play at center, he really looked like he had the tools... great
scouting by the jets... he looks like a real find. i am not so worried
now about mangold being out for a few weeks...
IMHO, Hunter is the guy they need to get off the field
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 12:34 pm
From: buRford
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:33:58 -0700 (PDT), CaptMyng <dfusco@gmail.com> wrote:
>Colin Baxter Scouting Report
>Projected Draft Position
>by FFToolbox Writers
>Matt De Lima's 5/11 Mock Draft Not selected
>Position: C
>School & Year/Status: Arizona - Senior
>Jersey Number: #64
>Height & Weight: 6'4 - 295 lbs.
>
>2011 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
>Colin Baxter, C, Arizona
>For Four years Colin Baxter has been the unsung hero for Arizona's
>offense. After redshirting in 2006 and beginning the 2007 campaign as
>a backup, Baxter has been a staple in the Wildcats' starting lineup.
>Even as a redshirt freshman in 2007, it did not take Baxter long to
>earn a starting role and he ended up starting the final 11 games of
>the season. Like the 2007 campaign, Baxter again started the 2008
>season at the left guard spot. However an injury to then center Blake
>Kerley forced Baxter into the middle of the line for the final nine
>games of the season.
>
>Baxter performed so well at the center spot that he never left. In
>2009 he was a second-team All-Pac-10 honoree following his honorable
>mention accolades a year earlier. By 2010 he was earning even more
>accolades and was a Rimington Trophy Award finalist. Baxter's
>collegiate career ended on a sour note as he was sidelined with a knee
>injury for ASU's Alamo Bowl appearance against Oklahoma State.
>
>It is hard to find any player with more starting experience than
>Baxter. He may not be the best center out there in any single
>category, but he is a smart player who can quickly learn to run an
>offense from under center. His versatility to move over and play some
>guard is not a bad thing either. Baxter's future is likely at center
>and a team that needs depth at that position right away will pick up
>Baxter late in the draft.
>
>Last Updated Apr-10-2011 by Joel Welser
He certainly did an admirable job on Sunday.
He seems to be a bit light, though... he'll need to bulk up.
But overall, if he's able to improve at all, this one was a good pick-up by management.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 11:36 am
From: Ritchie
On Sep 20, 12:13 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Sep 20, 11:33 am, CaptMyng <dfu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Colin Baxter Scouting Report
> > Projected Draft Position
> > by FFToolbox Writers
> > Matt De Lima's 5/11 Mock Draft Not selected
> > Position: C
> > School & Year/Status: Arizona - Senior
> > Jersey Number: #64
> > Height & Weight: 6'4 - 295 lbs.
>
> > 2011 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
> > Colin Baxter, C, Arizona
> > For Four years Colin Baxter has been the unsung hero for Arizona's
> > offense. After redshirting in 2006 and beginning the 2007 campaign as
> > a backup, Baxter has been a staple in the Wildcats' starting lineup.
> > Even as a redshirt freshman in 2007, it did not take Baxter long to
> > earn a starting role and he ended up starting the final 11 games of
> > the season. Like the 2007 campaign, Baxter again started the 2008
> > season at the left guard spot. However an injury to then center Blake
> > Kerley forced Baxter into the middle of the line for the final nine
> > games of the season.
>
> > Baxter performed so well at the center spot that he never left. In
> > 2009 he was a second-team All-Pac-10 honoree following his honorable
> > mention accolades a year earlier. By 2010 he was earning even more
> > accolades and was a Rimington Trophy Award finalist. Baxter's
> > collegiate career ended on a sour note as he was sidelined with a knee
> > injury for ASU's Alamo Bowl appearance against Oklahoma State.
>
> > It is hard to find any player with more starting experience than
> > Baxter. He may not be the best center out there in any single
> > category, but he is a smart player who can quickly learn to run an
> > offense from under center. His versatility to move over and play some
> > guard is not a bad thing either. Baxter's future is likely at center
> > and a team that needs depth at that position right away will pick up
> > Baxter late in the draft.
>
> > Last Updated Apr-10-2011 by Joel Welser
>
> thanx for posting... i was saying in an earlier post... after watching
> baxter play at center, he really looked like he had the tools... great
> scouting by the jets... he looks like a real find. i am not so worried
> now about mangold being out for a few weeks...
>
> IMHO, Hunter is the guy they need to get off the field
Agree, I think Baxter will be fine but Hunter has to stay off the
field. There is a report that Sanchez has a bruised throwing arm. They
have to protect him better. He is taking way too many hits and if it
continues they are going to lose him for the season. And I have zero
confidence in Brunell. Too bad they lost Greg McElroy for the season
because he looked good in the preseason.
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TOPIC: Jets have an important advantage over Raiders...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/958632925e933244?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 10:07 am
From: Michael
Jets... Other than Hunter, they draw very few yellow flags... Raiders
draw flags left and right. If the Jets play their usual game and the
Raiders do too, the Jets have a huge advantage. This is one game
where they have to be patient, play efficiant, mistake free football
and let the Raiders hand them the game.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 1:11 pm
From: "Papa Carl"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:eddf884f-207d-4301-9afc-bcab50162b56@k29g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> Jets... Other than Hunter, they draw very few yellow flags... Raiders
> draw flags left and right. If the Jets play their usual game and the
> Raiders do too, the Jets have a huge advantage. This is one game
> where they have to be patient, play efficiant, mistake free football
> and let the Raiders hand them the game.
OH GOD NO!!!! Herm Ball....Marty Ball.....Please...Play to Win the Game !
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 1:30 pm
From: Michael
On Sep 20, 4:11 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:eddf884f-207d-4301-9afc-bcab50162b56@k29g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Jets... Other than Hunter, they draw very few yellow flags... Raiders
> > draw flags left and right. If the Jets play their usual game and the
> > Raiders do too, the Jets have a huge advantage. This is one game
> > where they have to be patient, play efficiant, mistake free football
> > and let the Raiders hand them the game.
>
> OH GOD NO!!!! Herm Ball....Marty Ball.....Please...Play to Win the Game !
"Hello... You play to win the game"
In this case, with the O-line the Jets have, Herm Ball might be the
way to go. I am not saying they should not take their shots downfield
every now and then... But they should play Herm Ball this time out
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TOPIC: Bullshit call
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/077f35d7f3ca3aa1?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 11:25 am
From: "Splat!"
On Sep 18, 3:13 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 3:05 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sanchez was still in field of play.
> > if that play was a Jest pushing a Jag or called if it was Tom Brady you'd
> > all be screaming bloody murder.
>
> Most of the Jets yards have been via penalty. Sanchez is terrible,
> even his completions are miracle catches that should be intercepted.
> The Jets running game actually looks worse than the Patriots running
> game.
Shut up, bitch
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TOPIC: Bills-Fitz
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/9b54ecca7ac300b1?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 11:33 am
From: Michael
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Buffalo-Bills-have-franchise-QB-in-Ryan-Fitzpatrick-Schein-Nine-092111
I REALLY want to see what the Bills do vs. The Pats...
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 12:14 pm
From: IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net>
On 9/20/2011 2:33 PM, Michael wrote:
> http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Buffalo-Bills-have-franchise-QB-in-Ryan-Fitzpatrick-Schein-Nine-092111
>
> I REALLY want to see what the Bills do vs. The Pats...
>
As a Bills fan, I do as well - We'll see how he does against a top tier
team and Brady. Beating up the pathetic Chiefs and squeaking by a
mediocre team in the Raiders does prove anything to me... Beat up Brady
and the Pats in a convincing manner will raise my eyebrows and get a
"hmmm" out of me. My hopes have been crushed more times from that team
then I care to mention. They seem to always find a way to lose in the
end....The last was when they went 6-0 a few years ago to start the
season and then ate a big chit-choke sandwich and missed the playoffs....
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 12:34 pm
From: Michael
On Sep 20, 3:14 pm, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
> On 9/20/2011 2:33 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> >http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Buffalo-Bills-have-franchise-QB-in...
>
> > I REALLY want to see what the Bills do vs. The Pats...
>
> As a Bills fan, I do as well - We'll see how he does against a top tier
> team and Brady. Beating up the pathetic Chiefs and squeaking by a
> mediocre team in the Raiders does prove anything to me... Beat up Brady
> and the Pats in a convincing manner will raise my eyebrows and get a
> "hmmm" out of me. My hopes have been crushed more times from that team
> then I care to mention. They seem to always find a way to lose in the
> end....The last was when they went 6-0 a few years ago to start the
> season and then ate a big chit-choke sandwich and missed the playoffs....
If they make a good go of it vs. the Pats this week, they will start
getting some attention.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 12:37 pm
From: buRford
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:14:40 -0400, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
>On 9/20/2011 2:33 PM, Michael wrote:
>> http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Buffalo-Bills-have-franchise-QB-in-Ryan-Fitzpatrick-Schein-Nine-092111
>>
>> I REALLY want to see what the Bills do vs. The Pats...
>>
>
>As a Bills fan, I do as well - We'll see how he does against a top tier
>team and Brady. Beating up the pathetic Chiefs and squeaking by a
>mediocre team in the Raiders does prove anything to me... Beat up Brady
>and the Pats in a convincing manner will raise my eyebrows and get a
>"hmmm" out of me. My hopes have been crushed more times from that team
>then I care to mention. They seem to always find a way to lose in the
>end....The last was when they went 6-0 a few years ago to start the
>season and then ate a big chit-choke sandwich and missed the playoffs....
I've always like FitzPatrick, seemed to have good instincts, & a toughness needed at QB.
Being from Harvard probably hurt him... the geek factor & all.
I'm more interested in seeing how the Jets play against them ;)
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 20 2011 1:08 pm
From: Michael
On Sep 20, 3:37 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:14:40 -0400, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >On 9/20/2011 2:33 PM, Michael wrote:
> >>http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Buffalo-Bills-have-franchise-QB-in...
>
> >> I REALLY want to see what the Bills do vs. The Pats...
>
> >As a Bills fan, I do as well - We'll see how he does against a top tier
> >team and Brady. Beating up the pathetic Chiefs and squeaking by a
> >mediocre team in the Raiders does prove anything to me... Beat up Brady
> >and the Pats in a convincing manner will raise my eyebrows and get a
> >"hmmm" out of me. My hopes have been crushed more times from that team
> >then I care to mention. They seem to always find a way to lose in the
> >end....The last was when they went 6-0 a few years ago to start the
> >season and then ate a big chit-choke sandwich and missed the playoffs....
>
> I've always like FitzPatrick, seemed to have good instincts, & a toughness needed at QB.
> Being from Harvard probably hurt him... the geek factor & all.
>
> I'm more interested in seeing how the Jets play against them ;)
I think the Jets will give the Bills a harder time than the Pats. The
Bills will have a hard time putting points up on the Jets. Pats vs
Bills will probably be a shootout. The Jets defense will probably win
the game vs. the Bills.
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