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2011/9/26 PERMENDER RATHEE <ratheepermender@gmail.com>
Dear Plz help with the following articles. Thanks in advance

1. Developing oral drug delivery systems using formulation by design: vital precepts, retrospect and prospects

Expert Opinion on Drug Delivery October 2011, Vol. 8, No. 10, October 2011: 1341-1360.

(doi: 10.1517/17425247.2011.605120)

 

2.  Oral formulation strategies to improve solubility of poorly water-soluble drugs

Expert Opinion on Drug Delivery October 2011, Vol. 8, No. 10, October 2011: 1361-1378.

(doi: 10.1517/17425247.2011.606808)

 

3. Use of terpenoids as natural flavouring compounds in food industry.

Caputi L, Aprea E.

Recent Pat Food Nutr Agric. 2011 Jan 1;3(1):9-16.

PMID: 21114471

 

4. Pellet Coating Thickness Determination by Near-Infrared Reflectance Spectroscopy: Comparison of Two Reference Methods

Muselík, Jan; Dvorackova, Katerina; Krejcova, Katerina; Rabiskova, Miloslava; Pazourek, Jiri; Marton, Sylvia; Drackova, Michaela; Vorlova, Lenka

Current Pharmaceutical Analysis, Volume 6, Number 4, November 2010 , pp. 225-233(9)

DOI: 10.2174/157341210793292419

 

5. Assessment of Antioxidant Capacity of Natural Products

Niki, Etsuo

Current Pharmaceutical Biotechnology, Volume 11, Number 8, December 2010, 801-809(9)

DOI: 10.2174/138920110793262097



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Medarticles articles required 27-09-11

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Dear Plz help with the following articles. Thanks in advance

1. Developing oral drug delivery systems using formulation by design: vital precepts, retrospect and prospects

Expert Opinion on Drug Delivery October 2011, Vol. 8, No. 10, October 2011: 1341-1360.

(doi: 10.1517/17425247.2011.605120)

 

2.  Oral formulation strategies to improve solubility of poorly water-soluble drugs

Expert Opinion on Drug Delivery October 2011, Vol. 8, No. 10, October 2011: 1361-1378.

(doi: 10.1517/17425247.2011.606808)

 

3. Use of terpenoids as natural flavouring compounds in food industry.

Caputi L, Aprea E.

Recent Pat Food Nutr Agric. 2011 Jan 1;3(1):9-16.

PMID: 21114471

 

4. Pellet Coating Thickness Determination by Near-Infrared Reflectance Spectroscopy: Comparison of Two Reference Methods

Muselík, Jan; Dvorackova, Katerina; Krejcova, Katerina; Rabiskova, Miloslava; Pazourek, Jiri; Marton, Sylvia; Drackova, Michaela; Vorlova, Lenka

Current Pharmaceutical Analysis, Volume 6, Number 4, November 2010 , pp. 225-233(9)

DOI: 10.2174/157341210793292419

 

5. Assessment of Antioxidant Capacity of Natural Products

Niki, Etsuo

Current Pharmaceutical Biotechnology, Volume 11, Number 8, December 2010, 801-809(9)

DOI: 10.2174/138920110793262097



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Today's topics:

* This League sucks...makes up the rules as they go... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/27b5676b9a995220?hl=en
* Do The Jets suck ?!?!?! - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/e71be845d3857e29?hl=en
* HI EVERYBODY! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/167cc17a6480d883?hl=en
* Sanchez stinks - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/fd777608651b8602?hl=en
* Game thoughts... Jets-Raiders - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0e85a4a86afd1def?hl=en
* Thoughts on Game, Wrapping Up Week 3 - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/96639b8420e09346?hl=en
* The O line.... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d74fc630f503f47b?hl=en
* On the positive side... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6b10c92fe9342d82?hl=en
* Michael Vick sounds off... - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/dd0ca1277717a768?hl=en
* Rex on the game: ""You have 439 yards on offense and lose the game.
Unbelievable! ...." - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/49a4298aa9e17a51?hl=en

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TOPIC: This League sucks...makes up the rules as they go...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/27b5676b9a995220?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:12 am
From: Deadmeat


On 9/26/2011 12:59 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> <Deadmeat> wrote in message
> news:4e807a36$0$56782$c3e8da3$4db35a27@news.astraweb.com...
>> On 9/25/2011 10:30 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>> "buRford"<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h1kv7758nabk1v40ftkuvavh1bc76ttmge@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:00:51 -0400, Deadmeat<noone@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/25/2011 7:23 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>>>>> How many other times would that be called a TD???? How many TD's
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> called this season were not reviewed and allowed??? The League has
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> gotten their shit together....it should have been a TD...Seymour did
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> him down. Still...the Jets are horrible...both sides of the ball. I
>>>>>> seriously can not watch this crap ass football and Rex needs to shut
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> mouth and coach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> His knee was down before the ball crossed the goal line. Everyone can
>>>>> see it, and all TD's are reviewed. Why are there always excuses when
>>>>> the
>>>>> jets lose?
>>>
>>> Was his knee down by contact???? I don't think so at all. My point if
>>> you
>>> would learn how to read...was I've watched many games so far this year
>>> and
>>> the interpretation of that rule is extremely inconsistent. That is the
>>> problem. The League does not have a handle on their new rules and
>>> reviews
>>> of TD's.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well, maybe I need to learn how to read, but you need glasses. Seymours
>> hand brushed against Sanchez helmet as Sanchez was starting his dive, so
>> yes he was down by contact, and they did review it.
>>
>> For someone that's constantly posting his resume, you should know that
>> EVERY team in the league has bad calls go against them and for them. In
>> this case, however, it was the right call.
>
> So what part of your meat is dead? Is it your brain, or your meat and
> that's why you are nasty? I was referring to the entire freakin League !
> Read the header. And...do you really think that brushed against him deal
> made him go down? If that rule is applied on all occasions most guys who
> make a big play after they go down on their own will get it recalled...and,
> he was not down yet...he was "starting" his dive...he did not get touched
> after he was down...that is the entire reason guys will come up and just tap
> a player that has gone down. He brushed Seymour when he was still off the
> ground. So...we can't break tackles anymore? Because if you do, and you go
> down...you are down by contact...even if you take four steps afterward. He
> made a lunge after he was touched...that was a football move. I realize how
> it can be interpreted the way it was...but my point was if you watch enough
> games you see several variations on the rules...they are more inconsistent
> now than ever. Why don't you post your resume?
>
>

Make up all the scenarios you want. He was touched on the way down, his
knee hit, he's down, end of story.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 5:11 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<Deadmeat> wrote in message
news:4e80c0a6$0$19957$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com...
> On 9/26/2011 12:59 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>> <Deadmeat> wrote in message
>> news:4e807a36$0$56782$c3e8da3$4db35a27@news.astraweb.com...
>>> On 9/25/2011 10:30 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>>> "buRford"<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:h1kv7758nabk1v40ftkuvavh1bc76ttmge@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:00:51 -0400, Deadmeat<noone@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/25/2011 7:23 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>>>>>> How many other times would that be called a TD???? How many TD's
>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>> called this season were not reviewed and allowed??? The League has
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> gotten their shit together....it should have been a TD...Seymour did
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>> him down. Still...the Jets are horrible...both sides of the ball.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> seriously can not watch this crap ass football and Rex needs to shut
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> mouth and coach.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> His knee was down before the ball crossed the goal line. Everyone
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> see it, and all TD's are reviewed. Why are there always excuses when
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> jets lose?
>>>>
>>>> Was his knee down by contact???? I don't think so at all. My point if
>>>> you
>>>> would learn how to read...was I've watched many games so far this year
>>>> and
>>>> the interpretation of that rule is extremely inconsistent. That is the
>>>> problem. The League does not have a handle on their new rules and
>>>> reviews
>>>> of TD's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, maybe I need to learn how to read, but you need glasses. Seymours
>>> hand brushed against Sanchez helmet as Sanchez was starting his dive, so
>>> yes he was down by contact, and they did review it.
>>>
>>> For someone that's constantly posting his resume, you should know that
>>> EVERY team in the league has bad calls go against them and for them. In
>>> this case, however, it was the right call.
>>
>> So what part of your meat is dead? Is it your brain, or your meat and
>> that's why you are nasty? I was referring to the entire freakin League !
>> Read the header. And...do you really think that brushed against him deal
>> made him go down? If that rule is applied on all occasions most guys who
>> make a big play after they go down on their own will get it
>> recalled...and,
>> he was not down yet...he was "starting" his dive...he did not get touched
>> after he was down...that is the entire reason guys will come up and just
>> tap
>> a player that has gone down. He brushed Seymour when he was still off
>> the
>> ground. So...we can't break tackles anymore? Because if you do, and you
>> go
>> down...you are down by contact...even if you take four steps afterward.
>> He
>> made a lunge after he was touched...that was a football move. I realize
>> how
>> it can be interpreted the way it was...but my point was if you watch
>> enough
>> games you see several variations on the rules...they are more
>> inconsistent
>> now than ever. Why don't you post your resume?
>>
>>
>
> Make up all the scenarios you want. He was touched on the way down, his
> knee hit, he's down, end of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And...how many other games have you watched where some play is either
reviewed or not reviewed, decided on or not....guys stepping out of bounds
and clearly so but because it was a score, if it got called a TD on the
field it is totally up to some clown in the booth to be alert enough to
check it...even after the TV highlights show he stepped out no call is
made...they do not know how to enforce the rules they have...and that call
on Sanchez could go either way depending on who the crew is...THAT is the
freakin point...frankly, it didn't matter...the Jets played so poorly they
didn't deserve even that score in garbage time...my point is the officiating
which was not good to start off with has gone backwards and is WAY worse
now. Who know, maybe they created it this way to generage controversy and
think that will attract more "non-football" viewers.

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TOPIC: Do The Jets suck ?!?!?!
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:19 am
From: Michael


On Sep 26, 1:57 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:73869ec8-365f-4bac-a2d0-ae68257fbae7@t11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...> They cant run the ball.
> > The O-Line is a disaster area.
> > Schotty is clueless.
> > Sanchez needs to grow up and stop making bad decisions.
>
> > The Jets defense has not been able to stop the run.
> > The Jets defense has not been elite vs. the pass.
> > The Jets defense in genearal does not look motivated or prepared.
>
> > Do they suck ??? Is it official ??? Do the Jets SUCK ???
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________­__
> It looks like somewhere along the way they started putting all the bravado
> and Rex talk first and production second.  I've always felt that the O line
> is the foundation of the offense, without an at least functional O line you
> can't do anything.  If you have good but not great guys you can develop a
> scheme to work around that.  But when you have guys that can't even do the
> minimum you are lost.  They have some guys who frequently can't even do the
> minimum.  I know you didn't like Faneca, but he never looked this bad at the
> end of his career...and some of these guys are young.  Somebody screwed up
> big time I think to let this slide this badly.
>
> The D does not look motivated...no intensity...the act like the expect to
> have it go their way.  Revis plays tough but they just go away from him.
> They still lack a serious threat in the D line...no "force" that has to be
> noticed on every down.  Guys do some good things, but they also get blown
> out like they aren't even there.
>
> Consistency is what makes a winner.  I'd rather have a guy who gets it done
> most of the time...not spectacular but does the job and is consistent, than
> someone who can "look" like a star at times, and then blows it
> completely...the Jets seem to have too many of the latter right now.
>
> Sanchez is just bad I think...his accuracy and ball control has
> regressed...and he gets flustered very easily. He didn't even seem to be
> going through all of his checks..or he didn't have time to.
>
> It's bad...not what they predicted for themselves at all.
>
> One more game like yesterday...and YES...it's official.  They will not win
> if they are always the team trying to come back....you have to win games you
> should win.

My feeling is that their offense DOES SUCK PERIOD. The defense did
not show up to play, and I'm sure they feel like idiots now and got an
ear full from the cs. The defense will bounce back. They have a
solid roster on defense and Rex can make a game of it when he comes
back down to Earth. Not the case with the offense. Their o-line
sucks, hence, their ENTIRE offense SUCKS. IMHO, the Ducasse pick
really put them up a creek. They banked on that guy working out. They
also banked on Hunter playing well. He obviously SUCKS. There is no
way that this offense is going to do anything consistently. Too bad
they cant play the Jags every week, or rely on Romo to hand them a
game that they lost on the field. Schotty SUCKS, the line SUCKS,
Sanchez though talanted cant get it into his thick skull that the QB
(HIM) can lose a game with a single stroke of bad judgement. Thier
offense is really in a bad position. They cant run the ball AT ALL
and Sanchez is not currently the guy that can make up for that.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:28 am
From: Deadmeat


On 9/26/2011 1:29 PM, Michael wrote:
> They cant run the ball.
> The O-Line is a disaster area.
> Schotty is clueless.
> Sanchez needs to grow up and stop making bad decisions.
>
> The Jets defense has not been able to stop the run.
> The Jets defense has not been elite vs. the pass.
> The Jets defense in genearal does not look motivated or prepared.
>
> Do they suck ??? Is it official ??? Do the Jets SUCK ???

Boo Hoo!

How would you like to be a Dolphin fan right now?

These idiots get the ball on the Browns 45, and can't move an inch to
get into FG range.

I think we need to go after Ryans brother.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:50 am
From: Randall Turner


On Sep 26, 12:29 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> They cant run the ball.
> The O-Line is a disaster area.
> Schotty is clueless.
> Sanchez needs to grow up and stop making bad decisions.
>
> The Jets defense has not been able to stop the run.
> The Jets defense has not been elite vs. the pass.
> The Jets defense in genearal does not look motivated or prepared.
>
> Do they suck ??? Is it official ??? Do the Jets SUCK ???

No.

Like I said in another thread, there's some overreaction by the fans
and press because of unrealistic expectations.

I don't really know your team very well. But, I know the Raiders
backwards and forwards. With them, you have to stop the 1st down runs
for three yards or less, and if you do that consistently, you'll win.
Pressure, coverage, everything else, neh - doesn't matter. As long as
they don't have success running on early downs and influence you into
bringing your safeties up, you're okay. A vanilla pass defense will
manage.

But, you guys just didn't match up well. You're tailored to stop the
pass. That's reasonable for the modern NFL, accepted philosophy is
professional defenses are fast enough that a rushing attack won't win
games, you need to do it through the air.

But, the Raiders are an anomaly. And they're also good, a lot better
than the national press gives them credit for - again, they're
probably an 11-5 team.

Watch what happens the next two weeks. The Patriots have a problem
generating pressure. Their defensive front seven is stout, but not
mobile enough to consistently penetrate and disrupt passing teams.
This will work to their advantage vs. the Raiders - their D-line stays
at home and takes up space anyway, just what they want. They'll
absolutely crush the Raiders.

Then, though, the week after the Texans (who both depend more on their
running attack and have a defense geared towards stopping Manning-
esque offenses) are going to get "upset" by the Raiders. The Texans
aren't bad - but their strengths mis-match with the Raiders', just
like you guys. Doesn't mean they suck. <shrug>

We have the same problem with the Raiders, by the way, which was why I
was hoping your dudes would help us out.


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:53 am
From: Michael


On Sep 26, 2:28 pm, Deadmeat <Deadmeat> wrote:
> On 9/26/2011 1:29 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> > They cant run the ball.
> > The O-Line is a disaster area.
> > Schotty is clueless.
> > Sanchez needs to grow up and stop making bad decisions.
>
> > The Jets defense has not been able to stop the run.
> > The Jets defense has not been elite vs. the pass.
> > The Jets defense in genearal does not look motivated or prepared.
>
> > Do they suck ??? Is it official ??? Do the Jets SUCK ???
>
> Boo Hoo!
>
> How would you like to be a Dolphin fan right now?
>
> These idiots get the ball on the Browns 45, and can't move an inch to
> get into FG range.
>
> I think we need to go after Ryans brother.

That would be fun. Ryan bowl twice a year. Even if both teams suck,
all the talk leading up to the games will be entertaining.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 2:19 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"


"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:73869ec8-365f-4bac-a2d0-ae68257fbae7@t11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
: They cant run the ball.
: The O-Line is a disaster area.
: Schotty is clueless.
: Sanchez needs to grow up and stop making bad decisions.
:
: The Jets defense has not been able to stop the run.
: The Jets defense has not been elite vs. the pass.
: The Jets defense in genearal does not look motivated or prepared.
:
: Do they suck ??? Is it official ??? Do the Jets SUCK ???

As you know Mike nothing puts fire in the heart like a rivalry. If your Jets
can't get up for Rex then you may have your answer. It is still only going
on week 4 and a lot of settling in will transpire prior to week 6.

Since the Ravens were wasted by the Titans in week two after hammering the
Steelers in week one, I can't wish you luck, ...you understand ; )
--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 5:40 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:9f1495fe-be70-43c0-9f54-564555fe711f@k6g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 26, 2:28 pm, Deadmeat <Deadmeat> wrote:
> On 9/26/2011 1:29 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> > They cant run the ball.
> > The O-Line is a disaster area.
> > Schotty is clueless.
> > Sanchez needs to grow up and stop making bad decisions.
>
> > The Jets defense has not been able to stop the run.
> > The Jets defense has not been elite vs. the pass.
> > The Jets defense in genearal does not look motivated or prepared.
>
> > Do they suck ??? Is it official ??? Do the Jets SUCK ???
>
> Boo Hoo!
>
> How would you like to be a Dolphin fan right now?
>
> These idiots get the ball on the Browns 45, and can't move an inch to
> get into FG range.
>
> I think we need to go after Ryans brother.

That would be fun. Ryan bowl twice a year. Even if both teams suck,
all the talk leading up to the games will be entertaining.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Instead of playing a football game though...you could just have them come
out to mid field and Summo Wrestle..
Imagine them in one of those outfits?

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TOPIC: HI EVERYBODY!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:31 am
From: "RävNsfän ®"


Still Roper <mark_edwards_2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in news:5f4c6c58-0b43-45c7-
91fc-20adc5750a68@i30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> On Sep 26, 8:10 am, "RävNsfän ®" <noem...@nospamme.org> wrote:
>> Hi everybody, I'm Drew and I'm a Ravens fan! I'm comin' in here to the
>> JEST ng, and if i see ANY of you guys say ANYTHING about MY
>> Ravens, well...there's gonna be Hell to pay!!! Ya got that? I don't
>> give two shits that this isn't the Ravens ng, I'm Drew...and I make
>> the rules!
>> And just so you guys know...that's conversation, NOT confrontation.
>> Because I just said so.
>>
>> ~Drew
>>
>>          "Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
>>            Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts
>
> lol...holy fuck your lame...
>
>
>
>
Not quite as lame as someone that doesn't know the difference between your
and you're, eh still doper? Or is it Jethro the dumbass?

~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 3:29 pm
From: "JKConey"


"RävNsfän ®" wrote in message news:j5pq4a$fkd$1@speranza.aioe.org...

Hi everybody, I'm Drew and I'm a Ravens fan! I'm comin' in here to the
JEST ng, and if i see ANY of you guys say ANYTHING about MY
Ravens, well...there's gonna be Hell to pay!!! Ya got that? I don't
give two shits that this isn't the Ravens ng, I'm Drew...and I make
the rules!
And just so you guys know...that's conversation, NOT confrontation.
Because I just said so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


If you came in as a fan to talk FB, that's one thing, but why the need
for all the macho BS?


-- JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:47 am
From: John C TX


X-No-Archive: Yes

> > >    Notice I didn't say he sucks. Coaches aside, I still see no touch,
> > > accuracy, looking off primary, escapability.  Drew Brees figures out a way
> > > to call routes and get rid of the ball quickly to slow down the rush.
> > > Sanchez does what he's told, and is a sitting duck when his first guy is
> > > well covered. Anyone out there still think he's young with potential?
> > > Pennington, with fewer weapons, was a born leader from day one, with touch.
> > > This kid shows me little.
>
> > > JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
>
> > JK my jury is still out on Sanchez (that first pick was pure moron)
> > but hold on.
>
> > Sanchez was thrown in as a rookie, for comparison sake he played >
> > half the games Brady did in college, now after 2 years of experience
> > he is still younger than Pennington when he started.  I really don't
> > have a problem with his accuracy it is his decision making.
>
> The O line isn't giving him time to throw and is hurting the running
> game big time.

He is under pressure but when he forces balls when other receivers are
open (Jaguars) or doesn't protect the ball like he did in the 1st Q
yesterday he is making everything harder.

Two years ago he was the least touched QB in the league.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:58 am
From: John C TX


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> > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:00:06 -0700 (PDT), oldna...@mindspring.com wrote:
> > >On Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:40:38 PM UTC-4, buRford wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd...@verizon.net>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >On Sep 25, 8:44 pm, oldn...@mindspring.com wrote:
> > >> >> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:43:52 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> > >> >> > 1. Biggest problem... Schotty
>
> > >> >> Defense utterly collapses giving up 34 points to a Jason Campbell
> > >> >> QBed O, including 234 yards rushing, a 7.3 yards per attempt.
>
> > >> >> I was waiting to see who'd be the first person to come right out and
> > >> >> say "it was Schott's fault".
>
> > >> >> Congrats, you're the first one I've seen, so you get the prize!
> > >> >> (Disclosure: the tax on same is entirely your liability). Watch your
> > >> >> mail.
>
> > >> >take your prize and flush it... the consistent problem with the
> > >> >jets... for the past several seasons... has been their bone headed
> > >> >offensive scheme and play calling. if you cant see that, you must be
> > >> >watcing the cartoon network when the rest of us are watching the
> > >> >games. the jets have had a top tier defense week in and week out
> > >> >since rex took over.... cant say that about the schotty offense that
> > >> >is always at the bottom of the pack.
>
> > >> Grinch, is Grinch, & will go down swinging in support of Schott, & his
> > >> stats.
>
> > >Now BuRf, let's try to speak the truth.
>
> > >I've never swung anything in support of Schott -- and if you can quote me
> > >anywhere saying I think Schott is a "good OC" I will send you some
> > >printed paper cash money through the mail.
>
> > >What I *do* actually do is look at facts like "34 points allowed ... 234
> > >yards rushing given up a 7.3 per ... four penalties on a single DB...."
>
> > >And I reach outrageous conclusions about them, such as:
>
> > >"Hey, *they* aren't the fault of Schott any more than the murder of Jimmy
> > >Hoffa or Saddam's missing WMDs."
>
> > >To which you respond: "There goes the same old Grinch, always singing
> > >high praises of Schott as he helps Schott murder union leaders, hide
> > >WMDs, and subvert the defense."
>
> > You're right... when people continue to call out Schott (like this
> > thread), you never,
> > ever, ever, ever, argue it's not Schott... that it's Rex, or Sanchez, or
> > the D, or
> > Pettine, or some nonsense stat, etc, etc, etc.
> > I stand corrected ;)
> > Like when the team was up 14-3, & moving the ball, suddenly everything
> > stopped, they
> > settled for a FG...then the Raiders scored 28 unanswered points. To you,
> > that of course
> > falls on the D. During that 28 point run, the O never got on the field,
> > Cromartie never
> > botched a kickoff, etc.
>
> To me early on it fell on the QB when the score was 7-7 after Kerley's
> return we sat 1st & 10 on the Raiders 24.  Sanchez forces one in & it
> is picked off.  Goo d QB's don't do that.  You are all about "feel"
> well I saw a chance to break the Raiders back.
> _______________________________________________________________
> That was all Sanchez and a terrible decision...he is NOT a good QB.
> _________________________________________________________

I am hoping the word yet can be inserted in your sentence.

>
> 2nd Half
>
> first two drives are screwed with sacks
> Next drive Sanchez can't us two yards on 3rd & 4th down
> sack
> TD
> near TD game over
> ________________________________________________________________
> Explain how it was Sanchez who couldn't get two yards???? He carried the
> ball?  Became a power running back?
> __________________________________________________________________________

What I wrote was he failed to get it. There were two pass plays on
3rd & short & 4th down. One had good coverage but one he didn't
complete the pass. I honestly can't remember whether there was drop or
he short armed it. I do remember watching thinking we missed an
opportunity.

>
> b, there may be a reason to hate Schott but our defense was
> outmatched.  We had no pass rush in the 2nd half. Their special team
> coach saw something in Cromartie (they tried that kick twice) and our
> OL couldn't protect the QB in the 2nd half so maybe the play calling
> is an issue but it appears to this guy that we had more problems than
> our OC.
>
>
>
> > By the way, the jets D did not give up 7.3 yards per carry.
> > That is statistical nonsense.
> > On one carry, they gave up 70 yards.
>
> We gave up runs of 70, 23, & 24 yards.  We had some problems.
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
> The D was poor...and perhaps Rex is falling into the pattern he accepts from
> his assistants?  They were not prepared.

On the 70 yard run there appeared to be at least two holds & one was
in the open field but this team each year does lose focus at times.
maybe you are on to something.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 12:25 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 9/25/2011 9:00 PM, oldnasty@mindspring.com wrote:
> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:40:38 PM UTC-4, buRford wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael<mjd...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 25, 8:44 pm, oldn...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:43:52 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>>>>> 1. Biggest problem... Schotty
>>>>
>>>> Defense utterly collapses giving up 34 points to a Jason Campbell QBed O, including 234 yards rushing, a 7.3 yards per attempt.
>>>>
>>>> I was waiting to see who'd be the first person to come right out and say "it was Schott's fault".
>>>>
>>>> Congrats, you're the first one I've seen, so you get the prize! (Disclosure: the tax on same is entirely your liability). Watch your mail.
>>>
>>> take your prize and flush it... the consistent problem with the
>>> jets... for the past several seasons... has been their bone headed
>>> offensive scheme and play calling. if you cant see that, you must be
>>> watcing the cartoon network when the rest of us are watching the
>>> games. the jets have had a top tier defense week in and week out
>>> since rex took over.... cant say that about the schotty offense that
>>> is always at the bottom of the pack.
>>
>>
>> Grinch, is Grinch,& will go down swinging in support of Schott,& his stats.
>
> Now BuRf, let's try to speak the truth.
>
> I've never swung anything in support of Schott -- and if you can quote me anywhere saying I think Schott is a "good OC" I will send you some printed paper cash money through the mail.
>
> What I *do* actually do is look at facts like "34 points allowed ... 234 yards rushing given up a 7.3 per ... four penalties on a single DB...."
>
> And I reach outrageous conclusions about them, such as:
>
> "Hey, *they* aren't the fault of Schott any more than the murder of Jimmy Hoffa or Saddam's missing WMDs."
>
> To which you respond: "There goes the same old Grinch, always singing high praises of Schott as he helps Schott murder union leaders, hide WMDs, and subvert the defense."

Actually, you old fakir, a flawed O such as the one Schitty runs, DOES
"...subvert the defense." Regular inane play selection and stunted
drives just so happen to characterize his offenses for years. And it
often result in unfavorable field position with which the D must deal,
thus subverting it.


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 12:28 pm
From: John C TX


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> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:43:52 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> >> >> >> > 1. Biggest problem... Schotty
>
> >> >> >> Defense utterly collapses giving up 34 points to a Jason Campbell QBed O, including 234 yards rushing, a 7.3 yards per attempt.
>
> >> >> >> I was waiting to see who'd be the first person to come right out and say "it was Schott's fault".
>
> >> >> >> Congrats, you're the first one I've seen, so you get the prize! (Disclosure: the tax on same is entirely your liability). Watch your mail.
>
> >> >> >take your prize and flush it... the consistent problem with the
> >> >> >jets... for the past several seasons... has been their bone headed
> >> >> >offensive scheme and play calling. if you cant see that, you must be
> >> >> >watcing the cartoon network when the rest of us are watching the
> >> >> >games. the jets have had a top tier defense week in and week out
> >> >> >since rex took over.... cant say that about the schotty offense that
> >> >> >is always at the bottom of the pack.
>
> >> >> Grinch, is Grinch, & will go down swinging in support of Schott, & his stats.
>
> >> >Now BuRf, let's try to speak the truth.
>
> >> >I've never swung anything in support of Schott -- and if you can quote me anywhere saying I think Schott is a "good OC" I will send you some printed paper cash money through the mail.
>
> >> >What I *do* actually do is look at facts like "34 points allowed ... 234 yards rushing given up a 7.3 per ... four penalties on a single DB...."
>
> >> >And I reach outrageous conclusions about them, such as:
>
> >> >"Hey, *they* aren't the fault of Schott any more than the murder of Jimmy Hoffa or Saddam's missing WMDs."
>
> >> >To which you respond: "There goes the same old Grinch, always singing high praises of Schott as he helps Schott murder union leaders, hide WMDs, and subvert the defense."
>
> >> You're right... when people continue to call out Schott (like this thread), you never,
> >> ever, ever, ever, argue it's not Schott... that it's Rex, or Sanchez, or the D, or
> >> Pettine, or some nonsense stat, etc, etc, etc.
> >> I stand corrected ;)
> >> Like when the team was up 14-3, & moving the ball, suddenly everything stopped, they
> >> settled for a FG...then the Raiders scored 28 unanswered points. To you, that of course
> >> falls on the D. During that 28 point run, the O never got on the field, Cromartie never
> >> botched a kickoff, etc.
>
> >To me early on it fell on the QB when the score was 7-7 after Kerley's
> >return we sat 1st & 10 on the Raiders 24.  Sanchez forces one in & it
> >is picked off.  Goo d QB's don't do that.  You are all about "feel"
> >well I saw a chance to break the Raiders back.
>
> >2nd Half
>
> >first two drives are screwed with sacks
> >Next drive Sanchez can't us two yards on 3rd & 4th down
> >sack
> >TD
> >near TD game over
>
> >b, there may be a reason to hate Schott but our defense was
> >outmatched.  We had no pass rush in the 2nd half. Their special team
> >coach saw something in Cromartie (they tried that kick twice) and our
> >OL couldn't protect the QB in the 2nd half so maybe the play calling
> >is an issue but it appears to this guy that we had more problems than
> >our OC.
>
> >> By the way, the jets D did not give up 7.3 yards per carry.
> >> That is statistical nonsense.
> >> On one carry, they gave up 70 yards.
>
> >We gave up runs of 70, 23, & 24 yards.  We had some problems.
>
> Didn't say we didn't have problems, but did say what I said.
>
> If ya like stats, take away those three runs, and they averaged 4 yds/carry... which is of
> course, bs too, as most stats are.
>
> The Jets botched a bunch of big plays yesterday... 5, maybe 6.
> What I'm speaking of is a larger issue, and it's an issue every game spanning seasons.
> It has an effect on the flow of games, momentum, & outcome.
>
> As for Sanchez, he bounced back after the INT, & we scored.
> And then the next series, we were moving smartly down the field, when Schott decided to
> remove Shonn.  The Jets had momentum... then the O stopped, until crunch-time.
>
> Why take Shonn out of the game, when he's hitting his rhythm, and the team can go up 21-3?
> Why change what is working?

I share Papa's philosophy on sticking with what works until they can't
stop it but using that logic wouldn't you leave LT in? He had a 74
yard run after a pass & an 18 yard TD. We know why they don't.

Greene had some success but so did LT. One criticism I read often--
this is not an dd hominem attack but an observation of many in the
group-- is that Schott doesn't use all the clubs in his bag & also
that he doesn't use them correctly. Well I think he did a good job in
the 1st half. In the 2nd half they adjusted

Here were the drives:

punt
TD
int
TD
FG
punt

That isn't shabby & on the last drive that stalled Greene ran 2/3
plays so didn't Schott do what you wanted? I know there are other
issues you & others have with Schott but that int to me really hurt &
still makes no sense. How does a pro QB do that?

> This is an issue that comes into play, almost every game, win or lose.
> Normally, the D will pick-up the O, but yesterday they didn't.  Same with STs.
> So, the *big* story is their D's failure.
> After starting the game on their heels, they regained their attacking style (the next few
> drives after the initial drive of the game)... then tanked late in the 2nd qtr.
>
> But game in & out, their D & STs play well.
> It's the O that has no direction, year-in, year-out... with the cast of characters
> changing, but not the O brains.  Hence, people focus on the one constant - - the aimless
> offense.

Maybe or maybe our QB still has growing pains. We will find out next
year as I don't see Schott coming back. No way they pay him $2MM per
year.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 5:15 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:43:52 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> >> >> >> > 1. Biggest problem... Schotty
>
> >> >> >> Defense utterly collapses giving up 34 points to a Jason Campbell
> >> >> >> QBed O, including 234 yards rushing, a 7.3 yards per attempt.
>
> >> >> >> I was waiting to see who'd be the first person to come right out
> >> >> >> and say "it was Schott's fault".
>
> >> >> >> Congrats, you're the first one I've seen, so you get the prize!
> >> >> >> (Disclosure: the tax on same is entirely your liability). Watch
> >> >> >> your mail.
>
> >> >> >take your prize and flush it... the consistent problem with the
> >> >> >jets... for the past several seasons... has been their bone headed
> >> >> >offensive scheme and play calling. if you cant see that, you must
> >> >> >be
> >> >> >watcing the cartoon network when the rest of us are watching the
> >> >> >games. the jets have had a top tier defense week in and week out
> >> >> >since rex took over.... cant say that about the schotty offense
> >> >> >that
> >> >> >is always at the bottom of the pack.
>
> >> >> Grinch, is Grinch, & will go down swinging in support of Schott, &
> >> >> his stats.
>
> >> >Now BuRf, let's try to speak the truth.
>
> >> >I've never swung anything in support of Schott -- and if you can quote
> >> >me anywhere saying I think Schott is a "good OC" I will send you some
> >> >printed paper cash money through the mail.
>
> >> >What I *do* actually do is look at facts like "34 points allowed ...
> >> >234 yards rushing given up a 7.3 per ... four penalties on a single
> >> >DB...."
>
> >> >And I reach outrageous conclusions about them, such as:
>
> >> >"Hey, *they* aren't the fault of Schott any more than the murder of
> >> >Jimmy Hoffa or Saddam's missing WMDs."
>
> >> >To which you respond: "There goes the same old Grinch, always singing
> >> >high praises of Schott as he helps Schott murder union leaders, hide
> >> >WMDs, and subvert the defense."
>
> >> You're right... when people continue to call out Schott (like this
> >> thread), you never,
> >> ever, ever, ever, argue it's not Schott... that it's Rex, or Sanchez,
> >> or the D, or
> >> Pettine, or some nonsense stat, etc, etc, etc.
> >> I stand corrected ;)
> >> Like when the team was up 14-3, & moving the ball, suddenly everything
> >> stopped, they
> >> settled for a FG...then the Raiders scored 28 unanswered points. To
> >> you, that of course
> >> falls on the D. During that 28 point run, the O never got on the field,
> >> Cromartie never
> >> botched a kickoff, etc.
>
> >To me early on it fell on the QB when the score was 7-7 after Kerley's
> >return we sat 1st & 10 on the Raiders 24. Sanchez forces one in & it
> >is picked off. Goo d QB's don't do that. You are all about "feel"
> >well I saw a chance to break the Raiders back.
>
> >2nd Half
>
> >first two drives are screwed with sacks
> >Next drive Sanchez can't us two yards on 3rd & 4th down
> >sack
> >TD
> >near TD game over
>
> >b, there may be a reason to hate Schott but our defense was
> >outmatched. We had no pass rush in the 2nd half. Their special team
> >coach saw something in Cromartie (they tried that kick twice) and our
> >OL couldn't protect the QB in the 2nd half so maybe the play calling
> >is an issue but it appears to this guy that we had more problems than
> >our OC.
>
> >> By the way, the jets D did not give up 7.3 yards per carry.
> >> That is statistical nonsense.
> >> On one carry, they gave up 70 yards.
>
> >We gave up runs of 70, 23, & 24 yards. We had some problems.
>
> Didn't say we didn't have problems, but did say what I said.
>
> If ya like stats, take away those three runs, and they averaged 4
> yds/carry... which is of
> course, bs too, as most stats are.
>
> The Jets botched a bunch of big plays yesterday... 5, maybe 6.
> What I'm speaking of is a larger issue, and it's an issue every game
> spanning seasons.
> It has an effect on the flow of games, momentum, & outcome.
>
> As for Sanchez, he bounced back after the INT, & we scored.
> And then the next series, we were moving smartly down the field, when
> Schott decided to
> remove Shonn. The Jets had momentum... then the O stopped, until
> crunch-time.
>
> Why take Shonn out of the game, when he's hitting his rhythm, and the team
> can go up 21-3?
> Why change what is working?

I share Papa's philosophy on sticking with what works until they can't
stop it but using that logic wouldn't you leave LT in? He had a 74
yard run after a pass & an 18 yard TD. We know why they don't.

Greene had some success but so did LT. One criticism I read often--
this is not an dd hominem attack but an observation of many in the
group-- is that Schott doesn't use all the clubs in his bag & also
that he doesn't use them correctly. Well I think he did a good job in
the 1st half. In the 2nd half they adjusted

Here were the drives:

punt
TD
int
TD
FG
punt

That isn't shabby & on the last drive that stalled Greene ran 2/3
plays so didn't Schott do what you wanted? I know there are other
issues you & others have with Schott but that int to me really hurt &
still makes no sense. How does a pro QB do that?

> This is an issue that comes into play, almost every game, win or lose.
> Normally, the D will pick-up the O, but yesterday they didn't. Same with
> STs.
> So, the *big* story is their D's failure.
> After starting the game on their heels, they regained their attacking
> style (the next few
> drives after the initial drive of the game)... then tanked late in the 2nd
> qtr.
>
> But game in & out, their D & STs play well.
> It's the O that has no direction, year-in, year-out... with the cast of
> characters
> changing, but not the O brains. Hence, people focus on the one
> constant - - the aimless
> offense.

Maybe or maybe our QB still has growing pains. We will find out next
year as I don't see Schott coming back. No way they pay him $2MM per
year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How many times have you seen Greene run the same play that LT runs? They
don't use them the same at all...and what do you think that tells the
defense? OK...if Greene is in and he is set behind QB...power run to gap
(name the gap)....Why is it other teams seem to know what they are going to
do all the time? It's sets, tendencies and who is in the game. The LT play
was bad defense and tackling that let it go. They would most likely stop
that on the next try. But a scheme play that they can't stop should be run
over and over till they do...and make them reveal something in the D that
helps you.


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 5:18 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:00:06 -0700 (PDT), oldna...@mindspring.com wrote:
> > >On Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:40:38 PM UTC-4, buRford wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael
> > >> <mjd...@verizon.net>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >On Sep 25, 8:44 pm, oldn...@mindspring.com wrote:
> > >> >> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:43:52 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> > >> >> > 1. Biggest problem... Schotty
>
> > >> >> Defense utterly collapses giving up 34 points to a Jason Campbell
> > >> >> QBed O, including 234 yards rushing, a 7.3 yards per attempt.
>
> > >> >> I was waiting to see who'd be the first person to come right out
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> say "it was Schott's fault".
>
> > >> >> Congrats, you're the first one I've seen, so you get the prize!
> > >> >> (Disclosure: the tax on same is entirely your liability). Watch
> > >> >> your
> > >> >> mail.
>
> > >> >take your prize and flush it... the consistent problem with the
> > >> >jets... for the past several seasons... has been their bone headed
> > >> >offensive scheme and play calling. if you cant see that, you must be
> > >> >watcing the cartoon network when the rest of us are watching the
> > >> >games. the jets have had a top tier defense week in and week out
> > >> >since rex took over.... cant say that about the schotty offense that
> > >> >is always at the bottom of the pack.
>
> > >> Grinch, is Grinch, & will go down swinging in support of Schott, &
> > >> his
> > >> stats.
>
> > >Now BuRf, let's try to speak the truth.
>
> > >I've never swung anything in support of Schott -- and if you can quote
> > >me
> > >anywhere saying I think Schott is a "good OC" I will send you some
> > >printed paper cash money through the mail.
>
> > >What I *do* actually do is look at facts like "34 points allowed ...
> > >234
> > >yards rushing given up a 7.3 per ... four penalties on a single DB...."
>
> > >And I reach outrageous conclusions about them, such as:
>
> > >"Hey, *they* aren't the fault of Schott any more than the murder of
> > >Jimmy
> > >Hoffa or Saddam's missing WMDs."
>
> > >To which you respond: "There goes the same old Grinch, always singing
> > >high praises of Schott as he helps Schott murder union leaders, hide
> > >WMDs, and subvert the defense."
>
> > You're right... when people continue to call out Schott (like this
> > thread), you never,
> > ever, ever, ever, argue it's not Schott... that it's Rex, or Sanchez, or
> > the D, or
> > Pettine, or some nonsense stat, etc, etc, etc.
> > I stand corrected ;)
> > Like when the team was up 14-3, & moving the ball, suddenly everything
> > stopped, they
> > settled for a FG...then the Raiders scored 28 unanswered points. To you,
> > that of course
> > falls on the D. During that 28 point run, the O never got on the field,
> > Cromartie never
> > botched a kickoff, etc.
>
> To me early on it fell on the QB when the score was 7-7 after Kerley's
> return we sat 1st & 10 on the Raiders 24. Sanchez forces one in & it
> is picked off. Goo d QB's don't do that. You are all about "feel"
> well I saw a chance to break the Raiders back.
> _______________________________________________________________
> That was all Sanchez and a terrible decision...he is NOT a good QB.
> _________________________________________________________

I am hoping the word yet can be inserted in your sentence.

>
> 2nd Half
>
> first two drives are screwed with sacks
> Next drive Sanchez can't us two yards on 3rd & 4th down
> sack
> TD
> near TD game over
> ________________________________________________________________
> Explain how it was Sanchez who couldn't get two yards???? He carried the
> ball? Became a power running back?
> __________________________________________________________________________

What I wrote was he failed to get it. There were two pass plays on
3rd & short & 4th down. One had good coverage but one he didn't
complete the pass. I honestly can't remember whether there was drop or
he short armed it. I do remember watching thinking we missed an
opportunity.

>
> b, there may be a reason to hate Schott but our defense was
> outmatched. We had no pass rush in the 2nd half. Their special team
> coach saw something in Cromartie (they tried that kick twice) and our
> OL couldn't protect the QB in the 2nd half so maybe the play calling
> is an issue but it appears to this guy that we had more problems than
> our OC.
>
>
>
> > By the way, the jets D did not give up 7.3 yards per carry.
> > That is statistical nonsense.
> > On one carry, they gave up 70 yards.
>
> We gave up runs of 70, 23, & 24 yards. We had some problems.
> ____________________________________________________________________
>
> The D was poor...and perhaps Rex is falling into the pattern he accepts
> from
> his assistants? They were not prepared.

On the 70 yard run there appeared to be at least two holds & one was
in the open field but this team each year does lose focus at times.
maybe you are on to something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They are not focused at all....what was worse, they don't even seem upset
that much and some of them appear to be looking for crap reasons why they
didn't perform...did you hear Sanchez with all the "WE" stuff....screw that
crap...there was NO WE in his bad throws, he did it and he needs to come out
and say he screwed up and lost the game. You see that even in a guy like
Romo. Do you think you'll ever see Sanchez play hurt to that extent and
play well while hurt?


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 5:24 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Johnny Morongo" <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
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> On 9/25/2011 9:00 PM, oldnasty@mindspring.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:40:38 PM UTC-4, buRford wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:51:06 -0700 (PDT), Michael<mjd...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 8:44 pm, oldn...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:43:52 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>>>>>> 1. Biggest problem... Schotty
>>>>>
>>>>> Defense utterly collapses giving up 34 points to a Jason Campbell QBed
>>>>> O, including 234 yards rushing, a 7.3 yards per attempt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was waiting to see who'd be the first person to come right out and
>>>>> say "it was Schott's fault".
>>>>>
>>>>> Congrats, you're the first one I've seen, so you get the prize!
>>>>> (Disclosure: the tax on same is entirely your liability). Watch your
>>>>> mail.
>>>>
>>>> take your prize and flush it... the consistent problem with the
>>>> jets... for the past several seasons... has been their bone headed
>>>> offensive scheme and play calling. if you cant see that, you must be
>>>> watcing the cartoon network when the rest of us are watching the
>>>> games. the jets have had a top tier defense week in and week out
>>>> since rex took over.... cant say that about the schotty offense that
>>>> is always at the bottom of the pack.
>>>
>>>
>>> Grinch, is Grinch,& will go down swinging in support of Schott,& his
>>> stats.
>>
>> Now BuRf, let's try to speak the truth.
>>
>> I've never swung anything in support of Schott -- and if you can quote me
>> anywhere saying I think Schott is a "good OC" I will send you some
>> printed paper cash money through the mail.
>>
>> What I *do* actually do is look at facts like "34 points allowed ... 234
>> yards rushing given up a 7.3 per ... four penalties on a single DB...."
>>
>> And I reach outrageous conclusions about them, such as:
>>
>> "Hey, *they* aren't the fault of Schott any more than the murder of Jimmy
>> Hoffa or Saddam's missing WMDs."
>>
>> To which you respond: "There goes the same old Grinch, always singing
>> high praises of Schott as he helps Schott murder union leaders, hide
>> WMDs, and subvert the defense."
>
> Actually, you old fakir, a flawed O such as the one Schitty runs, DOES
> "...subvert the defense." Regular inane play selection and stunted drives
> just so happen to characterize his offenses for years. And it often
> result in unfavorable field position with which the D must deal, thus
> subverting it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The opposing D never has to work hard...they don't need to figure it out,
scheme etc. That gives them tremendous confidence and that in turn keeps
them fresh. They are never on the run, back on their heels. So....their
offense benefits from that feeling of "we are in control"...and when they
come on to the field they feel like it and they know if they screw up the D
has their back AND can deliver. The Dallas win was pure miracle and very
poor play on the part of Dallas...the kind of mistakes that break some teams
for good. The Jaguars were just terrible. Now...Raiders were not good, but
aggressive and Rex's boys were flat out dead and unprepared. To not be able
to adjust your offensive attack because they change up their D and their
coverages...and then have a backup O lineman come on TV and talk about
it...come on ! NOT PREPARED and an O staff that does not know what to
do....Somebody needs to get their ass chewed out big time...and the D is
starting to catch the malaise the O has. This is a pattern, and has begun
again from last season...that is TOTALLY on the coaching staff and the
organization.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 11:43 am
From: JetsLife


Today's NFL is great because of the salary cap and competitiveness it
affords each team. But it sucks for blood pressure yesterday be you a
Jets, Pats, etc. favored team's fan yesterday.

Defense:

- This is twice in the past 4 games (going back to the AFC
Championship) our defense has been flattened by an opposing rushing
attack. It pains me to say it, but until proven otherwise we are a
finesse defense aka soft against the run.

We've yet to adequately replace Kris Jenkins. And we are in some ways
a DB-led defense - and sometimes that can be a defense that can be run
on.

Additionally we're a defense that relies on pre-snap communication and
when an opposing offense like the Raiders or Dallas runs a hurry-up it
can short circuit our D.

- We've been victmized 2/3 of games on outside running (tho to be sure
yesterday we were victimized inside, outside and everywhere in
between).

Offense:

Remains below average. How do you put up 17 points in 1 2/3 quarters
and manage only 7 more from then on.

Troubling. At least the play calling and execution was mostly
excellent in the first half.

- On to Baltimore. As always some folks are panicking. For me it's
payback time, and there's nothing better in sports.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 2:08 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"


"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
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:
: - On to Baltimore. As always some folks are panicking. For me it's
: payback time, and there's nothing better in sports.

Okay JL, ...a glass half-full beats one half-empty so I am told. So hold
those positive thoughts but do realize that the QB named Joe plays for
B'more this time around ; )

Tough loss Sunday. Obviously the Raiders are for real in 2011, as are many
of the former cellar dwellars.
--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

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TOPIC: The O line....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 12:36 pm
From: John C TX


On Sep 26, 12:06 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:05e108c4-89fa-49dc-8ff8-d73a666094ec@g29g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 25, 9:48 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Any rational analysis of this team must take a good look at decisions made
> > regarding one of the most critical aspects of offense...the line. They go
> > out and get new receivers for Sanchez to throw at. The go after some new D
> > players and probably alienate Cromartie to some extent with all the talk
> > about getting his replacement. They talk talk talk about skill
> > positions...where the Hell was ANY thought given to who was playing on the
> > O
> > line? They have consistently let it slide over the last few years. When
> > Mangold went down and they had some success with Baxter I posted it was
> > time
> > to see which one of those RB's or somebody was trade bait to bolster the O
> > line...they did nothing. They will not make it through a season without
> > doing something. Vlad is beyond terrible...Hunter is awful....Brick and
> > Mangold are good....the others are starting to look very pedestrian or
> > just
> > serviceable...they need to do something big now...there has got to be
> > someone better than Hunter out there. Baxter looks good for a
> > rookie...he's
> > too small to play out there and needs the help he can get from where he
> > was
> > playing...but damn...he is way better than the other so called starters or
> > replacements....they have NO good replacements...these guys are not even
> > second string level. Lets start a pool about when Sanchez goes out for the
> > season..and then Father Time gets to play.
>
> Papa, a veteran might have been brought in but is there anyone that
> doesn't need line help? By the way the rookie weighs 295.  It isn't
> ideal but you realize he is our 4th string? You expect depth at that
> level.  The Hunter criticism may be fair & if Ducasse is a bust & they
> still kept him around shame on them.
>
> We lost a few guys to FA because we were working to keep others.  It
> isn't like we spent $ any place but our own.
> _____________________________________________________________
> Well...you are one of the very few who think their actions regarding the O
> line are sound.  I'd start with a FOUNDATION...the O line is just that...and
> their foundation is the weakest part of the team.

Did you read what I wrote in a mirror?

:)

Here were our FA. I would have loved to see someone brought in to
compete (be better than Hunter) but we had holes that they prevented
form forming elsewhere. Who could have foreseen all these injuries to
the OL? I guess I am saying that overall they did OK.

Kellen Clemens, QB (R) --
Braylon Edwards, WR --
Santonio Holmes, WR (R) --
Brad Smith, KR (R) --
Antonio Cromartie, CB (R) --
Wayne Hunter, OT
Shaun Ellis, DE
Trevor Pryce, DE
David Harris, LB (R)
Lance Laury, LB (R)
Drew Coleman, CB (R)
Eric Smith, CB (R
Brodney Pool, S
James Ihedegbo, S (R)
Nick Folk, PK
Steve Weatherford, P (R)


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 5:26 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 26, 12:06 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:05e108c4-89fa-49dc-8ff8-d73a666094ec@g29g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 25, 9:48 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Any rational analysis of this team must take a good look at decisions
> > made
> > regarding one of the most critical aspects of offense...the line. They
> > go
> > out and get new receivers for Sanchez to throw at. The go after some new
> > D
> > players and probably alienate Cromartie to some extent with all the talk
> > about getting his replacement. They talk talk talk about skill
> > positions...where the Hell was ANY thought given to who was playing on
> > the
> > O
> > line? They have consistently let it slide over the last few years. When
> > Mangold went down and they had some success with Baxter I posted it was
> > time
> > to see which one of those RB's or somebody was trade bait to bolster the
> > O
> > line...they did nothing. They will not make it through a season without
> > doing something. Vlad is beyond terrible...Hunter is awful....Brick and
> > Mangold are good....the others are starting to look very pedestrian or
> > just
> > serviceable...they need to do something big now...there has got to be
> > someone better than Hunter out there. Baxter looks good for a
> > rookie...he's
> > too small to play out there and needs the help he can get from where he
> > was
> > playing...but damn...he is way better than the other so called starters
> > or
> > replacements....they have NO good replacements...these guys are not even
> > second string level. Lets start a pool about when Sanchez goes out for
> > the
> > season..and then Father Time gets to play.
>
> Papa, a veteran might have been brought in but is there anyone that
> doesn't need line help? By the way the rookie weighs 295. It isn't
> ideal but you realize he is our 4th string? You expect depth at that
> level. The Hunter criticism may be fair & if Ducasse is a bust & they
> still kept him around shame on them.
>
> We lost a few guys to FA because we were working to keep others. It
> isn't like we spent $ any place but our own.
> _____________________________________________________________
> Well...you are one of the very few who think their actions regarding the O
> line are sound. I'd start with a FOUNDATION...the O line is just
> that...and
> their foundation is the weakest part of the team.

Did you read what I wrote in a mirror?

:)

Here were our FA. I would have loved to see someone brought in to
compete (be better than Hunter) but we had holes that they prevented
form forming elsewhere. Who could have foreseen all these injuries to
the OL? I guess I am saying that overall they did OK.

Kellen Clemens, QB (R) --
Braylon Edwards, WR --
Santonio Holmes, WR (R) --
Brad Smith, KR (R) --
Antonio Cromartie, CB (R) --
Wayne Hunter, OT
Shaun Ellis, DE
Trevor Pryce, DE
David Harris, LB (R)
Lance Laury, LB (R)
Drew Coleman, CB (R)
Eric Smith, CB (R
Brodney Pool, S
James Ihedegbo, S (R)
Nick Folk, PK
Steve Weatherford, P (R)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It wasn't just this year....the O line has been in decline...it's a pattern
! What I'm saying now is take Joe McKnight or somebody who supposedly has
promise and make a trade.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 3:37 pm
From: "JKConey"


We did have a nice lead. Kerley looked good, I'd like to see more of him,
plus the wildcat a bit. Contained the outside well for awhile. I counted 2
passes, one for a TD, that hit off hands or chests. Not all Crows penalties
were justified. Loud rowdy stadium, great rush, and missing best Center in
the NFL. Reverse half of those and it's an easy win. I look for a great
effort next week in a bigger, tougher game.

JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 3:45 pm
From: "JKConey"


"Papa Carl" wrote in message
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"


Papa, I'm guessing you're using Windows Live as your newsreader? Me too.
One of the glaring omissions is the

">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on each line of quoted text. I've
already been scolded by geeks in other NG's.

Because of >>>>> not being there, it's a pain to read what you've wrote in
responses. There's no fix for it by the way.

What I've been doing is manually adding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

right under the original message I respond to.

-- JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 5:05 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Papa Carl" wrote in message
> news:Nqqdnab4gprLLx3TnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
> "
>
>
> Papa, I'm guessing you're using Windows Live as your newsreader? Me too.
> One of the glaring omissions is the
>
> ">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on each line of quoted text. I've
> already been scolded by geeks in other NG's.
>
> Because of >>>>> not being there, it's a pain to read what you've wrote in
> responses. There's no fix for it by the way.
>
> What I've been doing is manually adding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> right under the original message I respond to.
>
>
>
> -- JK Sinrod
> www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

_____________________________________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks for reminding me...I thought I had been putting in a line....guess I
forgot or it didn't translate.
PC

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TOPIC: Rex on the game: ""You have 439 yards on offense and lose the game.
Unbelievable! ...."
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2011 3:42 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


"You have 439 yards on offense and lose the game. Unbelievable! Two hundred thirty four yards, 7.8 a carry. I've never had that happen in my life, but it just happened.

"It wasn't our offense. Our defense let us down, clearly."

~~~~~~~~~~

What's unbelievable to me is that we have a head coach who keeps toadying up to Schott and covering up for him like this.

Didn't he see the same game we did? How can he *not* believe the #1 problem in that loss was Schott???

What's worse: (1) Rex is so weak he has to toady up and cover for Schott like this? or (2) He actually *believes* what he said above???

Michael, BuRf, the rest of you, what say all?

:-)


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