Wednesday, September 28, 2011

[socialactionfoundationforequity:14337 Former Executives from Panasonic Corp., Whirlpool Corp. Subsidiary and Tecumseh Products Co. Subsidiary Indicted in Compressor Price-Fixing Conspiracy

Buzz It
Former Executives from Panasonic Corp., Whirlpool Corp. Subsidiary and
Tecumseh Products Co. Subsidiary Indicted in Compressor Price-Fixing
Conspiracy
http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2011/275408.htm

First Executives Charged in Ongoing Investigation into the Worldwide
Refrigerant Compressors Market

09/28/2011 05:41 AM EDT

A Detroit federal grand jury returned an indictment today against
three former executives from Panasonic Corporation, a Whirlpool
Corporation subsidiary and a Tecumseh Products Company subsidiary for
their role in an international conspiracy to fix the prices of
refrigerant compressors, which are used in refrigerators and freezers
in homes and businesses, the Department of Justice announced.
.
The indictment, returned today in U.S. District Court in Detroit,
charges Ernesto Heinzelmann, former president and chief executive
officer of Empresa Brasileira de Compressores S.A. (Embraco), a
division of Whirlpool S.A.; Gerson Veríssimo, former president of
Tecumseh do Brasil Ltda., a subsidiary of Tecumseh Products Company;
and Naoki Adachi, general manager of global sales & SE group,
refrigeration devices division at Panasonic Corporation, with
conspiring to suppress and eliminate competition by coordinating price
increases for refrigerant compressors to customers in the United
States and elsewhere. Heinzelmann and Veríssimo are charged with
participating in the conspiracy from at least as early as Oct.14,
2004, until on or about Dec. 31, 2007. Adachi is charged with
participating in the conspiracy from at least as early as May 10,
2006, until on or about Dec. 31, 2007. Heinzelmann, Veríssimo and
Adachi are the first executives charged in the ongoing investigation
into the worldwide refrigerant compressors market.

Refrigerant compressors take in low-pressure refrigerant, compress it
and then pump out a high-pressure vapor, which condenses and
subsequently cools devices such as refrigerators and freezers.

"Cracking down on international price fixing cartels has been and will
continue to be among the most significant priorities for the Antitrust
Division," said Sharis A. Pozen, Acting Assistant Attorney General in
charge of the Department of Justice's Antitrust Division. "Our
investigation into the refrigerant compressors industry has already
resulted in two companies – Panasonic and Embraco North America –
pleading guilty and paying a total of $140.9 million in criminal
fines. Our investigation is continuing."

According to the indictment, Heinzelmann, Veríssimo and Adachi carried
out the conspiracy by participating in or directing the participation
of subordinate employees in meetings and conversations to coordinate
price increases of refrigerant compressors in the United States and
elsewhere. As part of the conspiracy, Heinzelmann, Veríssimo, Adachi
and co-conspirators sold and accepted payments for the compressors at
collusive and non-competitive prices.

Heinzelmann, Veríssimo and Adachi are charged with price fixing in
violation of the Sherman Act, which carries a maximum penalty of 10
years in prison and a $1 million fine for individuals. The maximum
fine may be increased to twice the gain derived from the crime or
twice the loss suffered by the victims of the crime, if either of
those amounts is greater than the statutory maximum fine.

On Nov. 15, 2010, Panasonic Corporation pleaded guilty and was
sentenced to pay a $49.1 million criminal fine, and on Dec.16, 2010,
Embraco North America Inc. pleaded guilty and was sentenced to pay a
$91.8 million criminal fine.

Today's charge is the result of a joint investigation into the
worldwide refrigerant compressors industry being conducted by the
Antitrust Division's Cleveland Field Office and the FBI's Detroit
Field Office, Ann Arbor, Resident Agency. Anyone with information
concerning price fixing or other anticompetitive conduct in the
refrigerant compressor industry is urged to call the Antitrust
Division's Cleveland Field Office at 216-687-8400 or visit
www.justice.gov/atr/contact/newcase.htm.

--
Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth. - Mohandas Gandhi

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "SAFE - Social Action Foundation for Equity" group.
To post to this group, send email to
socialactionfoundationforequity@googlegroups.com
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
socialactionfoundationforequity+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.co.in/group/socialactionfoundationforequity?hl=en?hl=en-GB

alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

Buzz It
alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets?hl=en

alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* Best Jet LB in team history ??? - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c613db9e923f88e6?hl=en
* Wholesale Louis Vuitton shoes for women's,free shipping,worldwide express -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f65ca7708946b55e?hl=en
* After watching it for the third time.... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4dba62230f5dcfe6?hl=en
* Very Interesting Thing About Jets Team "Personality" - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f38be8c55c4afc89?hl=en
* Ducasse... Just a thought that crossed my mind.... - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5dcfe6bf6a916008?hl=en
* Lucas nailed it.... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/08cbd00bccaf57f0?hl=en
* The best football team in the world. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7b9a87b5cc0c905e?hl=en
* O Ye of Little Faith - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/145b806d71d1f4b8?hl=en
* On the positive side... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6b10c92fe9342d82?hl=en
* Former Jets SB QB "Joe Namath" Invited To Compete For Back-up Role - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2bc06d769b4c5247?hl=en
* Insanity: Jets, OT - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/95948db773183973?hl=en

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Best Jet LB in team history ???
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/c613db9e923f88e6?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 27 2011 11:10 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:28956254.678.1317189035489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqlb4...
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:45:20 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
>> <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:26937908.540.1317175799281.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
>> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:55:15 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
>> >> "Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:c0548e81-8373-4b7a-866e-3f610d19017e@18g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Taking a quick break from the current Jets..
>> >> >
>> >> > Who's the best all around LB in Jets history ???
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Grantham
>> >> > 2. Lance Mehl
>> >> > 3. Greg Buttle
>> >> > 4. Kyle Clifton
>> >> > 5. Mo Lewis
>> >> > 6. Davis Harris
>> >> > 7. Other
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not sure... Grantham was before my time.. Do you see any one of
>> >> > those guys being the easy pick ???
>> >>
>> >> You forgot Wahoo McDaniles????
>> >
>> > Absolutely the most unique and memorable. :-)
>> >
>> > I still remember him lined up at MLB "roaring to go" more clearly than
>> > 99%
>> > of other Jets, and how long ago was that?
>>
>> YOU FORGOT A STATISTIC...
>
> I do that 6% of the time.
>
>>don't freakin remember it...it just proves how damn
>> old we both are. LOL....wasn't he a trip...remember the challenge to
>> Huff?
>> But, if you think back about it..he was just really ahead of his time
>> with
>> all the trash talking and challenges etc. and he did it at a time when
>> the
>> "Penn State" model was the rule. What he did do was bring a lot of focus
>> and attention to the position after Huff made the public aware of it. He
>> capitalized on that mystique and I think the game followed along after
>> those
>> guys. That was my transition years from high school to college
>> playing...when we acted like those guys our college coach went ape
>> shit....he was totally "Penn State" model....no frills, never talk...wear
>> a
>> coat and tie on game day...short hair cuts and all the rest. I loved the
>> Wahoo type characters back then. I used to hang out with some semi-pro
>> players...a good league and some really tough dudes...they all had that
>> swagger and mystique too...that was a throwback to the origins of
>> football
>> and the factory workers and miners. Good memories. G...I'm glad you
>> remember it at least.
>
> So far. I take my Aricept every day.

I'm having a dilema now trying to get a relative to take that stuff....one
of my "ancestors"....very difficult, actually a nightmare. I don't think
you need it at all...I'm sure of that.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 7:06 am
From: Michael


On Sep 27, 10:07 pm, oldna...@mindspring.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:46:44 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> > Taking a quick break from the current Jets..
>
> > Who's the best all around LB in Jets history ???
>
> > 1. Grantham
> > 2. Lance Mehl
> > 3. Greg Buttle
> > 4. Kyle Clifton
> > 5. Mo Lewis
> > 6. Davis Harris
> > 7. Other
>
> > I'm not sure... Grantham was before my time.. Do you see any one of
> > those guys being the easy pick ???
>
> Grantham by a mile.

wasnt he an undersized guy that was not predicted to do well or
somthing like that ??? much like karl mecklenberg ??? i remember a
highlight of grantham in a games vs. the raiders. he shed two
blockers much bigger than him then went airborn and came down to form
tackle the oakland running back.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 5:30 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:10:14 AM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
> <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:28956254.678.1317189035489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqlb4...
> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:45:20 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
> >> <old...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> news:26937908.540.1317175799281.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> >> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:55:15 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
> >> >> "Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:c0548e81-8373-4b7a-866e-3f610d19017e@18g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > Taking a quick break from the current Jets..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Who's the best all around LB in Jets history ???
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. Grantham
> >> >> > 2. Lance Mehl
> >> >> > 3. Greg Buttle
> >> >> > 4. Kyle Clifton
> >> >> > 5. Mo Lewis
> >> >> > 6. Davis Harris
> >> >> > 7. Other
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm not sure... Grantham was before my time.. Do you see any one of
> >> >> > those guys being the easy pick ???
> >> >>
> >> >> You forgot Wahoo McDaniles????
> >> >
> >> > Absolutely the most unique and memorable. :-)
> >> >
> >> > I still remember him lined up at MLB "roaring to go" more clearly than
> >> > 99%
> >> > of other Jets, and how long ago was that?
> >>
> >> YOU FORGOT A STATISTIC...
> >
> > I do that 6% of the time.
> >
> >>don't freakin remember it...it just proves how damn
> >> old we both are. LOL....wasn't he a trip...remember the challenge to
> >> Huff?
> >> But, if you think back about it..he was just really ahead of his time
> >> with
> >> all the trash talking and challenges etc. and he did it at a time when
> >> the
> >> "Penn State" model was the rule. What he did do was bring a lot of focus
> >> and attention to the position after Huff made the public aware of it. He
> >> capitalized on that mystique and I think the game followed along after
> >> those
> >> guys. That was my transition years from high school to college
> >> playing...when we acted like those guys our college coach went ape
> >> shit....he was totally "Penn State" model....no frills, never talk...wear
> >> a
> >> coat and tie on game day...short hair cuts and all the rest. I loved the
> >> Wahoo type characters back then. I used to hang out with some semi-pro
> >> players...a good league and some really tough dudes...they all had that
> >> swagger and mystique too...that was a throwback to the origins of
> >> football
> >> and the factory workers and miners. Good memories. G...I'm glad you
> >> remember it at least.
> >
> > So far. I take my Aricept every day.
>
> I'm having a dilema now trying to get a relative to take that stuff....one
> of my "ancestors"....very difficult, actually a nightmare. I don't think
> you need it at all...I'm sure of that.

I don't actually take it. (That doesn't mean I don't need it.) My mother does though. It hasn't made any difference in any way that's visible to me -- but as I can't know what she'd be like if she didn't take it, I can't really tell.

The doctors I consult with, and the research I've done to second-guess them, all agree that as to Alzheimer's it may be modestly beneficial for a limited amount of time, but is no kind of cure or even a serious remedy.

But there have been a couple of studies indicating it has significant benefits for young healthy people, improving school test scores and such. Maybe Rex should hand it out at team meetings!

The only med I'm on is for blood pressure. But I get the Jets fan bulk discount.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 5:35 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:06:18 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> On Sep 27, 10:07 pm, oldn...@mindspring.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:46:44 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> > > Taking a quick break from the current Jets..
> >
> > > Who's the best all around LB in Jets history ???
> >
> > > 1. Grantham
> > > 2. Lance Mehl
> > > 3. Greg Buttle
> > > 4. Kyle Clifton
> > > 5. Mo Lewis
> > > 6. Davis Harris
> > > 7. Other
> >
> > > I'm not sure... Grantham was before my time.. Do you see any one of
> > > those guys being the easy pick ???
> >
> > Grantham by a mile.
>
> wasnt he an undersized guy that was not predicted to do well or
> somthing like that ???

Yup. Flunked out of the NFL. Nobody in that league wanted him. Just like Don Maynard, Winston Hill, Len Dawson...

> much like karl mecklenberg ??? i remember a
> highlight of grantham in a games vs. the raiders. he shed two
> blockers much bigger than him then went airborn and came down to form
> tackle the oakland running back.

He didn't look like any kind of player. All he could do was play like hell.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 6:08 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:20044737.981.1317256229861.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:10:14 AM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
>> <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:28956254.678.1317189035489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqlb4...
>> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:45:20 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
>> >> <old...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:26937908.540.1317175799281.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
>> >> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:55:15 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
>> >> >> "Michael" <mjd...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:c0548e81-8373-4b7a-866e-3f610d19017e@18g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> > Taking a quick break from the current Jets..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Who's the best all around LB in Jets history ???
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 1. Grantham
>> >> >> > 2. Lance Mehl
>> >> >> > 3. Greg Buttle
>> >> >> > 4. Kyle Clifton
>> >> >> > 5. Mo Lewis
>> >> >> > 6. Davis Harris
>> >> >> > 7. Other
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm not sure... Grantham was before my time.. Do you see any one
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > those guys being the easy pick ???
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You forgot Wahoo McDaniles????
>> >> >
>> >> > Absolutely the most unique and memorable. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > I still remember him lined up at MLB "roaring to go" more clearly
>> >> > than
>> >> > 99%
>> >> > of other Jets, and how long ago was that?
>> >>
>> >> YOU FORGOT A STATISTIC...
>> >
>> > I do that 6% of the time.
>> >
>> >>don't freakin remember it...it just proves how damn
>> >> old we both are. LOL....wasn't he a trip...remember the challenge to
>> >> Huff?
>> >> But, if you think back about it..he was just really ahead of his time
>> >> with
>> >> all the trash talking and challenges etc. and he did it at a time when
>> >> the
>> >> "Penn State" model was the rule. What he did do was bring a lot of
>> >> focus
>> >> and attention to the position after Huff made the public aware of it.
>> >> He
>> >> capitalized on that mystique and I think the game followed along after
>> >> those
>> >> guys. That was my transition years from high school to college
>> >> playing...when we acted like those guys our college coach went ape
>> >> shit....he was totally "Penn State" model....no frills, never
>> >> talk...wear
>> >> a
>> >> coat and tie on game day...short hair cuts and all the rest. I loved
>> >> the
>> >> Wahoo type characters back then. I used to hang out with some
>> >> semi-pro
>> >> players...a good league and some really tough dudes...they all had
>> >> that
>> >> swagger and mystique too...that was a throwback to the origins of
>> >> football
>> >> and the factory workers and miners. Good memories. G...I'm glad you
>> >> remember it at least.
>> >
>> > So far. I take my Aricept every day.
>>
>> I'm having a dilema now trying to get a relative to take that
>> stuff....one
>> of my "ancestors"....very difficult, actually a nightmare. I don't think
>> you need it at all...I'm sure of that.
>
> I don't actually take it. (That doesn't mean I don't need it.) My mother
> does though. It hasn't made any difference in any way that's visible to
> me -- but as I can't know what she'd be like if she didn't take it, I
> can't really tell.
>
> The doctors I consult with, and the research I've done to second-guess
> them, all agree that as to Alzheimer's it may be modestly beneficial for
> a limited amount of time, but is no kind of cure or even a serious remedy.
>
> But there have been a couple of studies indicating it has significant
> benefits for young healthy people, improving school test scores and such.
> Maybe Rex should hand it out at team meetings!
>
> The only med I'm on is for blood pressure. But I get the Jets fan bulk
> discount.
>

I always felt during the Kotite years those of us who had season's tickets
should have gotten a free script for Prozac. I take enough meds to fill a
pharmacy. I'm a double transplant recipient...meds will be a way of life as
long as their is life.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Wholesale Louis Vuitton shoes for women's,free shipping,worldwide
express
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f65ca7708946b55e?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 2:41 am
From: deliang huang


Are you searching for fashion and stylish women shoes? Please stop
searching,click and go ahead our site: http// www.bosmantrade.com or
http:// www.showtimetrade.com
There is a lot of surprise waiting for you-cheap,but with fantastic
features.

There are ED Hardy women shoes,gucci casual women shoes,Gucci high
heel shoes,gucci high heel boots,Timberland women sheos,lv women
sheos,lv casual shoes,lv high heel boots,chale women shoes,coach
casual women shoes,coach women spring shoes,coach ladie boots,dior
women shoes,dior high heel shoes.

100% TREAT YOUR EYES RIGHT!

100% STANDOUT shoes

1) Stand out quality

2) Constantly update NEW.

3) Original packing and retro card.

4) favorable price

We are a serious supplier,if you have any questions,please feel free
to contact us,we will try our best to do for you.If have any
question,don't hesitate just tell me.

E-mail: bosmantrade@hotmail.com Yahoo: bosmantrade@yahoo.cn


==============================================================================
TOPIC: After watching it for the third time....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4dba62230f5dcfe6?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 6:56 am
From: CaptMyng


On Sep 27, 11:00 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Look...this was not a D loss or an O loss...it was purely a team loss and
> the Jets loss.
>
> They are / were not finishers.  I kept going back to a span before
> halftime...Oakland blows a fieldgoal and gives The Jets great field
> position...they move down nicely, but don't take advantage and only come
> away with a FG.  How does Oakland respond?  They don't get down, they have
> every reason to, they blew a scoring chance and gave up a FG...but instead
> they take the ball and go right down and score...they were the finishers.
> That exchange is very idicative of how the game was played.  One team took
> much better advantage of it's opportunities and did not let mishaps get them
> down.  Period.
>
> The more I watched some of the stuff on Cro, the more it seems those
> officials had it in for him.  Other crap happended that if they call that on
> Cro..they gotta call a few things the other way too...once again, a lot of
> inconsistency with officials.  A HELL of a lot of holding went on by Oakland
> on O.  Their receivers get away with a lot of crap too.  Still...it was a
> team let down.

That group of officials are incompetent fools. I'm not just talking
about calls against the Jets. The game in total was badly called.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Very Interesting Thing About Jets Team "Personality"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f38be8c55c4afc89?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 7:47 am
From: Michael


Although the Jets are known as "talkers" mostly due to the coach, the
type of talk that you hear is idle boasting. There is never any real
"content". Just bluster. There are a few other key things about the
Jets team "personality". You rarely if ever hear any of the Jet
players or the coaches whine or bitch about bad calls, tuff breaks or
illegal hits. Also... Even though Ryan talks up the Jets as wanting to
be a "physical" team and Bart Scott with his "knock someone the hell
out" type commentary the Jets are one of the cleanest teams on the
field. You don't see any cheap shots from the Jets, low shots, or
"boarder line" head shots on opposing players. For all the boastfull
type smack "talk" that the Jets do, they are actually a very classy
and professional team on the field. A lot of the flags that got
thrown on them in Oakland were BS calls. Especially on Cromartie...
They were very disciplined in their first two games as far as
infractions. It is a sign of good general coaching. If you really
give it some thought, the Jets real personality is quite a bit
different from the media façade. They aren't a pack of buffoons. Far
from it.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 7:52 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:409150f8-28cd-42da-b287-4115ab2f7ca9@d17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Although the Jets are known as "talkers" mostly due to the coach, the
type of talk that you hear is idle boasting. There is never any real
"content". Just bluster. There are a few other key things about the
Jets team "personality". You rarely if ever hear any of the Jet
players or the coaches whine or bitch about bad calls, tuff breaks or
illegal hits. Also... Even though Ryan talks up the Jets as wanting to
be a "physical" team and Bart Scott with his "knock someone the hell
out" type commentary the Jets are one of the cleanest teams on the
field. You don't see any cheap shots from the Jets, low shots, or
"boarder line" head shots on opposing players. For all the boastfull
type smack "talk" that the Jets do, they are actually a very classy
and professional team on the field. A lot of the flags that got
thrown on them in Oakland were BS calls. Especially on Cromartie...
They were very disciplined in their first two games as far as
infractions. It is a sign of good general coaching. If you really
give it some thought, the Jets real personality is quite a bit
different from the media façade. They aren't a pack of buffoons. Far
from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Honestly...I don't think any team in the NFL is a "pack of buffoons"...it
just isn't the case and I think most players you meet are nice guys for the
most part.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 8:05 am
From: Michael


On Sep 28, 10:52 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:409150f8-28cd-42da-b287-4115ab2f7ca9@d17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Although the Jets are known as "talkers" mostly due to the coach, the
> type of talk that you hear is idle boasting.  There is never any real
> "content".  Just bluster.  There are a few other key things about the
> Jets team "personality".   You rarely if ever hear any of the Jet
> players or the coaches whine or bitch about bad calls, tuff breaks or
> illegal hits. Also... Even though Ryan talks up the Jets as wanting to
> be a "physical" team and Bart Scott with his "knock someone the hell
> out" type commentary the Jets are one of the cleanest teams on the
> field.  You don t see any cheap shots from the Jets, low shots, or
> "boarder line" head shots on opposing players. For all the boastfull
> type smack "talk" that the Jets do, they are actually a very classy
> and professional team on the field.  A lot of the flags that got
> thrown on them in Oakland were BS calls.  Especially on Cromartie...
> They were very disciplined in their first two games as far as
> infractions.  It is a sign of good general coaching.  If you really
> give it some thought, the Jets real personality is quite a bit
> different from the media fa ade.  They aren t a pack of buffoons. Far
> from it.
>
> Honestly...I don't think any team in the NFL is a "pack of buffoons"...it
> just isn't the case and I think most players you meet are nice guys for the
> most part.


papa... there are a lot of teams that have guys that habitually play
to the extent of the rules and then past the extent. there is smoke
from fire and before that there is a the guy that always lights the
match. there are also teams that dont control players well. consider
the titans (cheap shot artists), steelers (head shot and low shot
artits), patriots (ruffing call whiners), cowboys (divas), bengals
(off the field stuff) and so on...

the jets are really a class team once you get past the "strategic"
distractions :-) it also appears to me that they take player conduct
seriously. they will take on a problem case, but if you screw up
after you made your agreement with the team, you are gone. say what
you want about money or production, but i think edwards was gotten rid
of because he continued to act out after he promised managment that
he'd be a good boy if they took a chance.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 6:20 pm
From: "R�vNsf�n �"


"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:68f7cf26-535a-4ba6-8d58-32474d250829@5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 28, 10:52 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:409150f8-28cd-42da-b287-4115ab2f7ca9@d17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Although the Jets are known as "talkers" mostly due to the coach, the
> type of talk that you hear is idle boasting. There is never any real
> "content". Just bluster. There are a few other key things about the
> Jets team "personality". You rarely if ever hear any of the Jet
> players or the coaches whine or bitch about bad calls, tuff breaks or
> illegal hits. Also... Even though Ryan talks up the Jets as wanting to
> be a "physical" team and Bart Scott with his "knock someone the hell
> out" type commentary the Jets are one of the cleanest teams on the
> field. You don t see any cheap shots from the Jets, low shots, or
> "boarder line" head shots on opposing players. For all the boastfull
> type smack "talk" that the Jets do, they are actually a very classy
> and professional team on the field. A lot of the flags that got
> thrown on them in Oakland were BS calls. Especially on Cromartie...
> They were very disciplined in their first two games as far as
> infractions. It is a sign of good general coaching. If you really
> give it some thought, the Jets real personality is quite a bit
> different from the media fa ade. They aren t a pack of buffoons. Far
> from it.
>
> Honestly...I don't think any team in the NFL is a "pack of buffoons"...it
> just isn't the case and I think most players you meet are nice guys for
> the
> most part.


papa... there are a lot of teams that have guys that habitually play
to the extent of the rules and then past the extent. there is smoke
from fire and before that there is a the guy that always lights the
match. there are also teams that dont control players well. consider
the titans (cheap shot artists), steelers (head shot and low shot
artits), patriots (ruffing call whiners), cowboys (divas), bengals
(off the field stuff) and so on...

the jets are really a class team once you get past the "strategic"
distractions :-) it also appears to me that they take player conduct
seriously. they will take on a problem case, but if you screw up
after you made your agreement with the team, you are gone. say what
you want about money or production, but i think edwards was gotten rid
of because he continued to act out after he promised managment that
he'd be a good boy if they took a chance.

--
One thing the Ravens organization has always done was to crush bad-apples
spoiling the locker-room barrel. I'm certain that is a philosophy that Rex
agrees with and also adheres to. Mason's continuous complaints against the
organization led to him becoming the most recent example to be extricated.
I'm certain that Rex must have pacified Mace to the extent that Rex felt he
would not be disruptive force within his locker room. If Mason ever does it
will show the lack of respect Mason tends to exude when he doesn't get what
he feels he deserves.
--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Ducasse... Just a thought that crossed my mind....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5dcfe6bf6a916008?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 8:22 am
From: Michael


On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> On 9/27/2011 4:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net>  wrote in message
> >news:60ca4953-018e-4732-8ec4-546ce22c22c7@t16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 27, 2:43 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net>  wrote:
> >> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net>  wrote in message
>
> >>news:3a49bbb6-afd6-46c5-a0d6-fe7f3d261064@k15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Sep 27, 8:48 am, John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 26, 11:15 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net>  wrote:
>
> >>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net>  wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:d36d36eb-dba7-4f85-a482-fc91e8fa2c23@t16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>> As bad as Hunter is, the cs has not even considered putting Ducasse
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> the game... Rex spoke up in defense of Ducasse in the pre-season,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> actions speak truth. Can you imagine just how bad Ducasse must be in
> >>>>> order for the cs to keep him out of the game EVEN with Hunter
> >>>>> looking
> >>>>> so horrendous ???
>
> >>>>> How the hell did they ever go into the season with this line ???
>
> >>>> Michael...a lot of folks seem to be asking that question. I think all
> >>>> the
> >>>> late preseason crap Rex was spouting off on about how they were
> >>>> opening
> >>>> it
> >>>> up, going to throw the ball was just cover for the fact they suck as
> >>>> far
> >>>> as
> >>>> any running game goes. Somebody did a horrendous job on this O line
> >>>> depth.
> >>>> John seems to think it was just circumstances and injuries...
>
> >>> Yes, injuries are part of it because it weakened our depth at 3 slots
> >>> but based on what Hunter has done I would agree with you that someone
> >>> screwed up. Someone over estimated Hunter or maybe underestimated how
> >>> bad the RT would look w/o Hunter playing "TE." Could that be it?
>
> >>>> I don't think
> >>>> that. It's not like they have one guy who is weak...they have a
> >>>> collection
> >>>> of them. If Hunter is better than Ducasse...Vlad should be doing
> >>>> whatever
> >>>> it was he went to school for...not playing football.
>
> >>> I hope to God they aren't holding onto him because he was a 2nd
> >>> rounder. there are guys out there why aren't we bringing them in?
>
> >>>http://www.nfl.com/player/danielloper/2506486/profile
>
> >>>> The thing that gets me
> >>>> is Baxter was not the weak link on the O line, it didn't look that way
> >>>> to me
> >>>> at least...he is not Mangold...but unless Mangold comes back
> >>>> soon...they
> >>>> are
> >>>> in some serious trouble...Sanchez will not last long.- Hide quoted
> >>>> text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> that's probably the case... the guy(s) behind the pick is being a
> >> "save-ass"
>
> >> Did you ever wonder how many horrendous situations go on today because of
> >> this new "never admit you were wrong, save ass" attitude?- Hide quoted
> >> text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > no... i dont wonder about it... i *know* all about it.  i see it in
> > business every single day. not so much with sales professionals who's
> > income is self determined based on effort and ability or people that
> > actually make/produce somthing within a company, but i see it from
> > high level management all the time.  oddly enough, people in upper
> > management/administration that are the biggest "save asses" almost
> > always turn out to be the ones that are the hardest to get rid of
> > along with being the most destructive to an organization's mission.
> > they know full well that they have little practical advantage over
> > others, so they put all their effort into building a protective
> > network of cronies to sustain themselves... the cronies also tend to
> > be useless "yes men" that are also destructive. who HASNT seen it
> > yet ???
>
> > I was hoping some genius could come up with a statistic telling us how many
> > "save ass" assholes created what percentage of all the problems today :-)
> > Boy do I hear you loud and clear...the clowns that ran the last place I
> > worked were right at the top....they took a very productive organization and
> > turned it into a mess and now it is a mere shell of what it once was...but
> > they are all sure they "have a handle on it now...can get our arms around
> > it...take a bit out of it...can huddle up and get a good game plan for
> > this...." and on and on with all the BS...while Rome burns.  I'm glad I'm
> > retired.  But...they did steal most of my pension :-)
>
> Sorry to hear about your pension.  Mine SEEMS fairly safe now, but I do
> want to say a word about the "save asses" you and Michael have been
> talking about: those in education are lethal to the future, and they
> abound in the administrations of all systems.
>
> Small rant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Internal politics in education and medicine is the most execrable. By
their nature, you would think that those two fields would attract a
higher quality of person. Few if any self aggrandizing shit-heels…
Unfortunately, not the case… Plenty of people there are "out to
improve the human condition", but your full complement of jeark-off's
still shows up there too.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 2:34 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:a48a54c0-4eb3-498a-9c6d-e2fdf02bd406@d17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> On 9/27/2011 4:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >news:60ca4953-018e-4732-8ec4-546ce22c22c7@t16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 27, 2:43 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:3a49bbb6-afd6-46c5-a0d6-fe7f3d261064@k15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Sep 27, 8:48 am, John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sep 26, 11:15 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:d36d36eb-dba7-4f85-a482-fc91e8fa2c23@t16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>> As bad as Hunter is, the cs has not even considered putting Ducasse
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> the game... Rex spoke up in defense of Ducasse in the pre-season,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> actions speak truth. Can you imagine just how bad Ducasse must be in
> >>>>> order for the cs to keep him out of the game EVEN with Hunter
> >>>>> looking
> >>>>> so horrendous ???
>
> >>>>> How the hell did they ever go into the season with this line ???
>
> >>>> Michael...a lot of folks seem to be asking that question. I think all
> >>>> the
> >>>> late preseason crap Rex was spouting off on about how they were
> >>>> opening
> >>>> it
> >>>> up, going to throw the ball was just cover for the fact they suck as
> >>>> far
> >>>> as
> >>>> any running game goes. Somebody did a horrendous job on this O line
> >>>> depth.
> >>>> John seems to think it was just circumstances and injuries...
>
> >>> Yes, injuries are part of it because it weakened our depth at 3 slots
> >>> but based on what Hunter has done I would agree with you that someone
> >>> screwed up. Someone over estimated Hunter or maybe underestimated how
> >>> bad the RT would look w/o Hunter playing "TE." Could that be it?
>
> >>>> I don't think
> >>>> that. It's not like they have one guy who is weak...they have a
> >>>> collection
> >>>> of them. If Hunter is better than Ducasse...Vlad should be doing
> >>>> whatever
> >>>> it was he went to school for...not playing football.
>
> >>> I hope to God they aren't holding onto him because he was a 2nd
> >>> rounder. there are guys out there why aren't we bringing them in?
>
> >>>http://www.nfl.com/player/danielloper/2506486/profile
>
> >>>> The thing that gets me
> >>>> is Baxter was not the weak link on the O line, it didn't look that
> >>>> way
> >>>> to me
> >>>> at least...he is not Mangold...but unless Mangold comes back
> >>>> soon...they
> >>>> are
> >>>> in some serious trouble...Sanchez will not last long.- Hide quoted
> >>>> text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> that's probably the case... the guy(s) behind the pick is being a
> >> "save-ass"
>
> >> Did you ever wonder how many horrendous situations go on today because
> >> of
> >> this new "never admit you were wrong, save ass" attitude?- Hide quoted
> >> text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > no... i dont wonder about it... i *know* all about it. i see it in
> > business every single day. not so much with sales professionals who's
> > income is self determined based on effort and ability or people that
> > actually make/produce somthing within a company, but i see it from
> > high level management all the time. oddly enough, people in upper
> > management/administration that are the biggest "save asses" almost
> > always turn out to be the ones that are the hardest to get rid of
> > along with being the most destructive to an organization's mission.
> > they know full well that they have little practical advantage over
> > others, so they put all their effort into building a protective
> > network of cronies to sustain themselves... the cronies also tend to
> > be useless "yes men" that are also destructive. who HASNT seen it
> > yet ???
>
> > I was hoping some genius could come up with a statistic telling us how
> > many
> > "save ass" assholes created what percentage of all the problems today
> > :-)
> > Boy do I hear you loud and clear...the clowns that ran the last place I
> > worked were right at the top....they took a very productive organization
> > and
> > turned it into a mess and now it is a mere shell of what it once
> > was...but
> > they are all sure they "have a handle on it now...can get our arms
> > around
> > it...take a bit out of it...can huddle up and get a good game plan for
> > this...." and on and on with all the BS...while Rome burns. I'm glad I'm
> > retired. But...they did steal most of my pension :-)
>
> Sorry to hear about your pension. Mine SEEMS fairly safe now, but I do
> want to say a word about the "save asses" you and Michael have been
> talking about: those in education are lethal to the future, and they
> abound in the administrations of all systems.
>
> Small rant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Internal politics in education and medicine is the most execrable. By
their nature, you would think that those two fields would attract a
higher quality of person. Few if any self aggrandizing shit-heels�
Unfortunately, not the case� Plenty of people there are "out to
improve the human condition", but your full complement of jeark-off's
still shows up there too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A lot of the "clinicians"...the people in direct patient contact are great
and well motivated...but the administrators, the people who "rise" to the
levels above mid management are absolutely horrible quite often. I was
always amused that we would be advising and counseling patients to accept
responsibility for their recovery, admit when they were wrong and take
control of their lives. Then, we would go to some kind of training and be
told, "never admit you are wrong.....talk to the attorney first....always
have a set of reasons why you did something"....total contradictions in what
the system knew and accepted was the right way to live and how they planned
to conduct business. I actually think I lasted quite a few years longer at
this one place because I knew too much. Some things had gone down that I
was very aware of and I think they felt they had no choice but to keep me or
kill me. When they closed entire units they always found a job for me and
usually let me do something I wanted to do...that was after some incredible
discoveries on my part. A very interesting experience...but always knew
they could not be trusted. In some of the very high end specialties doctors
sometimes take control and it is not as bad...but the "health
administrators" usually mean "witholders of services...ways to cut
corners....not really do the job"....you were quite correct in your
analysis. And education...that was already a lost cause when I left it long
ago...spent my last years in education and coaching at a parochial school.
Better...but still nuts.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 3:08 pm
From: Michael


On Sep 28, 5:34 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a48a54c0-4eb3-498a-9c6d-e2fdf02bd406@d17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 9/27/2011 4:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>
> > > "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > >news:60ca4953-018e-4732-8ec4-546ce22c22c7@t16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 27, 2:43 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:3a49bbb6-afd6-46c5-a0d6-fe7f3d261064@k15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > >> On Sep 27, 8:48 am, John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> On Sep 26, 11:15 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >>>>news:d36d36eb-dba7-4f85-a482-fc91e8fa2c23@t16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>>>> As bad as Hunter is, the cs has not even considered putting Ducasse
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>> the game... Rex spoke up in defense of Ducasse in the pre-season,
> > >>>>> but
> > >>>>> actions speak truth. Can you imagine just how bad Ducasse must be in
> > >>>>> order for the cs to keep him out of the game EVEN with Hunter
> > >>>>> looking
> > >>>>> so horrendous ???
>
> > >>>>> How the hell did they ever go into the season with this line ???
>
> > >>>> Michael...a lot of folks seem to be asking that question. I think all
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> late preseason crap Rex was spouting off on about how they were
> > >>>> opening
> > >>>> it
> > >>>> up, going to throw the ball was just cover for the fact they suck as
> > >>>> far
> > >>>> as
> > >>>> any running game goes. Somebody did a horrendous job on this O line
> > >>>> depth.
> > >>>> John seems to think it was just circumstances and injuries...
>
> > >>> Yes, injuries are part of it because it weakened our depth at 3 slots
> > >>> but based on what Hunter has done I would agree with you that someone
> > >>> screwed up. Someone over estimated Hunter or maybe underestimated how
> > >>> bad the RT would look w/o Hunter playing "TE." Could that be it?
>
> > >>>> I don't think
> > >>>> that. It's not like they have one guy who is weak...they have a
> > >>>> collection
> > >>>> of them. If Hunter is better than Ducasse...Vlad should be doing
> > >>>> whatever
> > >>>> it was he went to school for...not playing football.
>
> > >>> I hope to God they aren't holding onto him because he was a 2nd
> > >>> rounder. there are guys out there why aren't we bringing them in?
>
> > >>>http://www.nfl.com/player/danielloper/2506486/profile
>
> > >>>> The thing that gets me
> > >>>> is Baxter was not the weak link on the O line, it didn't look that
> > >>>> way
> > >>>> to me
> > >>>> at least...he is not Mangold...but unless Mangold comes back
> > >>>> soon...they
> > >>>> are
> > >>>> in some serious trouble...Sanchez will not last long.- Hide quoted
> > >>>> text -
>
> > >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> that's probably the case... the guy(s) behind the pick is being a
> > >> "save-ass"
>
> > >> Did you ever wonder how many horrendous situations go on today because
> > >> of
> > >> this new "never admit you were wrong, save ass" attitude?- Hide quoted
> > >> text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > no... i dont wonder about it... i *know* all about it. i see it in
> > > business every single day. not so much with sales professionals who's
> > > income is self determined based on effort and ability or people that
> > > actually make/produce somthing within a company, but i see it from
> > > high level management all the time. oddly enough, people in upper
> > > management/administration that are the biggest "save asses" almost
> > > always turn out to be the ones that are the hardest to get rid of
> > > along with being the most destructive to an organization's mission.
> > > they know full well that they have little practical advantage over
> > > others, so they put all their effort into building a protective
> > > network of cronies to sustain themselves... the cronies also tend to
> > > be useless "yes men" that are also destructive. who HASNT seen it
> > > yet ???
>
> > > I was hoping some genius could come up with a statistic telling us how
> > > many
> > > "save ass" assholes created what percentage of all the problems today
> > > :-)
> > > Boy do I hear you loud and clear...the clowns that ran the last place I
> > > worked were right at the top....they took a very productive organization
> > > and
> > > turned it into a mess and now it is a mere shell of what it once
> > > was...but
> > > they are all sure they "have a handle on it now...can get our arms
> > > around
> > > it...take a bit out of it...can huddle up and get a good game plan for
> > > this...." and on and on with all the BS...while Rome burns. I'm glad I'm
> > > retired. But...they did steal most of my pension :-)
>
> > Sorry to hear about your pension. Mine SEEMS fairly safe now, but I do
> > want to say a word about the "save asses" you and Michael have been
> > talking about: those in education are lethal to the future, and they
> > abound in the administrations of all systems.
>
> > Small rant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Internal politics in education and medicine is the most execrable.  By
> their nature, you would think that those two fields would attract a
> higher quality of person.  Few if any self aggrandizing shit-heels�
> Unfortunately, not the case� Plenty of people there are "out to
> improve the human condition", but your full complement of jeark-off's
> still shows up there too.
>
> A lot of the "clinicians"...the people in direct patient contact are great
> and well motivated...but the administrators, the people who "rise" to the
> levels above mid management are absolutely horrible quite often.  I was
> always amused that we would be advising and counseling patients to accept
> responsibility for their recovery, admit when they were wrong and take
> control of their lives.  Then, we would go to some kind of training and be
> told, "never admit you are wrong.....talk to the attorney first....always
> have a set of reasons why you did something"....total contradictions in what
> the system knew and accepted was the right way to live and how they planned
> to conduct business.  I actually think I lasted quite a few years longer at
> this one place because I knew too much.  Some things had gone down that I
> was very aware of and I think they felt they had no choice but to keep me or
> kill me.  When they closed entire units they always found a job for me and
> usually let me do something I wanted to do...that was after some incredible
> discoveries on my part.  A very interesting experience...but always knew
> they could not be trusted.  In some of the very high end specialties doctors
> sometimes take control and it is not as bad...but the "health
> administrators" usually mean "witholders of services...ways to cut
> corners....not really do the job"....you were quite correct in your
> analysis.  And education...that was already a lost cause when I left it long
> ago...spent my last years in education and coaching at a parochial school.
> Better...but still nuts.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

in business, people rise to the top for two reasons most of the
time... in a well run and managed organization, people rise to
leadership positions because they are qualified and they worked very
hard. in snake pits, the people that come into power usually do so
because they are the most likely to have no reservations about swiming
along with a culture of corruption and being oppertunistic even if
their actions are destructive and counter productive. it's classic...
all of us have seen it. i work for a major manufacturer and service
large accounts. over the years, i have formed long standing and close
relationships with people that work for the businesses that I sell
to. they include small, medium and fortune 500 companies... i hear
all sorts of stories all the time. most people are fair and
productive, but there is always the case of the man/woman that worms
their way into a position of power and causes all sorts of problems
because they are horrible people and horrible at their position. those
types always have their bag of dirty tricks to harm people that
protest against their mal administration.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 4:03 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:b5a70b2e-715b-446e-9d3a-b83793d548f7@m15g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 28, 5:34 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a48a54c0-4eb3-498a-9c6d-e2fdf02bd406@d17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 9/27/2011 4:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>
> > > "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > >news:60ca4953-018e-4732-8ec4-546ce22c22c7@t16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 27, 2:43 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:3a49bbb6-afd6-46c5-a0d6-fe7f3d261064@k15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> > >> On Sep 27, 8:48 am, John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> On Sep 26, 11:15 pm, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >>>> "Michael"<mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> > >>>>news:d36d36eb-dba7-4f85-a482-fc91e8fa2c23@t16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>>>> As bad as Hunter is, the cs has not even considered putting
> > >>>>> Ducasse
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>> the game... Rex spoke up in defense of Ducasse in the pre-season,
> > >>>>> but
> > >>>>> actions speak truth. Can you imagine just how bad Ducasse must be
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>> order for the cs to keep him out of the game EVEN with Hunter
> > >>>>> looking
> > >>>>> so horrendous ???
>
> > >>>>> How the hell did they ever go into the season with this line ???
>
> > >>>> Michael...a lot of folks seem to be asking that question. I think
> > >>>> all
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> late preseason crap Rex was spouting off on about how they were
> > >>>> opening
> > >>>> it
> > >>>> up, going to throw the ball was just cover for the fact they suck
> > >>>> as
> > >>>> far
> > >>>> as
> > >>>> any running game goes. Somebody did a horrendous job on this O line
> > >>>> depth.
> > >>>> John seems to think it was just circumstances and injuries...
>
> > >>> Yes, injuries are part of it because it weakened our depth at 3
> > >>> slots
> > >>> but based on what Hunter has done I would agree with you that
> > >>> someone
> > >>> screwed up. Someone over estimated Hunter or maybe underestimated
> > >>> how
> > >>> bad the RT would look w/o Hunter playing "TE." Could that be it?
>
> > >>>> I don't think
> > >>>> that. It's not like they have one guy who is weak...they have a
> > >>>> collection
> > >>>> of them. If Hunter is better than Ducasse...Vlad should be doing
> > >>>> whatever
> > >>>> it was he went to school for...not playing football.
>
> > >>> I hope to God they aren't holding onto him because he was a 2nd
> > >>> rounder. there are guys out there why aren't we bringing them in?
>
> > >>>http://www.nfl.com/player/danielloper/2506486/profile
>
> > >>>> The thing that gets me
> > >>>> is Baxter was not the weak link on the O line, it didn't look that
> > >>>> way
> > >>>> to me
> > >>>> at least...he is not Mangold...but unless Mangold comes back
> > >>>> soon...they
> > >>>> are
> > >>>> in some serious trouble...Sanchez will not last long.- Hide quoted
> > >>>> text -
>
> > >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> that's probably the case... the guy(s) behind the pick is being a
> > >> "save-ass"
>
> > >> Did you ever wonder how many horrendous situations go on today
> > >> because
> > >> of
> > >> this new "never admit you were wrong, save ass" attitude?- Hide
> > >> quoted
> > >> text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > no... i dont wonder about it... i *know* all about it. i see it in
> > > business every single day. not so much with sales professionals who's
> > > income is self determined based on effort and ability or people that
> > > actually make/produce somthing within a company, but i see it from
> > > high level management all the time. oddly enough, people in upper
> > > management/administration that are the biggest "save asses" almost
> > > always turn out to be the ones that are the hardest to get rid of
> > > along with being the most destructive to an organization's mission.
> > > they know full well that they have little practical advantage over
> > > others, so they put all their effort into building a protective
> > > network of cronies to sustain themselves... the cronies also tend to
> > > be useless "yes men" that are also destructive. who HASNT seen it
> > > yet ???
>
> > > I was hoping some genius could come up with a statistic telling us how
> > > many
> > > "save ass" assholes created what percentage of all the problems today
> > > :-)
> > > Boy do I hear you loud and clear...the clowns that ran the last place
> > > I
> > > worked were right at the top....they took a very productive
> > > organization
> > > and
> > > turned it into a mess and now it is a mere shell of what it once
> > > was...but
> > > they are all sure they "have a handle on it now...can get our arms
> > > around
> > > it...take a bit out of it...can huddle up and get a good game plan for
> > > this...." and on and on with all the BS...while Rome burns. I'm glad
> > > I'm
> > > retired. But...they did steal most of my pension :-)
>
> > Sorry to hear about your pension. Mine SEEMS fairly safe now, but I do
> > want to say a word about the "save asses" you and Michael have been
> > talking about: those in education are lethal to the future, and they
> > abound in the administrations of all systems.
>
> > Small rant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Internal politics in education and medicine is the most execrable. By
> their nature, you would think that those two fields would attract a
> higher quality of person. Few if any self aggrandizing shit-heels�
> Unfortunately, not the case� Plenty of people there are "out to
> improve the human condition", but your full complement of jeark-off's
> still shows up there too.
>
> A lot of the "clinicians"...the people in direct patient contact are great
> and well motivated...but the administrators, the people who "rise" to the
> levels above mid management are absolutely horrible quite often. I was
> always amused that we would be advising and counseling patients to accept
> responsibility for their recovery, admit when they were wrong and take
> control of their lives. Then, we would go to some kind of training and be
> told, "never admit you are wrong.....talk to the attorney first....always
> have a set of reasons why you did something"....total contradictions in
> what
> the system knew and accepted was the right way to live and how they
> planned
> to conduct business. I actually think I lasted quite a few years longer at
> this one place because I knew too much. Some things had gone down that I
> was very aware of and I think they felt they had no choice but to keep me
> or
> kill me. When they closed entire units they always found a job for me and
> usually let me do something I wanted to do...that was after some
> incredible
> discoveries on my part. A very interesting experience...but always knew
> they could not be trusted. In some of the very high end specialties
> doctors
> sometimes take control and it is not as bad...but the "health
> administrators" usually mean "witholders of services...ways to cut
> corners....not really do the job"....you were quite correct in your
> analysis. And education...that was already a lost cause when I left it
> long
> ago...spent my last years in education and coaching at a parochial school.
> Better...but still nuts.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

in business, people rise to the top for two reasons most of the
time... in a well run and managed organization, people rise to
leadership positions because they are qualified and they worked very
hard. in snake pits, the people that come into power usually do so
because they are the most likely to have no reservations about swiming
along with a culture of corruption and being oppertunistic even if
their actions are destructive and counter productive. it's classic...
all of us have seen it. i work for a major manufacturer and service
large accounts. over the years, i have formed long standing and close
relationships with people that work for the businesses that I sell
to. they include small, medium and fortune 500 companies... i hear
all sorts of stories all the time. most people are fair and
productive, but there is always the case of the man/woman that worms
their way into a position of power and causes all sorts of problems
because they are horrible people and horrible at their position. those
types always have their bag of dirty tricks to harm people that
protest against their mal administration.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Amen

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Lucas nailed it....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/08cbd00bccaf57f0?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 9:06 am
From: Michael


On Sep 27, 8:28 pm, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 25, 8:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 25, 8:16 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > If you listened to post game show...Ray Lucas called it totally
> > > correct...and then, Klecko who gave everybody a pass in the grading even
> > > said they can't keep running this unimaginative power running game...they
> > > need to trap and do some other things....PLEASE let Klecko go tell that to
> > > the jackass that is the OC...he can't get it...he is so freakin bad he can
> > > not make an adjustment that any decent high school coach would make...they
> > > run one freaking trap and it works..so never do it again.
>
> > > This team is horrible...nothing good to look at at all.  Both sides of the
> > > ball.
>
> > papa... i dont agree... the defense played good enough to win.  they
> > got hoodwinked twice, but that did not cost them the game.  the
> > constant problem game in and game out is schotty.  cro made a mistake,
> > but the jets offense sucks. it is not the players.  it is the scheme
> > and play calling.  if schotty come back next season, i am cancelling
> > my season tickets.
>
> Michael, my main man, this is about as delusional as it gets. The Jets
> defense gave up 27 points (I'll eliminate the Cromartie gaffe TD), a
> shitload of rushing yards and got their asses handed to them from
> whistle to whistle.
>
> Do I have somewhat similar feelings about RexHeimer Ball? Of course.
> Remember this is Rex's team/offense - not Schotty's
>
> So never let Schotty shit mask defensive poopy. The Jets defense has
> gotten shredded 2/3 of games this year. And going back to the AFC
> Championship it has gotten flattened by opposing rushing attacks 2/4
> last games.
>
> I'm never one to support RexHeimer Ball and it hasn't been good, but
> I'll also state other facts: the Jets defense hasn't been good this
> year.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

err... life... how many raiders points came off of jet turn overs ???

how many of the raiders running yards came off of very long plays that
could have been stopped. they did not bull dozer the jets for all
those yards by picking up five yards at a time up and down the field.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: The best football team in the world.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7b9a87b5cc0c905e?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 12:16 pm
From: mustafizur rahman


hi, i am a new member of this group.Plz visit the following site :

http://barca2day.blogspot.com/2011/09/barcelona-football-club.html

==============================================================================
TOPIC: O Ye of Little Faith
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/145b806d71d1f4b8?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 2:30 pm
From: JetsLife


On Sep 27, 10:29 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3ecb90ee-e915-4058-a797-185c2b4bcf52@h34g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> : Are the Jets imperfect? Of course. Is it possible as I've thought in
> : the past and others have postulated: we'll never win it all with
> : RexHeimer running the offense? Maybe.
> :
> : And again it ain't Schotty: it's Rex. He is the boss. And are they
> : somewhat limited by Sanchez's non-dart like arm of the elites? Not
> : that'd I trade any other QB for Sanchez. I stand behind my own.
> :
> : Again: the ONLY thing beautiful in today's NFL is the final score. So
> : far we've put up more points 2/3 of times. That's a 66% success rate -
> : not great but not bad.
> :
> : Dalllas and Oakland were swing games in my opinion - we could've
> : easily won/lost both. We split.
> :
> : And lest we forget: Dallas & Oakland are two solid, likely playoff-
> : bound outfits.
> :
> : Do we have problems? Certainly. Does everyone else? Most definitely.
> : Will the outfits who want it the most be the last ones standing?
> : Without question.
>
> I must differ. A team could very well want it more than the others but they
> may not have the depth of personnel to see it through. The 2010 Packers are
> the perfect example of having depth when those next man up plug-in scenarios
> raise their ugly little heads. You have depth and you will be there and
> strong come the playoffs.
>
> --
>      ~Drew
>
>            "Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
>             Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

Yes you're right. I should've qualified 'all things being equal
regarding talent' - teams wanting it the most go furthest. And I'm not
just talking about the players, but the team-wide ethos from top to
bottom. Winning franchises are based on a culture of winning and
burning desire to do whatever it takes to win.

Clearly talent and depth of talent are most critical, just pointing
out that talent being equal culture & desire have a helluva to do with
who wins it all.

For example, the Raiders were visibly more the aggressor last week v.
the Jets: hurry-up offense, aggressive blitzing defense, more risk-
taking across the board. The Jets - not as much. They were fairly
bland and less aggressive compared to the Raiders approach. So in some
sense: Oakland's desire to do whatever it took to win outstripped New
York's.

As for Green Bay last year, yes their depth shown through. It also
didn't hurt they had an Aaron Rodgers spraying darts near and far.
That guy is amazing.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 2:33 pm
From: JetsLife


On Sep 27, 11:54 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <oldna...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
> news:30369185.576.1317177795132.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqma37...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:51:48 PM UTC-4, JetsLife wrote:
> >> Are the Jets imperfect? Of course. Is it possible as I've thought in
> >> the past and others have postulated: we'll never win it all with
> >> RexHeimer running the offense? Maybe.
>
> >> And again it ain't Schotty: it's Rex. He is the boss. And are they
> >> somewhat limited by Sanchez's non-dart like arm of the elites? Not
> >> that'd I trade any other QB for Sanchez. I stand behind my own.
>
> >> Again: the ONLY thing beautiful in today's NFL is the final score. So
> >> far we've put up more points 2/3 of times. That's a 66% success rate -
> >> not great but not bad.
>
> >> Dalllas and Oakland were swing games in my opinion - we could've
> >> easily won/lost both. We split.
>
> >> And lest we forget: Dallas & Oakland are two solid, likely playoff-
> >> bound outfits.
>
> >> Do we have problems? Certainly. Does everyone else? Most definitely.
> >> Will the outfits who want it the most be the last ones standing?
> >> Without question.
>
> > The most sensible post I've read here in a while.
>
> Dallas and Oakland are solidly playoff teams??????  That is sensible??????
> Show me that statistic.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I said they are "solid, likely-playoff bound outfits." I didn't say
"solidly playoff teams." That is a wholly different supposition than
what I said.

I think they're both solid outfits, and I think they may be playoff
bound.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 4:11 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:54:42 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
> <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:30369185.576.1317177795132.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqma37...
> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:51:48 PM UTC-4, JetsLife wrote:
> >> Are the Jets imperfect? Of course. Is it possible as I've thought in
> >> the past and others have postulated: we'll never win it all with
> >> RexHeimer running the offense? Maybe.
> >>
> >> And again it ain't Schotty: it's Rex. He is the boss. And are they
> >> somewhat limited by Sanchez's non-dart like arm of the elites? Not
> >> that'd I trade any other QB for Sanchez. I stand behind my own.
> >>
> >> Again: the ONLY thing beautiful in today's NFL is the final score. So
> >> far we've put up more points 2/3 of times. That's a 66% success rate -
> >> not great but not bad.
> >>
> >> Dalllas and Oakland were swing games in my opinion - we could've
> >> easily won/lost both. We split.
> >>
> >> And lest we forget: Dallas & Oakland are two solid, likely playoff-
> >> bound outfits.
> >>
> >> Do we have problems? Certainly. Does everyone else? Most definitely.
> >> Will the outfits who want it the most be the last ones standing?
> >> Without question.
> >
> > The most sensible post I've read here in a while.
>
> Dallas and Oakland are solidly playoff teams?????? That is sensible??????

I said "most sensible in a while" -- all things are relative.

Overall, some personal quibbles aside, the thoughts are the least hyperbolic and most sensicble I've seen here in a while.

Certainly more so than all the "We Lost a Game!! It's the End of The World!! We All Knew Who Would End the World And Of Course We Were RIGHT!!!" posts.

>> Show me that statistic.

27.6%

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 5:16 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:9076345.885.1317251519270.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgn17...
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:54:42 PM UTC-4, Papa Carl wrote:
>> <oldn...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:30369185.576.1317177795132.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqma37...
>> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:51:48 PM UTC-4, JetsLife wrote:
>> >> Are the Jets imperfect? Of course. Is it possible as I've thought in
>> >> the past and others have postulated: we'll never win it all with
>> >> RexHeimer running the offense? Maybe.
>> >>
>> >> And again it ain't Schotty: it's Rex. He is the boss. And are they
>> >> somewhat limited by Sanchez's non-dart like arm of the elites? Not
>> >> that'd I trade any other QB for Sanchez. I stand behind my own.
>> >>
>> >> Again: the ONLY thing beautiful in today's NFL is the final score. So
>> >> far we've put up more points 2/3 of times. That's a 66% success rate -
>> >> not great but not bad.
>> >>
>> >> Dalllas and Oakland were swing games in my opinion - we could've
>> >> easily won/lost both. We split.
>> >>
>> >> And lest we forget: Dallas & Oakland are two solid, likely playoff-
>> >> bound outfits.
>> >>
>> >> Do we have problems? Certainly. Does everyone else? Most definitely.
>> >> Will the outfits who want it the most be the last ones standing?
>> >> Without question.
>> >
>> > The most sensible post I've read here in a while.
>>
>> Dallas and Oakland are solidly playoff teams?????? That is
>> sensible??????
>
> I said "most sensible in a while" -- all things are relative.
>
> Overall, some personal quibbles aside, the thoughts are the least
> hyperbolic and most sensicble I've seen here in a while.
>
> Certainly more so than all the "We Lost a Game!! It's the End of The
> World!! We All Knew Who Would End the World And Of Course We Were
> RIGHT!!!" posts.
>
>>> Show me that statistic.
>
> 27.6%

I guess you didn't read some of mine.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 6:02 pm
From: "R�vNsf�n �"


"JetsLife" <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2176fe32-d41a-4482-af05-6f0d996c9fb4@k34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 27, 10:29 pm, "R�vNsf�n �" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> "JetsLife" <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3ecb90ee-e915-4058-a797-185c2b4bcf52@h34g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> : Are the Jets imperfect? Of course. Is it possible as I've thought in
> : the past and others have postulated: we'll never win it all with
> : RexHeimer running the offense? Maybe.
> :
> : And again it ain't Schotty: it's Rex. He is the boss. And are they
> : somewhat limited by Sanchez's non-dart like arm of the elites? Not
> : that'd I trade any other QB for Sanchez. I stand behind my own.
> :
> : Again: the ONLY thing beautiful in today's NFL is the final score. So
> : far we've put up more points 2/3 of times. That's a 66% success rate -
> : not great but not bad.
> :
> : Dalllas and Oakland were swing games in my opinion - we could've
> : easily won/lost both. We split.
> :
> : And lest we forget: Dallas & Oakland are two solid, likely playoff-
> : bound outfits.
> :
> : Do we have problems? Certainly. Does everyone else? Most definitely.
> : Will the outfits who want it the most be the last ones standing?
> : Without question.
>
> I must differ. A team could very well want it more than the others but
> they
> may not have the depth of personnel to see it through. The 2010 Packers
> are
> the perfect example of having depth when those next man up plug-in
> scenarios
> raise their ugly little heads. You have depth and you will be there and
> strong come the playoffs.
>
> --
> ~Drew
>
> "Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
> Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

Yes you're right. I should've qualified 'all things being equal
regarding talent' - teams wanting it the most go furthest. And I'm not
just talking about the players, but the team-wide ethos from top to
bottom. Winning franchises are based on a culture of winning and
burning desire to do whatever it takes to win.

Clearly talent and depth of talent are most critical, just pointing
out that talent being equal culture & desire have a helluva to do with
who wins it all.

For example, the Raiders were visibly more the aggressor last week v.
the Jets: hurry-up offense, aggressive blitzing defense, more risk-
taking across the board. The Jets - not as much. They were fairly
bland and less aggressive compared to the Raiders approach. So in some
sense: Oakland's desire to do whatever it took to win outstripped New
York's.

As for Green Bay last year, yes their depth shown through. It also
didn't hurt they had an Aaron Rodgers spraying darts near and far.
That guy is amazing.

I agree that the Raiders were extremely aggressive and physical. I feel that
could have been anticipated however given the Jets reputation for
physicality under their HC Rex Ryan. Consider the Raiders advantages for the
Raiders however. They were at home for their Opening Day in front of a crowd
that was as jazzed as the Raiders players and that trickles down to
maintaining aggressiveness during the game.

Also, what did the Raiders have to lose by utilizing such an aggressive game
plan against the JETS? Honestly, if I am the Raiders HC I also come out just
as aggressively against not only the JETS, but every east coast team that
travels to Oakland via air and will experience some degree of jet-lag. I
have seen very good teams that went into the playoffs (Ravens, Steelers),
lose to Oakland in the H.O.T. due to travel fatigue. Brian Billick took the
Ravens to Oakland in the middle of the week to practice and acclimate the
team prior to the AFC Championship game. He did the same when traveling to
Denver for the same reasons which of course included acclimating to the
altitude there. The trip definitely has an effect on the body and Rex knew
this from being with the Ravens when they won the SB in 2000.

Kudos to Oakland for a well deserved win, however, ...and this is not to
take anything away from the Raiders, I have watched the Ravens and other
east coast teams lose to a few seriously dysfunctional Raiders teams. So
unless someone tells me that Rex had the team in Oakland mid-week prior to
the game, I have to place some of the blame for the JETS over-all weak
defensive performance on the fatigue factor brought on by cross-country
travel.

Without any doubt, Aaron Rogers has risen to being among the elite QB's in
the NFL in a short time. It seems like he came out of nowhere really. During
the past decade, beginning the new millennium, I never considered the
majority of NFC teams as being a threat to the AFC in the SB. Obviously that
is no longer the case.
--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just go play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

==============================================================================
TOPIC: On the positive side...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6b10c92fe9342d82?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 2:36 pm
From: JetsLife


On Sep 27, 4:47 am, oldna...@mindspring.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2011 6:37:02 PM UTC-4, JKConey wrote:
> > We did have a nice lead. Kerley looked good, I'd like to see more of him,
> > plus the wildcat a bit. Contained the outside well for awhile. I counted 2
> > passes, one for a TD, that hit off hands or chests. Not all Crows penalties
> > were justified. Loud rowdy stadium, great rush, and missing best Center in
> > the NFL.  Reverse half of those and it's an easy win. I look for a great
> > effort next week in a bigger, tougher game.
>
> Positive side?
>
> Sanchez had probably his best game as a pro, most yardage ever, 2-1 TDs to picks, 63% completions.  
>
> And through three games he's off to by far his best season start. Real improvement it looks like, so far.
>
> Considering how long people have been waiting for this, and how important it is, one would think somebody would've mentioned it (besides me).
>
> Ah, but maybe some people fear it could be taken as reflecting well on the O and the OC, and such is verbotten!  :-)

Good for you. I've always been a staunch Sanchez supporter.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Former Jets SB QB "Joe Namath" Invited To Compete For Back-up Role
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2bc06d769b4c5247?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 6:45 pm
From: "R�vNsf�n �"


<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:28043129.523.1317179166162.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqmw31...
Rex is right that Namath doesn't know what goes on behind the team's closed
doors.

Namath is right that over-praising your guys to boost their morale can
backfire badly.

The "self-esteem movement" of the past generation in education -- which
held that if you kept telling kids how good they are then they'd feel good
about themselves tand his (somehow) would lead to higher achievement -- has
totally blown up. In reality kids aren't stupid, and the message they get is
"if I can get praise and 'be great' by doing nothing, then I'll do
nothing!".

Namath is right that if this is what Rex is doing it's a mistake.

But Rex is right that Namath doesn't know that Rex is doing this.

I have a very hard time believing that any coach named "Ryan, son of Buddy"
could be such a candy-butt.

And after watching him this long I am *very* sure that Rex is *very*
manipulative of the press in getting out the public story lines he wants to
see in the media while hiding what's going on for real in private -- the
best manipulator of the press in NYC since Tuna.

That being an important skill for a HC that Buddy never learned.

--
Rex learned a lot while coaching under Brian Billick, the "ultimate" players
HC. He witnessed first-hand Billick's mishandling of player personnel, the
media, referees and the league president himself. Smug and arrogent were
terms associated to Billick more so than genius and guru ever were.

A stint in any other organization outside of NY was not likely to have
prepped Rex for NY, however, watching Billick definately exposed him to the
pitfalls of believing in your own media hype and coddling his players etc..
--
~Drew

"Talk is cheap, ...lets just play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Insanity: Jets, OT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/95948db773183973?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 28 2011 6:44 pm
From: JetsLife


I was talking with my wife the other day about "radicalism," radical
politics.

And I realized: so if turning away from your conscience and acting on
it is "radical" - that means doing otherwise is "normal"?

Point being: I think that most folks myself included who act normal,
follow rules, pay taxes, etc etc - in fact we're the radicals. We
allow our youth to go off and fight in foreign lands far away from
their loved ones - and for what?

Is that normal? To me *that* is radical, abnormal, utterly nuts. And
at that - the way we go about our lives pretending people aren't being
semi slave-waged worked to death for our comfort conveniences?

So who is "radical," really? What is normal? The prevailing culture,
slotting oneself in to it and pretending nothing's wrong with doing
so?

As for the Jets: two points.

- When I dare mention that desire, the outfit that wants it the most
being critical to victory:

Thus far unless I've missed some posts most responses have largely
been: 'desire doesn't matter' etc.

Which couldn't be furthest from historical truth. It's an axiom as old
as time: you only get what you really want.

The examples in sports/general history are as numbered as the days:
'85 Bears - yes great talent but that defense was infused with fire.
Same thing '00 Ravens.

Do you think the Steelers didn't come out more fiery, desirous revved-
up than the Jets beginning the AFC Championship? Or the Raiders
offense last week from whistle to whistle?

All of these winners - coaches and players alike - wanted it more than
the other side.

Yet seemingly at the first mention of desire being a key part to
victory for the Jets or any outfit - people say talent this, something
that.

Historical perspective: as anyone knows Nazi Germany had the will to
fight - England & France didn't, Hitler knew they were weak. Germany
was hungry for some payback.

Pearl Harbor, 9/11 attacks: those folks had a burning desire - as
wrong as they were - to do it. And they ignited wars.

And on and on through history. Desire and aggression force results
sometimes victorious. The opposite: weakness invites attack, and never
wins.

I feel Rex knows as much.

- Why is it some folks in here start going, well, semi insane three
games in to the campaign?

That's why I say "O Ye of Little Faith."

Every NFL campaign is a week-to-week event. All of us would've
preferred to be 3-0 waltzing in to Baltimore.

To me be we 0-3, 1-2, 2-1, 3-0: these are the regular-season games you
live for. It's a chance at payback for those fuckers beating us at
home last year.


==============================================================================

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets"
group.

To post to this group, visit http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets?hl=en

To unsubscribe from this group, send email to alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com

To change the way you get mail from this group, visit:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/subscribe?hl=en

To report abuse, send email explaining the problem to abuse@googlegroups.com

==============================================================================
Google Groups: http://groups.google.com/?hl=en

gsk

https://secure.shareit.com/shareit/checkout.html?PRODUCT[300429992]=1&languageid=1&stylefrom=300429992&backlink=http%3A%2F%2Fforexguide.blogspot.com&cookies=1¤cies=USD&pts=VISA,MASTERCARD,AMEX,DC