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ASIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION - URGENT APPEALS PROGRAMME

Urgent Appeal Case: AHRC-UAC-188-2011



4 October 2011
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INDIA: Woman commits suicide after suffering from police abuse in Murshidabad

ISSUES: Torture; police abuse; impunity; rule of law
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Dear friends,

The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) has learnt that a woman victim of police abuse committed suicide in Jemoumapara village, Murshidabad district, West Bengal, India. Ms Mithu Dey was abused and assaulted in the presence of several villagers by personnel of the Kandi Police Station. The police raided her house on 3 August 2011 in search of her husband, who was wanted in a criminal case. Without any arrest warrant, Mithu Dey and her minor son were taken to Kandi Police Station where they were further subjected to torture, before being released the following evening. Soon after returning home, Mithu hung herself in her room, reportedly being unable to overcome the mental and physical trauma she had suffered at the hands of the police.

CASE NARRATIVE:

According to information from MASUM, a human rights group in West Bengal, Mithu Dey was abused and assaulted in the presence of several villagers by personnel of the Kandi Police Station who raided her house on 3 August 2011 in search of her husband, who was wanted in a criminal case. Without any arrest warrant, Mithu Dey and her minor son were taken to Kandi Police Station where they were further subjected to torture, before being released the following evening. Soon after returning home, Mithu hung herself in her room, reportedly being unable to overcome the mental and physical trauma she had suffered at the hands of the police.

The victim's husband Mr. Rajkumar Dey is an accused in connection with a criminal case (no. 318/2011 dated 3 August 2011 under sections 302/201 of the Indian Penal Code). The case was registered for the murder of Sukumar Dey, a relative of the victim. Since the lodging of the case Mr Rajkumar Dey started to hide due to fear of police harassment.

At the time of Sukumar's murder, he was at the residence of Ms. Binapani Dey, Rajkumar's mother. She used to live alone as there was an allegedly uncomfortable relationship between herself and her son. Every night one of her relatives or someone from the village used to stay at her residence with her. On the night of Sukumar's murder, he was the one staying with her. The villagers suspect Rajkumar of the murder as he was not seen in the village since then.

The Kandi police visited Rajkumar's house but could not find him. On August 3 at about 11am police personnel Sub-Inspector Mr Premashish Chattaraj, Sub-Inspector Mr Haralal Biswas and female constable Kakali Mukherjee again raided his house, but again could not find him. They became furious and ransacked the house. They also allegedly assaulted Rajkumar's wife and son. According to Mithu's neighbours Ms Sunita Dey, wife of Mr Soumendranath Dey and Ms Parvati Dey, wife of Mr Jagabandhu Dey, police constable Kakali Mukherjee was instructed by the two Sub-Inspectors to grab Mithu's hair and slapped her face while asking for the whereabouts of her husband. The police then forcibly took Mithu and her son Sourav to the police station, where they were illegally detained. There, under the pretence of interrogation, they were tortured.

Mithu and Sourav were released on August 4. Unable to bear the trauma of the humiliation and torture she suffered, Mithu committed suicide that night, as reported by her family members and the local villagers. An unnatural death case was registered at the police station (no. 175/2011 dated 5 August 2011). The post mortem examination was held on the same day at Kandi Sub-Divisional Hospital. The doctor who conducted the examination, Dr. Hansaraj Chattopadhya refused to disclose the cause of death to MASUM.

When MASUM visited the Kandi Police Station on August 7 to inquire about the police atrocities committed against Mithu, Inspector-in-Charge Jotish Chandra Roy only said he was not present at the station on that day, and would not disclose any further information regarding the incident.

We have learnt that Rajkumar surrendered himself to the court and is presently in custody. The whereabouts of Rajkumar's mother and son are presently unknown.

Detaining a person with the intention to force the surrender of a relative is an offence under Section 348 of the Indian Penal Code, 1860. Similarly, voluntarily causing hurt to a person to extract a confession is also an offence punishable under Section 330 of the Penal Code. If found guilty, the former offense calls for a mandatory imprisonment that may extend to three years and the latter for imprisonment up to seven years.

Detaining the relatives of a suspect or an absconder is a common but illegal practice, followed by the law enforcement agencies in India. The police had no reason whatsoever to detain the victim and her child at the police station for a day. In addition, they have also tortured the victim at the time they searched the victim's house and as alleged, at the police station. It is unfortunate that the victim killed herself after release from custody. The fact that the victim committed suicide immediately after her release from custody, is an aggravating factor that has to be taken into account while the case is investigated. If the investigation proves that the reason for the victim to commit suicide, is the torture and the resultant shock the victim suffered, from being illegally detained with her child at the police station and of being tortured, the police officers responsible for the crime are also punishable for yet another crime, under Section 306 of the Penal Code, for abetting suicide. The offense carries a punishment of imprisonment that may extend to a period of 10 years and fine.

Above all this, the police have no legal authority to detain a minor at the police station, as it has reported in this case.

It is reported that the police have not kept any details as to the detention of the victim and her child at the police station. This is also a usual practice the police follows in India in order to illegally detain persons. Despite repeated directions from the Supreme Court of India, the latest in the D. K. Basu case, which even led to a comprehensive amendment of the Criminal Procedure Code, 1973, the police fails to comply every statutory provisions that are required to be observed while arresting and detaining a person. This case is one more unfortunate example of this illegal and inhuman practice.

The AHRC condemns the brutal behaviour of the Kandi police that led to the death of a woman. The incident must be investigated and the responsible officers suitably punished, and steps taken to ensure that such incidents do not recur.

SUGGESTED ACTION:
Please write a letter to the authorities below demanding an immediate and effective inquiry into this incident. The police officers responsible for the illegal detention and torture of the victim must be prosecuted and punished accordingly.

Please note that the AHRC has written a separate letter to the UN Special Rapporteur on torture calling for his intervention into this matter.

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SAMPLE LETTER:

Dear ___________,

INDIA: The suicide of a woman after suffering from police abuse in Murshidabad should be investigated

Name of victim: Ms. Mithu Dey (deceased), wife of Mr. Rajkumar Dey, residing at Jemoumapara village, Murshidabad district
Names of alleged perpetrators: Sub-Inspector Mr. Premashish Chattaraj, Sub-Inspector Mr. Haralal Biswas and female constable Ms. Kakali Mukherjee of Kandi Police Station, Murshidabad district, West Bengal
Date of incident: 3 August 2011
Place of incident: Kandi Police Station, Murshidabad district

I am writing to voice my deep concern regarding the suicide of a female victim of police abuse in Jemoumapara village, Murshidabad district, West Bengal.

I have learnt that Ms Mithu Dey was abused and assaulted in the presence of several villagers by personnel of the Kandi Police Station. The police raided her house on 3 August 2011 in search of her husband, who was wanted in a criminal case. Without any arrest warrant, Mithu Dey and her minor son were taken to Kandi Police Station where they were further subjected to torture, before being released the following evening. Soon after returning home, Mithu hung herself in her room, reportedly being unable to overcome the mental and physical trauma she had suffered at the hands of the police.

The victim's husband Mr. Rajkumar Dey is an accused in the murder case of Sukumar Dey, the victim's relative (case no. 318/2011 dated 3 August 2011 under sections 302/201 of the Indian Penal Code). Since the lodging of the case Mr. Rajkumar Dey started to hide due to fear of police harassment.

At the time of Sukumar's murder, he was at the residence of Ms. Binapani Dey, Rajkumar's mother. She used to live alone as there was an allegedly uncomfortable relationship between herself and her son. Every night one of her relatives or someone from the village used to stay at her residence with her. On the night of Sukumar's murder, he was the one staying with her. The villagers suspect Rajkumar of the murder as he was not seen in the village since then.

The Kandi police visited Rajkumar's house but could not find him. On August 3 at about 11am police personnel Sub-Inspector Premashish Chattaraj, Sub-Inspector Haralal Biswas and female constable Kakali Mukherjee again raided his house, but again could not find him. They became furious and ransacked the house. They also allegedly assaulted Rajkumar's wife and son. According to Mithu's neighbours Ms. Sunita Dey, wife of Mr. Soumendranath Dey and Ms. Parvati Dey, wife of Mr. Jagabandhu Dey, police constable Kakali Mukherjee was instructed by the two Sub-Inspectors to grab Mithu's hair and slap her face while asking for the whereabouts of her husband. The police then forcibly took Mithu and her son Sourav to the police station, where they were illegally detained. There, under the pretence of interrogation, they were tortured.

Mithu and Sourav were released on August 4. Unable to bear the trauma of the humiliation and torture she suffered, Mithu committed suicide that night, as reported by her family members and the local villagers. An unnatural death case was registered at the police station (no. 175/2011 dated 5 August 2011). The post mortem examination was held on the same day at Kandi Sub-Divisional Hospital. The doctor who conducted the examination, Dr. Hansaraj Chattopadhya refused to disclose the cause of death to human rights activists.

When human rights activists visited the Kandi Police Station on August 7 to inquire about the police atrocities committed against Mithu, Inspector-in-Charge Jotish Chandra Roy only said he was not present at the station on that day, and would not disclose any further information regarding the incident.

I have learnt that Rajkumar surrendered himself to the court and is presently in custody. The whereabouts of Rajkumar's mother and son are presently unknown.

Detaining a person with the intention to force the surrender of a relative is an offence under Section 348 of the Indian Penal Code, 1860. Similarly, voluntarily causing hurt to a person to extract a confession is also an offence punishable under Section 330 of the Penal Code. If found guilty, the former offense calls for a mandatory imprisonment that may extend to three years and the latter for imprisonment up to seven years.

Detaining the relatives of a suspect or an absconder is a common but illegal practice, followed by the law enforcement agencies in India. The police had no reason whatsoever to detain the victim and her child at the police station for a day. In addition, they have also tortured the victim at the time they searched the victim's house and as alleged, at the police station. It is unfortunate that the victim killed herself after release from custody. The fact that the victim committed suicide immediately after her release from custody, is an aggravating factor that has to be taken into account while the case is investigated. If the investigation proves that the reason for the victim to commit suicide, is the torture and the resultant shock the victim suffered, from being illegally detained with her child at the police station and of being tortured, the police officers responsible for the crime are also punishable for yet another crime, under Section 306 of the Penal Code, for abetting suicide. The offense carries a punishment of imprisonment that may extend to a period of 10 years and fine.

Above all this, the police have no legal authority to detain a minor at the police station, as it has reported in this case.

It is reported that the police have not kept any details as to the detention of the victim and her child at the police station. This is also a usual practice the police follows in India in order to illegally detain persons. Despite repeated directions from the Supreme Court of India, the latest in the D. K. Basu case, which even led to a comprehensive amendment of the Criminal Procedure Code, 1973, the police fails to comply every statutory provisions that are required to be observed while arresting and detaining a person. This case is one more unfortunate example of this illegal and inhuman practice.

I am outraged by the brutal behaviour of the Kandi police that led to the untimely demise of a woman.

I therefore urge you:

1. that the police officers named above is immediately suspended from active duty;
2. the records at the police station, pertaining to the date on which the victim and her child was detained be immediately seized and kept under safe custody by the Superintendent of Police Murshidabad district;
3. that the case be investigated by the state police, and that the investigation led by a police officer not below the rank of Deputy Inspector General of Police and supervised by a judicial officer;
4. that the police take all possible steps to locate the victim's child and mother-in-law and their statements recorded;
5. that the statement of the child is recorded after providing the child adequate counselling and in the presence of the counsellor and a relative of choice of the child;
6. that if the investigation in the case reveals that the police had tortured the victim and/or the victim was illegally detained by the police, the officers charged and tried for these offences;
7. that MASUM being the only organisation that has come forward to help the victim family be informed about the progress of the investigation and actions taken in the case.
Yours sincerely,

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 12:42 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:c1f779ea-bbee-4edf-9e9a-999d771d567a@l4g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...

i'd feel a lot better about jets-ravens if mangold is able to come
back... the line is a mess as it is... with no mangold haloti n. will
feast.

I don't know how Mangold playing could have prevented Ed Reed from hitting
Sanchez on the first Jets play from scrimmage. Mount Cody played NT over
center through the majority of the game. Nada's hit from behind on Sanchez
came between the guard and tackle after they doubled him and released too
early. Perhaps his blocking calls..., but definitely his steadier hands
would have helped Sanchez.

After the Nada hit Sanchez was done. The Jets D did Flacco in with the
blind-side hit on the run for a fumble resulting in three points. I found
both QB's to be quite embarrassing. Sanchez looked like a deer in headlights
while Flacco ran around the playground holding up his skirt trying not to
trip over it, ...but failing. If either QB meets up with the Packers or
Titans D ...I believe they will burst into tears. Count in Matty ICE-melt's
performances this season thus far also and the entire class gets a max D-
thus far IMO.

As expected both D's were up and running from kick-off to impress Rex for
there own separate reasons through all quarters. Rex losing it was
unexpected as I thought he would not react like that as a HC. Mason losing
it is par for the course as he gets frustrated easily and then stops
thinking. I appreciate all the man did in B'more but that temper cost us
far too many times. I give the refs credit for holding back the laundry when
impassioned tempers began to flare.
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 1:01 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"

"Still Roper" <mark_edwards_2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:9bd2bf68-c6cc-4c28-9ba8-fc942550c0c1@x16g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
: He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
: back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
: And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
: the line couldn't hold a sunfish?

To get away from the thugs silly, ... adult attention deficit ? Your Jets
would never be observed on the field throwing punches out of frustration.
Mean ole' Ratbirds.
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== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 1:02 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com

On Monday, October 3, 2011 3:33:47 PM UTC-4, Still Roper wrote:
> He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
> back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
> And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
> the line couldn't hold a sunfish?

Did you see the fumble lost off the shotgun snap?

That's what happens when you have a novice center going against an all-pro NT doing long snaps. They couldn't even get the regular snaps right.

One thing that wasn't on Sanchez was the ref's interesting view of the laws of physics. The "fumble" Johnson ran back for a TD was ruled a fumble because Sanchez's arm wasn't going forward -- yet somehow the ball went a good five yards forward propelled by that hand-and-arm that didn't go forward.

I'll be looking for the NFL's Department of Physical Sciences to explain that one.

Take that away and the score was only Sanchez -14, Flacco -7 & Ravens Special Teams -7, so things might have been less bad.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 1:46 pm
From: "JKConey"

"Still Roper" wrote in message
news:9bd2bf68-c6cc-4c28-9ba8-fc942550c0c1@x16g2000yql.googlegroups.com...

He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
the line couldn't hold a sunfish?

No, not all, but a good chunk of it. He's shown poor accuracy way too
many times when he does have the time.

-- JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 2:02 pm
From: buRford

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:33:47 -0700 (PDT), Still Roper <mark_edwards_2000@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
>back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
>And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
>the line couldn't hold a sunfish?

I don't care who the QB is - - if ya get blindsided & crushed on the 1st play of the game,
after having your nose-broken, the week before... after having your throwing-arm mangled
the week before that... and after showing some signs of a concussion, the week before that
- - he's gonna be spooked.
That he's a kid (not even 25 yet), with an incompetent OC preparing him, doesn't help.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 3:32 pm
From: "Must Be The Air In New York"

In article <20729843.4048.1317672158017.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@yqlb4>
oldnasty@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> On Monday, October 3, 2011 3:33:47 PM UTC-4, Still Roper wrote:
> > He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
> > back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
> > And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
> > the line couldn't hold a sunfish?
>
> Did you see the fumble lost off the shotgun snap?
>
> That's what happens when you have a novice center going against an all-pro NT doing long snaps. They couldn't even get the regular snaps right.
>
> One thing that wasn't on Sanchez was the ref's interesting view of the laws of physics. The "fumble" Johnson ran back for a TD was ruled a fumble because Sanchez's arm wasn't going forward -- yet somehow the ball went a good five yards forward propelled by that hand-and-arm that didn't go forward.
>
> I'll be looking for the NFL's Department of Physical Sciences to explain that one.

A defender slapping the arm of the quarterback and propelling
the ball in a forward motion doesn't count as forward motion,
dip stick.

> Take that away and the score was only Sanchez -14, Flacco -7 & Ravens Special Teams -7, so things might have been less bad.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 5:42 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Still Roper" <mark_edwards_2000@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:9bd2bf68-c6cc-4c28-9ba8-fc942550c0c1@x16g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
> back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
> And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
> the line couldn't hold a sunfish?

Can not agree more...but he is still not able to make a good
decision...BUT....not on him yesterday. That entire team on O is horrendous
and so is the scheme.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 5:44 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:20729843.4048.1317672158017.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqlb4...
On Monday, October 3, 2011 3:33:47 PM UTC-4, Still Roper wrote:
> He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
> back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
> And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
> the line couldn't hold a sunfish?

Did you see the fumble lost off the shotgun snap?

That's what happens when you have a novice center going against an all-pro
NT doing long snaps. They couldn't even get the regular snaps right.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
WRONG...looked at it several times....that ball was TO Sanchez...not the
center's fault at all...totally on Sanchez and the rest of the team knew the
snap count, the QB didn't.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

One thing that wasn't on Sanchez was the ref's interesting view of the laws
of physics. The "fumble" Johnson ran back for a TD was ruled a fumble
because Sanchez's arm wasn't going forward -- yet somehow the ball went a
good five yards forward propelled by that hand-and-arm that didn't go
forward.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
You are absolutely right...his hand had started forward....the refs blew
several calls all day yesterday...stold the game from the Giants too
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I'll be looking for the NFL's Department of Physical Sciences to explain
that one.

Take that away and the score was only Sanchez -14, Flacco -7 & Ravens
Special Teams -7, so things might have been less bad.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 5:46 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:6c8k871vqljlm8e8k0tvd9r9a40ddr342k@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:33:47 -0700 (PDT), Still Roper
> <mark_edwards_2000@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>>He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
>>back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
>>And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
>>the line couldn't hold a sunfish?
>
> I don't care who the QB is - - if ya get blindsided & crushed on the 1st
> play of the game,
> after having your nose-broken, the week before... after having your
> throwing-arm mangled
> the week before that... and after showing some signs of a concussion, the
> week before that
> - - he's gonna be spooked.
> That he's a kid (not even 25 yet), with an incompetent OC preparing him,
> doesn't help.
__________________________________________________________________________________

They better find a new backup QB fast....or they will not have any at all in
a couple of weeks...it IS that bad.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 6:23 pm
From: buRford

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:46:22 -0400, "Papa Carl" <papa.carl@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>news:6c8k871vqljlm8e8k0tvd9r9a40ddr342k@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:33:47 -0700 (PDT), Still Roper
>> <mark_edwards_2000@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>He did have that deer in the headlights look but he had NO fukn time
>>>back there. I'd be rattled too with the thugs the Ravens have.
>>>And why is he directly behind center doing 5 to 7 foot drop backs when
>>>the line couldn't hold a sunfish?
>>
>> I don't care who the QB is - - if ya get blindsided & crushed on the 1st
>> play of the game,
>> after having your nose-broken, the week before... after having your
>> throwing-arm mangled
>> the week before that... and after showing some signs of a concussion, the
>> week before that
>> - - he's gonna be spooked.
>> That he's a kid (not even 25 yet), with an incompetent OC preparing him,
>> doesn't help.
>__________________________________________________________________________________
>
>They better find a new backup QB fast....or they will not have any at all in
>a couple of weeks...it IS that bad.
>

Despite Rex's bluster, ya know he wants to win. So, it'll be interesting to see if the O
looks exactly the same in the Pats game. Or whether they'll go back to basics, cut out
the nonsense (simplify), and let the players do what they do best.

We'll miss Cotch this week. He always played well against the Pats.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: A real RB
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/36389a83da716e3f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 1:27 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com

On Monday, October 3, 2011 11:03:23 AM UTC-4, JKConey wrote:
> I'm not saying that this is the single reason for Sanchez, Shott and
> the OL being awful, but...... after watching a guy like Arian Foster, it's
> clear that in Greene we just don't have anyone that can make some serious
> yards now and then all by himself.

Some people go on with "if only we gave Shonn more carries" as if he'd become Jim Brown's little brother.

Well, he's getting more carries than ever, for all of 3.1 per. He's not even Jim Brown's little brother's second-cousin by marriage. Shonn is a servicable back -- but as "the answer" he's just an illusion.

> What a lack of insight by management to
> decide to chase Namdy, and be so happy with our running attack?

Yup.

>What else
> does McKnight have to do to get some Leon Washington touches with this team?
> Oh by the way.... Sanchez stinks. Still inaccurate, ball handling, and poor
> decisions all game. Backup? Oh we don't have one do we?

They've decided not to have a Plan B for Sanchez -- not even a credible backup in case of injury -- for three straight years now. Go figure.

The problem with this offense is Rex and Tanny designed it intentionally to be this way. Letting the line and running game decay. This is they O they built, so this is the O they've got. How is it going to change?

The let Woody go because they were cheap. They thought if they cut him he'd have to come back for less. But he said "Hey, TV will pay me good money and I don't have to get battered every weekend, goodbye!" Ooops. And they didn't have a replacement. Way to build an offensive line!

The NFL.com highlights run during the game had a video of Rex on the sideline grinning and smiling and yelling "Yeah! Ground and pound and completions, that's Jets football!!"

WTF team was he watching???

>
> JK Sinrod
> www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 4:37 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:j6cirq$9mp$1@dont-email.me...
> I'm not saying that this is the single reason for Sanchez, Shott and
> the OL being awful, but...... after watching a guy like Arian Foster, it's
> clear that in Greene we just don't have anyone that can make some serious
> yards now and then all by himself. What a lack of insight by management
> to decide to chase Namdy, and be so happy with our running attack? What
> else does McKnight have to do to get some Leon Washington touches with
> this team? Oh by the way.... Sanchez stinks. Still inaccurate, ball
> handling, and poor decisions all game. Backup? Oh we don't have one do we?
>
>
>
> JK Sinrod
> www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

Well....it's clear to me why they keep LT in so much....because he actually
knows how to block and gets it done, makes the effort...Greene can not block
and he appears to have no lateral vision...maybe it is because the blocking
is as bad as it gets...but he just puts his head down and plows...to me, it
looks as though they just want to survive and move on tot he next team they
can get to.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 4:39 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"paddy_nyr" <philpott.patrick@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:062ebc07-80a6-4ce7-8037-7377832b0413@s9g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 3, 11:03 am, "JKConey" <jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I'm not saying that this is the single reason for Sanchez, Shott and
> the OL being awful, but...... after watching a guy like Arian Foster, it's
> clear that in Greene we just don't have anyone that can make some serious
> yards now and then all by himself. What a lack of insight by management to
> decide to chase Namdy, and be so happy with our running attack? What else
> does McKnight have to do to get some Leon Washington touches with this
> team?
> Oh by the way.... Sanchez stinks. Still inaccurate, ball handling, and
> poor
> decisions all game. Backup? Oh we don't have one do we?
>
> JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
>
>
I would be shocked if McKnight doesn't get some touches this week.

As of right now Sanchez has taken a step back.

______________________________________________________________________________

Step back...he went all the way back to high school, but so would most QB's
in that situation...he has NO protection and terrible play calling to
boot...that INT for a TD....come on!!!! In scoring position and you throw
one of the most dangerous passes in all of football???? And one he has had
trouble throwing in the past????? This whole thing is beyond pathetic. It
really is an embarrassment and a disgrace.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 4:40 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:12221865.3662.1317673620911.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbr29...
On Monday, October 3, 2011 11:03:23 AM UTC-4, JKConey wrote:
> I'm not saying that this is the single reason for Sanchez, Shott and
> the OL being awful, but...... after watching a guy like Arian Foster, it's
> clear that in Greene we just don't have anyone that can make some serious
> yards now and then all by himself.

Some people go on with "if only we gave Shonn more carries" as if he'd
become Jim Brown's little brother.

Well, he's getting more carries than ever, for all of 3.1 per. He's not
even Jim Brown's little brother's second-cousin by marriage. Shonn is a
servicable back -- but as "the answer" he's just an illusion.

> What a lack of insight by management to
> decide to chase Namdy, and be so happy with our running attack?

Yup.

>What else
> does McKnight have to do to get some Leon Washington touches with this
> team?
> Oh by the way.... Sanchez stinks. Still inaccurate, ball handling, and
> poor
> decisions all game. Backup? Oh we don't have one do we?

They've decided not to have a Plan B for Sanchez -- not even a credible
backup in case of injury -- for three straight years now. Go figure.

The problem with this offense is Rex and Tanny designed it intentionally to
be this way. Letting the line and running game decay. This is they O they
built, so this is the O they've got. How is it going to change?

The let Woody go because they were cheap. They thought if they cut him he'd
have to come back for less. But he said "Hey, TV will pay me good money and
I don't have to get battered every weekend, goodbye!" Ooops. And they
didn't have a replacement. Way to build an offensive line!

The NFL.com highlights run during the game had a video of Rex on the
sideline grinning and smiling and yelling "Yeah! Ground and pound and
completions, that's Jets football!!"

WTF team was he watching???

>
> JK Sinrod
> www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

____________________________________________________________________________________________

Here's a newsflash Grinch...Rex never watches the Offense...doesn't really
care about it...he gave it all away...he really wants to be to DC in
Baltimore.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Why is Schotty still around ?!?!?! Suggest a motive...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/febe89328f29a9d0?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 1:50 pm
From: "JKConey"

"Michael" wrote in message
news:a747fd72-66d9-477f-b7c4-d49b147cff41@i28g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...

I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
left on the planet. If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
for this thread. You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
mirror.

What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
so long. What the f*** is the real motive ???

I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.

That leaves me with a few questions. Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ??? So far, all
we got was the Tom Moore hiring.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

There's no way to find logic when it comes to in season loyalty. No one
bashed Kotite during the season either. Coslet wouldn't budge when it came
to getting O help and it cost him the job. Rex has tunnel vision when it
comes to the offense, and it will cost him as well.

-- JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 1:55 pm
From: buRford

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

>I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
>still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
>left on the planet. If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
>for this thread. You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
>mirror.
>
>What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
>so long. What the f*** is the real motive ???
>
>I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.
>
>That leaves me with a few questions. Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
>showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ??? So far, all
>we got was the Tom Moore hiring.
>
>Was Rex actually convinced that he could ride out one last season of
>the Schotty contract despite Schotty's incompatnace ??? What reason
>would Rex have to be so political about Schotty. Where is the juice
>coming from ??? What the f*** is going on ?!?!?! How can an entire
>professional football franchise not see just how unbeliveably bad
>Schotty is. Why is Ryan, such a competitive coach, not foaming at the
>mouth over the fact that his offensive coach may very well be the
>worst OC in the pro game ???
>
>The Jets offense is so bad, the defense is starting to mail it in.

I know a lot of peeps think, like you, it has something to do with Woody.
I don't.
I think how Rex continually ignores the offense, shows what it may be... he just doesn't
want to deal with it, and doesn't give it much thought.
I really think, judging by his comments, that Rex is blind to the fact that he's the HC of
the whole team. He delegates the STs to Westhoff, who reports to him & tells him about
the gameplan, & and new wrinkles. The same with the offense.
He obviously has final say on everything, but just trusts who he's given responsibility
to, & then gets back to his baby... the D.

He's always calling out the D, yet, even yesterday, said it was all the Ravens D, & never
questioned the O. It's probably different behind the scenes, but in the end IMHO, he's
abdicated his throne of responsibility on the O, & just doesn't want to be bothered.

And I do think, if it was Woody, some kind of snide comment would've spewed from Rex's
lips by now. He's not exactly shy, nor closed-mouthed about his feelings, or thoughts.
And I doubt he'd be able to sit still, as he watched his OC destroy his career.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 2:12 pm
From: - Rob -

On Oct 3, 1:23 pm, Still Roper <mark_edwards_2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 1:36 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
> > still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
> > left on the planet.  If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
> > for this thread.  You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
> > mirror.
>
> > What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
> > so long.  What the f*** is the real motive ???
>
> > I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.
>
> > That leaves me with a few questions.  Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
> > showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ???  So far, all
> > we got was the Tom Moore hiring.
>
> > Was Rex actually convinced that he could ride out one last season of
> > the Schotty contract despite Schotty's incompatnace ??? What reason
> > would Rex have to be so political about Schotty.  Where is the juice
> > coming from ??? What the f*** is going on ?!?!?!  How can an entire
> > professional football franchise not see just how unbeliveably bad
> > Schotty is. Why is Ryan, such a competitive coach, not foaming at the
> > mouth over the fact that his offensive coach may very well be the
> > worst OC in the pro game ???
>
> > The Jets offense is so bad, the defense is starting to mail it in.
>
> I'm all for continuilty but as I was watching last night's debacle...I
> saw a hopeless offensive gameplan.
> Not execution (which was downright awful) but the gameplan itself was
> sooooooo predictable.  How many times have we thrown on 1st down
> (incomplete mind you) and then run a 20 GUT play for little or no
> gain?  I knew it was coming so most definetly the Ravens did.  No
> creativity.  Our best play of the night was running our FB counter for
> 13yds.  Yaa...that'll get us far.
>
> R

I totally agree. And the in-game management was even worse than the
game plan. It's practically lesson 1 of Football 101 to make certain
types of adjustments when a big pass rush is repeatedly getting to the
QB. You use screens, draws, the no-huddle, etc. to put the defense on
its heels. Hell...if there's one thing Sanchez has proven he's adept
at, it's the no-huddle, where his instincts outshine his tendency to
overthink. But, as usual, no meaningful adjustments were made. Same
ol' same ol' for Schotty.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 3:11 pm
From: Michael

On Oct 3, 4:55 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
> >still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
> >left on the planet.  If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
> >for this thread.  You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
> >mirror.
>
> >What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
> >so long.  What the f*** is the real motive ???
>
> >I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.
>
> >That leaves me with a few questions.  Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
> >showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ???  So far, all
> >we got was the Tom Moore hiring.
>
> >Was Rex actually convinced that he could ride out one last season of
> >the Schotty contract despite Schotty's incompatnace ??? What reason
> >would Rex have to be so political about Schotty.  Where is the juice
> >coming from ??? What the f*** is going on ?!?!?!  How can an entire
> >professional football franchise not see just how unbeliveably bad
> >Schotty is. Why is Ryan, such a competitive coach, not foaming at the
> >mouth over the fact that his offensive coach may very well be the
> >worst OC in the pro game ???
>
> >The Jets offense is so bad, the defense is starting to mail it in.
>
> I know a lot of peeps think, like you, it has something to do with Woody.
> I don't.
> I think how Rex continually ignores the offense, shows what it may be... he just doesn't
> want to deal with it, and doesn't give it much thought.
> I really think, judging by his comments, that Rex is blind to the fact that he's the HC of
> the whole team.  He delegates the STs to Westhoff, who reports to him & tells him about
> the gameplan, & and new wrinkles.  The same with the offense.
> He obviously has final say on everything, but just trusts who he's given responsibility
> to, & then gets back to his baby... the D.
>
> He's always calling out the D, yet, even yesterday, said it was all the Ravens D, & never
> questioned the O.  It's probably different behind the scenes, but in the end IMHO, he's
> abdicated his throne of responsibility on the O, & just doesn't want to be bothered.
>
> And I do think, if it was Woody, some kind of snide comment would've spewed from Rex's
> lips by now.  He's not exactly shy, nor closed-mouthed about his feelings, or thoughts.
> And I doubt he'd be able to sit still, as he watched his OC destroy his career.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

burf... respectfully, i dont buy that...

your take would mean that rex would have to be a total football
idiot. i cant imagine for one second that a guy who has been around
the game all his life would be blind to the fact that his OC is
putting his pro hc career in jeapordy and subsequently, he could care
less about it because he is blind queer for his defense... i just dont
buy that...

when rex talks about westhoff, he calls him the best st coach in the
game.... he calls callahan the best line coach in the game... he has
NEVER said anything like that about schotty....

also... when fans call in to talk shows and complain about schotty,
the hosts CUT THEM OFF AT THE LEGGS... Obviously, the hosts want
interviews with the Jets and good relations, so they dont even get
close to it. Greg Buttle does it, Michael Kay does it... The only one
that does not do it is Greenberg... You can hear the frustration in
his voice when he gets near the Schotty subject, but he keeps his trap
shut... IMHO, this whole Schotty affair STINKS with politics. It is
a political appointment all the way...

Rex had better wake up and burn Shotty out before the media and the
fans burn Rex out. The freekin offense is so bad, the defense is
calling it quits. It has been the same crap on offense since rex
started and now it is on the verge of destroying the rex era. that
would include his pet defense too

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 5:05 pm
From: Julio Sanchez

On Oct 3, 6:11 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 4:55 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
> > >still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
> > >left on the planet.  If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
> > >for this thread.  You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
> > >mirror.
>
> > >What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
> > >so long.  What the f*** is the real motive ???
>
> > >I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.
>
> > >That leaves me with a few questions.  Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
> > >showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ???  So far, all
> > >we got was the Tom Moore hiring.
>
> > >Was Rex actually convinced that he could ride out one last season of
> > >the Schotty contract despite Schotty's incompatnace ??? What reason
> > >would Rex have to be so political about Schotty.  Where is the juice
> > >coming from ??? What the f*** is going on ?!?!?!  How can an entire
> > >professional football franchise not see just how unbeliveably bad
> > >Schotty is. Why is Ryan, such a competitive coach, not foaming at the
> > >mouth over the fact that his offensive coach may very well be the
> > >worst OC in the pro game ???
>
> > >The Jets offense is so bad, the defense is starting to mail it in.
>
> > I know a lot of peeps think, like you, it has something to do with Woody.
> > I don't.
> > I think how Rex continually ignores the offense, shows what it may be... he just doesn't
> > want to deal with it, and doesn't give it much thought.
> > I really think, judging by his comments, that Rex is blind to the fact that he's the HC of
> > the whole team.  He delegates the STs to Westhoff, who reports to him & tells him about
> > the gameplan, & and new wrinkles.  The same with the offense.
> > He obviously has final say on everything, but just trusts who he's given responsibility
> > to, & then gets back to his baby... the D.
>
> > He's always calling out the D, yet, even yesterday, said it was all the Ravens D, & never
> > questioned the O.  It's probably different behind the scenes, but in the end IMHO, he's
> > abdicated his throne of responsibility on the O, & just doesn't want to be bothered.
>
> > And I do think, if it was Woody, some kind of snide comment would've spewed from Rex's
> > lips by now.  He's not exactly shy, nor closed-mouthed about his feelings, or thoughts.
> > And I doubt he'd be able to sit still, as he watched his OC destroy his career.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> burf... respectfully, i dont buy that...
>
> your take would mean that rex would have to be a total football
> idiot.  i cant imagine for one second that a guy who has been around
> the game all his life would be blind to the fact that his OC is
> putting his pro hc career in jeapordy and subsequently, he could care
> less about it because he is blind queer for his defense... i just dont
> buy that...
>
> when rex talks about westhoff, he calls him the best st coach in the
> game.... he calls callahan the best line coach in the game... he has
> NEVER said anything like that about schotty....
>
> also... when fans call in to talk shows and complain about schotty,
> the hosts CUT THEM OFF AT THE LEGGS... Obviously, the hosts want
> interviews with the Jets and good relations, so they dont even get
> close to it.  Greg Buttle does it, Michael Kay does it... The only one
> that does not do it is Greenberg... You can hear the frustration in
> his voice when he gets near the Schotty subject, but he keeps his trap
> shut...  IMHO, this whole Schotty affair STINKS with politics.  It is
> a political appointment all the way...
>
> Rex had better wake up and burn Shotty out before the media and the
> fans burn Rex out.  The freekin offense is so bad, the defense is
> calling it quits.  It has been the same crap on offense since rex
> started and now it is on the verge of destroying the rex era.   that
> would include his pet defense too- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe you could listen to Boomer Esiason talk about Sanchez's
problems on WEEI today:
http://audio.weei.com/a/46614215/boomer-esiason-talks-patriots-raiders-another-jets-loss-and-yankees-in-the-post-season.htm

He doesn't say anything bad about Schottenheimer. Basically he
said the Jets O line made Sanchez's play impossible.

Julio

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 6:11 pm
From: buRford

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:11:26 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Oct 3, 4:55�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
>> >still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
>> >left on the planet. �If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
>> >for this thread. �You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
>> >mirror.
>>
>> >What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
>> >so long. �What the f*** is the real motive ???
>>
>> >I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.
>>
>> >That leaves me with a few questions. �Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
>> >showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ??? �So far, all
>> >we got was the Tom Moore hiring.
>>
>> >Was Rex actually convinced that he could ride out one last season of
>> >the Schotty contract despite Schotty's incompatnace ??? What reason
>> >would Rex have to be so political about Schotty. �Where is the juice
>> >coming from ??? What the f*** is going on ?!?!?! �How can an entire
>> >professional football franchise not see just how unbeliveably bad
>> >Schotty is. Why is Ryan, such a competitive coach, not foaming at the
>> >mouth over the fact that his offensive coach may very well be the
>> >worst OC in the pro game ???
>>
>> >The Jets offense is so bad, the defense is starting to mail it in.
>>
>> I know a lot of peeps think, like you, it has something to do with Woody.
>> I don't.
>> I think how Rex continually ignores the offense, shows what it may be... he just doesn't
>> want to deal with it, and doesn't give it much thought.
>> I really think, judging by his comments, that Rex is blind to the fact that he's the HC of
>> the whole team. �He delegates the STs to Westhoff, who reports to him & tells him about
>> the gameplan, & and new wrinkles. �The same with the offense.
>> He obviously has final say on everything, but just trusts who he's given responsibility
>> to, & then gets back to his baby... the D.
>>
>> He's always calling out the D, yet, even yesterday, said it was all the Ravens D, & never
>> questioned the O. �It's probably different behind the scenes, but in the end IMHO, he's
>> abdicated his throne of responsibility on the O, & just doesn't want to be bothered.
>>
>> And I do think, if it was Woody, some kind of snide comment would've spewed from Rex's
>> lips by now. �He's not exactly shy, nor closed-mouthed about his feelings, or thoughts.
>> And I doubt he'd be able to sit still, as he watched his OC destroy his career.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>burf... respectfully, i dont buy that...

No need to be respectful ;)

>
>your take would mean that rex would have to be a total football
>idiot. i cant imagine for one second that a guy who has been around
>the game all his life would be blind to the fact that his OC is
>putting his pro hc career in jeapordy and subsequently, he could care
>less about it because he is blind queer for his defense... i just dont
>buy that...

He IS an idiot. I like Rex, but he's done nothing about the offensive situation (over the
years), other than trying to get players for his OC. I just don't believe that Schott
would be here, without Rex's blessing. And by now, we'd have seen Rex doing things to
undermine Schott, & get him fired by Woody, if he was just going along with Schott for
Woody's sake. Rex is at fault here. He's the opposite of the micro-managing Mangini he
replaced... he delegates, & focuses on what he thinks is the winning engine of the Jets -
- his D.
As for Woody, he has a lot of money invested in this team. As a businessman, he'd have to
be a total buffoon, to put his man-crush on the Schottenheimer name (if he had one), above
winning. Or to risk the chance of alienating the best HC we've had here since Parcells.
The one thing I know about Woody, is that money means everything to him.

>
>when rex talks about westhoff, he calls him the best st coach in the
>game.... he calls callahan the best line coach in the game... he has
>NEVER said anything like that about schotty....

I've heard him say similar things about Schott.

>
>also... when fans call in to talk shows and complain about schotty,
>the hosts CUT THEM OFF AT THE LEGGS... Obviously, the hosts want
>interviews with the Jets and good relations, so they dont even get
>close to it. Greg Buttle does it, Michael Kay does it... The only one
>that does not do it is Greenberg... You can hear the frustration in
>his voice when he gets near the Schotty subject, but he keeps his trap
>shut... IMHO, this whole Schotty affair STINKS with politics. It is
>a political appointment all the way...

Klecko, & Lucas call him out, too.

>
>Rex had better wake up and burn Shotty out before the media and the
>fans burn Rex out. The freekin offense is so bad, the defense is
>calling it quits. It has been the same crap on offense since rex
>started and now it is on the verge of destroying the rex era. that
>would include his pet defense too

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 6:12 pm
From: Michael

On Oct 3, 8:05 pm, Julio Sanchez <hoolio3sanc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 6:11 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 4:55 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > >I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
> > > >still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
> > > >left on the planet.  If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
> > > >for this thread.  You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
> > > >mirror.
>
> > > >What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
> > > >so long.  What the f*** is the real motive ???
>
> > > >I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.
>
> > > >That leaves me with a few questions.  Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
> > > >showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ???  So far, all
> > > >we got was the Tom Moore hiring.
>
> > > >Was Rex actually convinced that he could ride out one last season of
> > > >the Schotty contract despite Schotty's incompatnace ??? What reason
> > > >would Rex have to be so political about Schotty.  Where is the juice
> > > >coming from ??? What the f*** is going on ?!?!?!  How can an entire
> > > >professional football franchise not see just how unbeliveably bad
> > > >Schotty is. Why is Ryan, such a competitive coach, not foaming at the
> > > >mouth over the fact that his offensive coach may very well be the
> > > >worst OC in the pro game ???
>
> > > >The Jets offense is so bad, the defense is starting to mail it in.
>
> > > I know a lot of peeps think, like you, it has something to do with Woody.
> > > I don't.
> > > I think how Rex continually ignores the offense, shows what it may be... he just doesn't
> > > want to deal with it, and doesn't give it much thought.
> > > I really think, judging by his comments, that Rex is blind to the fact that he's the HC of
> > > the whole team.  He delegates the STs to Westhoff, who reports to him & tells him about
> > > the gameplan, & and new wrinkles.  The same with the offense.
> > > He obviously has final say on everything, but just trusts who he's given responsibility
> > > to, & then gets back to his baby... the D.
>
> > > He's always calling out the D, yet, even yesterday, said it was all the Ravens D, & never
> > > questioned the O.  It's probably different behind the scenes, but in the end IMHO, he's
> > > abdicated his throne of responsibility on the O, & just doesn't want to be bothered.
>
> > > And I do think, if it was Woody, some kind of snide comment would've spewed from Rex's
> > > lips by now.  He's not exactly shy, nor closed-mouthed about his feelings, or thoughts.
> > > And I doubt he'd be able to sit still, as he watched his OC destroy his career.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > burf... respectfully, i dont buy that...
>
> > your take would mean that rex would have to be a total football
> > idiot.  i cant imagine for one second that a guy who has been around
> > the game all his life would be blind to the fact that his OC is
> > putting his pro hc career in jeapordy and subsequently, he could care
> > less about it because he is blind queer for his defense... i just dont
> > buy that...
>
> > when rex talks about westhoff, he calls him the best st coach in the
> > game.... he calls callahan the best line coach in the game... he has
> > NEVER said anything like that about schotty....
>
> > also... when fans call in to talk shows and complain about schotty,
> > the hosts CUT THEM OFF AT THE LEGGS... Obviously, the hosts want
> > interviews with the Jets and good relations, so they dont even get
> > close to it.  Greg Buttle does it, Michael Kay does it... The only one
> > that does not do it is Greenberg... You can hear the frustration in
> > his voice when he gets near the Schotty subject, but he keeps his trap
> > shut...  IMHO, this whole Schotty affair STINKS with politics.  It is
> > a political appointment all the way...
>
> > Rex had better wake up and burn Shotty out before the media and the
> > fans burn Rex out.  The freekin offense is so bad, the defense is
> > calling it quits.  It has been the same crap on offense since rex
> > started and now it is on the verge of destroying the rex era.   that
> > would include his pet defense too- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Maybe you could listen to Boomer Esiason talk about Sanchez's
> problems on WEEI today:http://audio.weei.com/a/46614215/boomer-esiason-talks-patriots-raider...
>
> He doesn't say anything bad about Schottenheimer. Basically he
> said the Jets O line made Sanchez's play impossible.
>
> Julio- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

you can do things on offense to deal with pressure... the jets knew it
was coming and had all week to come up with an offensive game plan to
deal with a pressure defense.

1. spread sets
2. deep shot gun snaps
3. seven and eight man offensive line
4. missdirection
5. screens
6. quick timing patterns in the slot (that is open on a blitz)
7. quick timing patterns in the seem (that is open on a blitz)
8. run AROUND blitzing defensive ends
9. play action shuvel passes
10. getting an agressive defense to jump the snap with no huddle, hard
count and unexpected snap timing
11. scriped, no huddle drives with SET PASS ROUTS and SET PROGRESSION
so sanchez does not have to think.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 6:18 pm
From: buRford

On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT), Julio Sanchez <hoolio3sanchez@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Oct 3, 6:11�pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Oct 3, 4:55�pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> > >I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
>> > >still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
>> > >left on the planet. �If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
>> > >for this thread. �You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
>> > >mirror.
>>
>> > >What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
>> > >so long. �What the f*** is the real motive ???
>>
>> > >I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.
>>
>> > >That leaves me with a few questions. �Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
>> > >showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ??? �So far, all
>> > >we got was the Tom Moore hiring.
>>
>> > >Was Rex actually convinced that he could ride out one last season of
>> > >the Schotty contract despite Schotty's incompatnace ??? What reason
>> > >would Rex have to be so political about Schotty. �Where is the juice
>> > >coming from ??? What the f*** is going on ?!?!?! �How can an entire
>> > >professional football franchise not see just how unbeliveably bad
>> > >Schotty is. Why is Ryan, such a competitive coach, not foaming at the
>> > >mouth over the fact that his offensive coach may very well be the
>> > >worst OC in the pro game ???
>>
>> > >The Jets offense is so bad, the defense is starting to mail it in.
>>
>> > I know a lot of peeps think, like you, it has something to do with Woody.
>> > I don't.
>> > I think how Rex continually ignores the offense, shows what it may be... he just doesn't
>> > want to deal with it, and doesn't give it much thought.
>> > I really think, judging by his comments, that Rex is blind to the fact that he's the HC of
>> > the whole team. �He delegates the STs to Westhoff, who reports to him & tells him about
>> > the gameplan, & and new wrinkles. �The same with the offense.
>> > He obviously has final say on everything, but just trusts who he's given responsibility
>> > to, & then gets back to his baby... the D.
>>
>> > He's always calling out the D, yet, even yesterday, said it was all the Ravens D, & never
>> > questioned the O. �It's probably different behind the scenes, but in the end IMHO, he's
>> > abdicated his throne of responsibility on the O, & just doesn't want to be bothered.
>>
>> > And I do think, if it was Woody, some kind of snide comment would've spewed from Rex's
>> > lips by now. �He's not exactly shy, nor closed-mouthed about his feelings, or thoughts.
>> > And I doubt he'd be able to sit still, as he watched his OC destroy his career.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> burf... respectfully, i dont buy that...
>>
>> your take would mean that rex would have to be a total football
>> idiot. �i cant imagine for one second that a guy who has been around
>> the game all his life would be blind to the fact that his OC is
>> putting his pro hc career in jeapordy and subsequently, he could care
>> less about it because he is blind queer for his defense... i just dont
>> buy that...
>>
>> when rex talks about westhoff, he calls him the best st coach in the
>> game.... he calls callahan the best line coach in the game... he has
>> NEVER said anything like that about schotty....
>>
>> also... when fans call in to talk shows and complain about schotty,
>> the hosts CUT THEM OFF AT THE LEGGS... Obviously, the hosts want
>> interviews with the Jets and good relations, so they dont even get
>> close to it. �Greg Buttle does it, Michael Kay does it... The only one
>> that does not do it is Greenberg... You can hear the frustration in
>> his voice when he gets near the Schotty subject, but he keeps his trap
>> shut... �IMHO, this whole Schotty affair STINKS with politics. �It is
>> a political appointment all the way...
>>
>> Rex had better wake up and burn Shotty out before the media and the
>> fans burn Rex out. �The freekin offense is so bad, the defense is
>> calling it quits. �It has been the same crap on offense since rex
>> started and now it is on the verge of destroying the rex era. � that
>> would include his pet defense too- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Maybe you could listen to Boomer Esiason talk about Sanchez's
>problems on WEEI today:
>http://audio.weei.com/a/46614215/boomer-esiason-talks-patriots-raiders-another-jets-loss-and-yankees-in-the-post-season.htm
>
>He doesn't say anything bad about Schottenheimer. Basically he
>said the Jets O line made Sanchez's play impossible.
>
>Julio

Julio, as Michael stated, the Media will not undermine any coach, for fear they will lose
access. As for the OL, they did make Sanchez' play impossible, but that doesn't mean the
whole offense isn't a mess.
One thing that's happening, that illustrates the cluelessness of Schott, is that game one,
Rob Ryan showed the league how to attack the Jets O. One thing being the corner blitz.
They've played three games since, and there still has been no adjustment by the coaching
staff. And as a result, Sanchez is taking a beating. The only time they've able to
negate the pressure, is when they've gone hurryup, and even so, it hasn't dawned on Schott
to use it yet, unless it's crunchtime.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 6:19 pm
From: Michael

On Oct 3, 9:11 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:11:26 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Oct 3, 4:55 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >I'd like to hear from everyone with the exception of those who are
> >> >still defending Schotty. I think there might just be one or two of you
> >> >left on the planet. If you are a Schotty defender, you need not apply
> >> >for this thread. You can go argue your fantasies in front of a
> >> >mirror.
>
> >> >What the hell is the reason for the Jets to have kept Schotty around
> >> >so long. What the f*** is the real motive ???
>
> >> >I think the guy sustaining Schotty is the owner.
>
> >> >That leaves me with a few questions. Why in Sam Hell is Ryan not
> >> >showing any outward signs of being pissed off over it ??? So far, all
> >> >we got was the Tom Moore hiring.
>
> >> >Was Rex actually convinced that he could ride out one last season of
> >> >the Schotty contract despite Schotty's incompatnace ??? What reason
> >> >would Rex have to be so political about Schotty. Where is the juice
> >> >coming from ??? What the f*** is going on ?!?!?! How can an entire
> >> >professional football franchise not see just how unbeliveably bad
> >> >Schotty is. Why is Ryan, such a competitive coach, not foaming at the
> >> >mouth over the fact that his offensive coach may very well be the
> >> >worst OC in the pro game ???
>
> >> >The Jets offense is so bad, the defense is starting to mail it in.
>
> >> I know a lot of peeps think, like you, it has something to do with Woody.
> >> I don't.
> >> I think how Rex continually ignores the offense, shows what it may be... he just doesn't
> >> want to deal with it, and doesn't give it much thought.
> >> I really think, judging by his comments, that Rex is blind to the fact that he's the HC of
> >> the whole team. He delegates the STs to Westhoff, who reports to him & tells him about
> >> the gameplan, & and new wrinkles. The same with the offense.
> >> He obviously has final say on everything, but just trusts who he's given responsibility
> >> to, & then gets back to his baby... the D.
>
> >> He's always calling out the D, yet, even yesterday, said it was all the Ravens D, & never
> >> questioned the O. It's probably different behind the scenes, but in the end IMHO, he's
> >> abdicated his throne of responsibility on the O, & just doesn't want to be bothered.
>
> >> And I do think, if it was Woody, some kind of snide comment would've spewed from Rex's
> >> lips by now. He's not exactly shy, nor closed-mouthed about his feelings, or thoughts.
> >> And I doubt he'd be able to sit still, as he watched his OC destroy his career.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >burf... respectfully, i dont buy that...
>
> No need to be respectful ;)
>
>
>
> >your take would mean that rex would have to be a total football
> >idiot.  i cant imagine for one second that a guy who has been around
> >the game all his life would be blind to the fact that his OC is
> >putting his pro hc career in jeapordy and subsequently, he could care
> >less about it because he is blind queer for his defense... i just dont
> >buy that...
>
> He IS an idiot.  I like Rex, but he's done nothing about the offensive situation (over the
> years), other than trying to get players for his OC.  I just don't believe that Schott
> would be here, without Rex's blessing.  And by now, we'd have seen Rex doing things to
> undermine Schott, & get him fired by Woody, if he was just going along with Schott for
> Woody's sake.  Rex is at fault here.  He's the opposite of the micro-managing Mangini he
> replaced... he delegates, & focuses on what he thinks is the winning engine of the Jets -

delegating is a great thing... delegating the st to westhoff is
ideal... it is OK for rex to delegate the offense... there is NO RULE
in the book that says he has no choice BUT to delegate the offense to
an obvious charlatan. let him delegate the offense to dan henning or
norv turner or kubiak and watch how fast the jets offense equals the
defense in quality. the problem does not lay in the fact that rex
delegates. he is supposed to... that is why a HC has a coaching
staff. the problem is, there is some set of politics at work. it is
the only logical answer. rex is stuck with him and cant even open his
mouth...

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 2:40 pm
From: eric

On Oct 3, 1:23 pm, Percy Flage
<percy.flage_REM@OVE_ianwhitephoto.co.uk> wrote:

> Dallas? We were lucky to win that one. Only a Romo implosion handed that
> one to us.
> Jags? That was the way the team *can* play.
> Oakland? We should have put that one away, but the Offense couldn't score.
> Ravens? Scored precisely 3 points on Offense.
>
> If we were 1-3 and heading into NE looking coherent on O, I'd be happier
> than we are at the moment. 2-2 and fucking clueless.
>

Looking good vs the Jags is your high water mark? This is a team that
showed up without a quarterback. They truly were pathetic.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 3 2011 4:34 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:e7706832-cf3f-4d8a-957d-368f1b915d56@j31g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 3, 10:44 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "John C TX" <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:5c1706ff-1dd6-402d-bd51-2bd4f92dbefd@z12g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 2, 9:42 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:ui5i87tdhpml29hd5k459ekc2p71d5jta2@4ax.com...
>
> > > Very simply, they chose to go with what they had, rather than trying
> > > to
> > > improve the OL.
> > > We all knew they had a problem at RT, and a big lack of depth.
> > > So, once we lost Robert Turner, then Mangold, we've gotten exactly
> > > what
> > > would've been
> > > expected.
> > > And in the process, they're gonna get Sanchez killed.
>
> > > On the D side, we're having the exact same problems as last season, a
> > > lack
> > > of
> > > pass-coverage, in the middle of the field... and a weak pass-rush.
>
> > This comes from no rush...you can't expect the strong safety in the seam
> > to
> > cover for as long as they let the receiver go...that is ALL because of
> > not
> > pressure up the middle...ever. When they can get some action going it is
> > always on a blitz giving something up or coming from the outside with
> > extra
> > D backs...that does little to take pressure off the safeties...this is
> > poor
> > planning....you can't expect to scheme this all the time without some
> > REAL
> > D
> > linemen.
>
> > > And lastly, they have an offense that is totally predictable. It often
> > > looks like
> > > opposing defenses are in the huddle. They decided to stand-pat with
> > > the
> > > same OC, and
> > > again, they got what would be expected. He has no clue how to adjust
> > > to
> > > what defenses
> > > throw at him.
>
> > > This is on management for going for imaginary players (Aso), &
> > > ignoring
> > > weaknesses they
> > > needed to address.
>
> > > The only hope, is that the players are tough pros, and will not quit.
> > > So, maybe this can turn into a game, if the Ravens let-up a bit... a
> > > natural human
> > > reaction to totally dominating an opponent.
>
> > Agree with all the rest...thing is now...Schott doesn't even get a
> > chance
> > to
> > look bad...can't tell what the Hell it is the rush is so strong. They
> > are
> > ill prepared...to not see Reed so free? Can't happen...they pass off
> > people
> > like I've never seen...it is absolutely horrendous line play...and looks
> > to
> > be so not just because of who is playing it but the design of it...it's
> > a
> > freaking mess.
>
> The OL comments are fair. Someone, take your pick Callahan, Schot or
> Ryan, totally overestimated Hunter's abilities. Slausson is average w/
> Mangold & bad with a rookie. Somone decided like they did the year
> prior with Slauson that he could contribute.
>
> The defense played well. The did pressure Flacco and although they
> only had two sacks they hit him over & over again. I am not sure how
> much coverage issues we had as Flacco completed 10. passes.
>
> Ryan has his work cut out for him. OL issues magnify all of Sanchez
> shortcomings.
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> Sanchez is done...done...he looked like a scared kid...will not recover.
> OMHO...time to start the whole thing over for QB...starting with building
> a
> foundation in the O line.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

if the only things standing between me, ngata and suggs were an
undrafted rookie center and wayne hunter, i'd look like a scared kid
too. if i saw ducasse in front of me, i'd straight up shit my pants.
the line is a piece of shit. management bet on hunter and ducasse and
they crapped out. as a matter of fact, ducasse's horrendous play was
an instrumentl part in getting robert turner put on IR.

you were exactly just right... the chickens are home to roost.

i hear them in the coop.

BOCK BOCK BOCK BOCK.
_______________________________________________________________________________

I am actually furious now...I recorded the game, watched it over and
over...and Rex is a super prick to blame any of this on the kid at
center...a real prick....that kid did not do anything to lose this
game...was he responsible for not seeing a blitz threat from the outside?
AND...he did not snap the ball high or whatver they claimed..it was
fine...Rex has been exposed...he's a D coordinator...has not clue what is
happening with the O...and he really wants to be in Baltimore....he needs to
come on TV...and make a huge apology to Baxter...Brick was worse than that
kid was...the entire O line sucks...and beyond not just being physically
good...they don't know what the Hell they are doing ! The chickens have
come home to roost...and they shit all over Rex and company.

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