Saturday, October 8, 2011

alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Harrison - Karma ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a1907848a0880fe3?hl=en
* Kris Jenkins implies Rex has No say or control about Schitty - 10 messages,
8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/109262c6884e53f6?hl=en
* Hank Williams Jr fired - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/0e1f47bdf8c8046f?hl=en
* R.I.P. Al Davis - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1dbaeeb04db5c042?hl=en
* Al Davis kaput - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/7c9a462c89798901?hl=en
* Sanchez Evaluation By ESPN Writer - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/840bd84f2283219c?hl=en
* alt.sports.football.pro.???-poser = FURTHER EXPOSED - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8c66f7489b313111?hl=en
* CBS News reports; ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General
Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4560adb06212689c?hl=en
* Did anybody listen to Mason's rant after the game? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1e638760804dd9be?hl=en
* Here's how offense is up this year. You get to explain why. - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1c55799f2add1bd5?hl=en
* Costello of the NY Post hits the nail on the head - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/75dd412650b86640?hl=en
* Pats' D almost as bad as their O is good - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/04de171f995b7794?hl=en

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TOPIC: Harrison - Karma ?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a1907848a0880fe3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 7 2011 9:27 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 6, 6:30 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "...but the women are stuck with what they
> get...a clitoris the size of a bananna, no breasts and a deep voice with
> whiskers on their chin.

Sexy. I think I'll pass on the bananas though. Something tells me
that I'm not the banana type.

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TOPIC: Kris Jenkins implies Rex has No say or control about Schitty
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/109262c6884e53f6?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 8:56 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:da6ff987-5a54-4976-8687-7a687ca1533c@c20g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> Kris Jenkins definitely implied the Schotty issue goes "above" and/or
> runs deeper than Rex.
>
> He said he would try to say things, without saying them, and hopefully
> people could put two and two together... The next major things out of
> his mouth were...
>
> - "We all know who Schotty's daddy is.... that has a little to do with
> it"
>
> Followed by:
>
> - "The other thing that has a little to do with it... Buddy system...
> There may be a certain front office person, general manager, coach who
> has a certain liking for him." But then he circled back and pretty
> clearly said it's a front office/GM/mgmt type person, because he said
> the same person responsible for keeping Sal Alosi around, when players
> were going to mgmt/coaches about how he was no good, is probably the
> same person responsible for keeping Schotty.
>
> - "Schotty has never been tested."
>
> You can listen for yourself starting around 28:48:
>
> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nyjetsdirect/2011/10/06/the-gang-green-sports-show-w-former-ny-jet-kris-jenkins
>
> Really get the vibe, from what he's saying, this goes above Rex, for
> sure.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

So Schott makes Tanny feel like a big man....they are buddies...but Woody
still has to let this happen...how long before the embarrassment gets to
Woody?


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 9:48 am
From: Tutor


On Oct 8, 11:56 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:da6ff987-5a54-4976-8687-7a687ca1533c@c20g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Kris Jenkins definitely implied the Schotty issue goes "above" and/or
> > runs deeper than Rex.
>
> > He said he would try to say things, without saying them, and hopefully
> > people could put two and two together... The next major things out of
> > his mouth were...
>
> > - "We all know who Schotty's daddy is.... that has a little to do with
> > it"
>
> > Followed by:
>
> > - "The other thing that has a little to do with it... Buddy system...
> > There may be a certain front office person, general manager, coach who
> > has a certain liking for him." But then he circled back and pretty
> > clearly said it's a front office/GM/mgmt type person, because he said
> > the same person responsible for keeping Sal Alosi around, when players
> > were going to mgmt/coaches about how he was no good, is probably the
> > same person responsible for keeping Schotty.
>
> > - "Schotty has never been tested."
>
> > You can listen for yourself starting around 28:48:
>
> >http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nyjetsdirect/2011/10/06/the-gang-green-s...
>
> > Really get the vibe, from what he's saying, this goes above Rex, for
> > sure.
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________­_______________________________________
>
> So Schott makes Tanny feel like a big man....they are buddies...but Woody
> still has to let this happen...how long before the embarrassment gets to
> Woody?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

makes no sense. Unless Schitty, Sr. has pics of Woody humping farm
animals.


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 9:59 am
From: Percy Flage


On 08/10/2011 17:48, Tutor wrote:
> On Oct 8, 11:56 am, "Papa Carl"<papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Tutor"<dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:da6ff987-5a54-4976-8687-7a687ca1533c@c20g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Kris Jenkins definitely implied the Schotty issue goes "above" and/or
>>> runs deeper than Rex.
>>
>>> He said he would try to say things, without saying them, and hopefully
>>> people could put two and two together... The next major things out of
>>> his mouth were...
>>
>>> - "We all know who Schotty's daddy is.... that has a little to do with
>>> it"
>>
>>> Followed by:
>>
>>> - "The other thing that has a little to do with it... Buddy system...
>>> There may be a certain front office person, general manager, coach who
>>> has a certain liking for him." But then he circled back and pretty
>>> clearly said it's a front office/GM/mgmt type person, because he said
>>> the same person responsible for keeping Sal Alosi around, when players
>>> were going to mgmt/coaches about how he was no good, is probably the
>>> same person responsible for keeping Schotty.
>>
>>> - "Schotty has never been tested."
>>
>>> You can listen for yourself starting around 28:48:
>>
>>> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nyjetsdirect/2011/10/06/the-gang-green-s...
>>
>>> Really get the vibe, from what he's saying, this goes above Rex, for
>>> sure.
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________­_______________________________________
>>
>> So Schott makes Tanny feel like a big man....they are buddies...but Woody
>> still has to let this happen...how long before the embarrassment gets to
>> Woody?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> makes no sense. Unless Schitty, Sr. has pics of Woody humping farm
> animals.

That's no mean feet.

--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 10:07 am
From: Michael


On Oct 7, 11:35 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kris Jenkins definitely implied the Schotty issue goes "above" and/or
> runs deeper than Rex.
>
> He said he would try to say things, without saying them, and hopefully
> people could put two and two together... The next major things out of
> his mouth were...
>
> - "We all know who Schotty's daddy is.... that has a little to do with
> it"
>
> Followed by:
>
> - "The other thing that has a little to do with it... Buddy system...
> There may be a certain front office person, general manager, coach who
> has a certain liking for him." But then he circled back and pretty
> clearly said it's a front office/GM/mgmt type person, because he said
> the same person responsible for keeping Sal Alosi around, when players
> were going to mgmt/coaches about how he was no good, is probably the
> same person responsible for keeping Schotty.
>
> - "Schotty has never been tested."
>
> You can listen for yourself starting around 28:48:
>
> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nyjetsdirect/2011/10/06/the-gang-green-s...
>
> Really get the vibe, from what he's saying, this goes above Rex, for
> sure.

i knew it was politics and i have been saying it for how long ???


== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 10:40 am
From: MuahMan


What are you NY fuckstick morons gonna complain about when the can the
OC and Sanchez is still the worst QB in the NFL? Who will you blame
then? George Bush? That's what Obama would do, maybe try that.


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 11:32 am
From: Percy Flage


On 08/10/2011 18:40, MuahMan wrote:
> What are you NY fuckstick morons gonna complain about when the can the
> OC and Sanchez is still the worst QB in the NFL? Who will you blame
> then? George Bush? That's what Obama would do, maybe try that.

By the time they get rid of Schitty, he may well be the worst QB in the
league.

--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 12:05 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 10/7/2011 5:35 PM, Tutor wrote:
> Kris Jenkins definitely implied the Schotty issue goes "above" and/or
> runs deeper than Rex.From
>
> He said he would try to say things, without saying them, and hopefully
> people could put two and two together... The next major things out of
> his mouth were...
>
> - "We all know who Schotty's daddy is.... that has a little to do with
> it"
>
> Followed by:
>
> - "The other thing that has a little to do with it... Buddy system...
> There may be a certain front office person, general manager, coach who
> has a certain liking for him." But then he circled back and pretty
> clearly said it's a front office/GM/mgmt type person, because he said
> the same person responsible for keeping Sal Alosi around, when players
> were going to mgmt/coaches about how he was no good, is probably the
> same person responsible for keeping Schotty.
>
> - "Schotty has never been tested."
>
> You can listen for yourself starting around 28:48:
>
> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nyjetsdirect/2011/10/06/the-gang-green-sports-show-w-former-ny-jet-kris-jenkins
>
> Really get the vibe, from what he's saying, this goes above Rex, for
> sure.

Always and forever, THE FISH STINKS FROM THE HEAD. From the "head"
(Woody) being forced into an affirmative action hire (Herm) to the
stadium issue (a shared stadium - WTF was up with that decision?), Woody
has always made the wrong choices, Tannenbaum being the first in a long
line of mistakes that could only come from the guy at the top, the
selection and continued retention of Schitty only being the latest, if
now the most obvious.

Honestly, I don't think we'll ever win anything while he still controls
the team, and frankly, I've lost interest.


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 12:22 pm
From: Percy Flage


On 08/10/2011 20:05, Johnny Morongo wrote:
> On 10/7/2011 5:35 PM, Tutor wrote:
>> Kris Jenkins definitely implied the Schotty issue goes "above" and/or
>> runs deeper than Rex.From
>>
>> He said he would try to say things, without saying them, and hopefully
>> people could put two and two together... The next major things out of
>> his mouth were...
>>
>> - "We all know who Schotty's daddy is.... that has a little to do with
>> it"
>>
>> Followed by:
>>
>> - "The other thing that has a little to do with it... Buddy system...
>> There may be a certain front office person, general manager, coach who
>> has a certain liking for him." But then he circled back and pretty
>> clearly said it's a front office/GM/mgmt type person, because he said
>> the same person responsible for keeping Sal Alosi around, when players
>> were going to mgmt/coaches about how he was no good, is probably the
>> same person responsible for keeping Schotty.
>>
>> - "Schotty has never been tested."
>>
>> You can listen for yourself starting around 28:48:
>>
>> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nyjetsdirect/2011/10/06/the-gang-green-sports-show-w-former-ny-jet-kris-jenkins
>>
>>
>> Really get the vibe, from what he's saying, this goes above Rex, for
>> sure.
>
> Always and forever, THE FISH STINKS FROM THE HEAD. From the "head"
> (Woody) being forced into an affirmative action hire (Herm) to the
> stadium issue (a shared stadium - WTF was up with that decision?), Woody
> has always made the wrong choices, Tannenbaum being the first in a long
> line of mistakes that could only come from the guy at the top, the
> selection and continued retention of Schitty only being the latest, if
> now the most obvious.
>
> Honestly, I don't think we'll ever win anything while he still controls
> the team, and frankly, I've lost interest.

So hiring Rex was a bad choice?

--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 1:38 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Friday, October 7, 2011 11:35:56 PM UTC-4, Tutor wrote:
> Kris Jenkins definitely implied the Schotty issue goes "above" and/or
> runs deeper than Rex.
>
> He said he would try to say things, without saying them, and hopefully
> people could put two and two together... The next major things out of
> his mouth were...
>
> - "We all know who Schotty's daddy is.... that has a little to do with
> it"

I've never understood this magical power Schott Sr. is supposed to have over other teams. Nobody has ever explained it. What is it supposed to be?

I mean, it sure never kept him from getting fired by his own teams.

> Followed by:
>
> - "The other thing that has a little to do with it... Buddy system...
> There may be a certain front office person, general manager, coach who
> has a certain liking for him." But then he circled back and pretty
> clearly said it's a front office/GM/mgmt type person, because he said
> the same person responsible for keeping Sal Alosi around, when players
> were going to mgmt/coaches about how he was no good, is probably the
> same person responsible for keeping Schotty.
>
> - "Schotty has never been tested."

"Because Rex's defense has always taken the pressure off the offense, given it time, gotten the ball to it in good position."

Apparently Jenkins isn't aware that Schott was on the team before he and Rex were.

The first year when Chad was Comeback Player of the Year, and the O carried the team to the playoffs against all predictions, wasn't a "test"? The Favre season wasn't a "test"?

> You can listen for yourself starting around 28:48:
>
> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nyjetsdirect/2011/10/06/the-gang-green-sports-show-w-former-ny-jet-kris-jenkins
>
> Really get the vibe, from what he's saying, this goes above Rex, for
> sure.

Jenkins: "So here Sanchez is in his fourth year ..."

Host: "Third year, I think."

Jenkins: "Third? Fourth?"

Host: "You're right, it's his fourth..."

Both together: "OK, so here Sanchez is in his fourth year year as a starter..."

What a couple of expert analysts. :-)

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 2:41 pm
From: "R�vNsf�n �"


<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:9268768.1380.1318106324017.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqlb4...
: On Friday, October 7, 2011 11:35:56 PM UTC-4, Tutor wrote:
: > Kris Jenkins definitely implied the Schotty issue goes "above" and/or
: > runs deeper than Rex.
: >
: > He said he would try to say things, without saying them, and hopefully
: > people could put two and two together... The next major things out of
: > his mouth were...
: >
: > - "We all know who Schotty's daddy is.... that has a little to do with
: > it"
:
: I've never understood this magical power Schott Sr. is supposed to have
over other teams. Nobody has ever explained it. What is it supposed to be?
:
: I mean, it sure never kept him from getting fired by his own teams.
:
: > Followed by:
: >
: > - "The other thing that has a little to do with it... Buddy system...
: > There may be a certain front office person, general manager, coach who
: > has a certain liking for him." But then he circled back and pretty
: > clearly said it's a front office/GM/mgmt type person, because he said
: > the same person responsible for keeping Sal Alosi around, when players
: > were going to mgmt/coaches about how he was no good, is probably the
: > same person responsible for keeping Schotty.
: >
: > - "Schotty has never been tested."
:
: "Because Rex's defense has always taken the pressure off the offense,
given it time, gotten the ball to it in good position."
:
: Apparently Jenkins isn't aware that Schott was on the team before he and
Rex were.
:
: The first year when Chad was Comeback Player of the Year, and the O
carried the team to the playoffs against all predictions, wasn't a "test"?
The Favre season wasn't a "test"?
:
: > You can listen for yourself starting around 28:48:
: >
: >
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nyjetsdirect/2011/10/06/the-gang-green-sports-show-w-former-ny-jet-kris-jenkins
: >
: > Really get the vibe, from what he's saying, this goes above Rex, for
: > sure.
:
: Jenkins: "So here Sanchez is in his fourth year ..."
:
: Host: "Third year, I think."
:
: Jenkins: "Third? Fourth?"
:
: Host: "You're right, it's his fourth..."
:
: Both together: "OK, so here Sanchez is in his fourth year year as a
starter..."
:
: What a couple of expert analysts. :-)
:

Compiled Fact(s) should never deter a commercially vested BS session. This
works even better in political arenas.
--
~Drew
"Talk is cheap ...lets just play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

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TOPIC: Hank Williams Jr fired
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 8:58 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:faf53e96-48b3-4348-9b75-25b5e294332a@i28g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 7, 5:15 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 8:22 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 8:22 pm, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 6, 6:30 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 6, 11:04 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > Aww... Jeez.... I'm not throwing a protracted fit over Williams
> > > > > Hitler
> > > > > remark... My initial response to the original poster was a comic
> > > > > remark about Obama and Hitler being polar opposites, politically.
>
> > > > They're very different, but I wouldn't say opposites. Both are/were
> > > > right-wingers. I don't see anything about Obama's policies that
> > > > strike me as socialist-leaning, even the ones he doesn't implement.
> > > > What are you speaking about, specifically?
>
> > > > > I guess I'm a damn child.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > mark... i cant imagine you see obama as wanting to have "national
> > > socialism" in the fact that all degrees of society are put under
> > > strict government control including religion, the military and race.
> > > when you say obama is "right wing", that is only in the context of
> > > *american* politics.
>
> > > obama and hitler have one thing that i see in common and even though
> > > that may be a cogent statement, the degree of the similarity is pale.
> > > hitler wanted total government control over economic policy for "the
> > > good of the nation". obama's policies have been to add more
> > > government control and ownership over some economic components.
>
> > Michael, I don't think so. I think "total government control" more or
> > less fits the description of Obama's economic policies.
>
> So he is similar to Hitler. Maybe Willliams should have called you &
> embraced that.
>
> What many Democrats (notice I didn't write left) who don't get some of
> the Obama bashing from the right is is/was generated for the pain he
> inflicts on small business. He has embraced big business & caused
> problems for small business. This recession won't end with GE. I
> laughed my ass off when he named Immelet the GE guy to head the
> Economic Advisory group.

some job tzar, huh ??? as i have been saying... never mind if he is a
lefty or a righty at heart... obama is a lap dog as sure as the next
prez will be. i'm not coming from the "right" or the "left" ... we
need a new classification for the people that realize we have an a-
political oligarchy... how about "above" instead of "left" or
"right" ???
__________________________________________________________
Finally you say something where I completely agree..."above" is the
word...and I really think the "above" let Obama win so they could create
havoc and "take" things they wanted...you are right...left right is stupid
now and it sure does not matter what people want.

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TOPIC: R.I.P. Al Davis
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1dbaeeb04db5c042?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 9:52 am
From: Tutor


Despite the immense mismanagement of the Raiders over the past ten
years, the man was a titan in the world of football and made the game
what it is today. I will always be immensely grateful for his
contributions to the sport.

He was a Brooklyn boy who turned around the world of professional
football. It is only fitting that his team's final victory was over
one of its original arch rivals, the NY Jets.

Just rest, baby.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 12:49 pm
From: "R�vNsf�n �"

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TOPIC: Al Davis kaput
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 10:09 am
From: "Ray O'Hara"


died today at 82.
at Foxboro when the Raiders were in town All would stand in the main
building behind the glass next to an enterence, he'd be getting flack from
the crowd and giving it right back.
he'd be laughing and pointing and giving fans the finger, he was great, he
understood it.
the league will miss his crazy.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 5:29 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 8, 12:09 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> died today at 82.
>  at Foxboro when the Raiders were in town All would stand in the main
> building behind the glass next to an enterence, he'd be getting flack from
> the crowd and giving it right back.
> he'd be laughing and pointing and giving fans the finger, he was great, he
> understood it.
> the league will miss his crazy.

He was instrumental in forming the AFL into a force that needed to be
reckoned with at the bargaining table.

He was a great coach, and a real political force in the NFL. People
made a lot of jokes about how he "lost it" (lost his football sense)
but this is oversimplifying how difficult it is to build a
championship team. He didn't lose his football sense. What does that
even mean anyway? Ridiculous. These statements are uttered by morons
whose most important job in life has been finding weed for the weekend.

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TOPIC: Sanchez Evaluation By ESPN Writer
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 1:56 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:05:48 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:12:46 -0400, "MLD" <M...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >By Peter Keating
> >ESPN Insider
> >Archive
> >
> >Forget Joe Namath and Rex Ryan. The New York legend to ask about Mark
> >Sanchez's performance against the Ravens on Sunday Night is Frank Barone,
> >who surely would sum things up with his signature "Holy crap!" Sanchez's
> >completing just 11 of 35 passes was bad enough. His gaining only 119 yards,
> >or an abysmal 3.4 yards per attempt, was worse. But his four turnovers,
> >including three (two fumbles and an interception) that Baltimore returned
> >for touchdowns, just destroyed his team. The Jets, who scored on a kickoff
> >return and an interception return of their own while going down 34-17 almost
> >certainly would have been better off against the Ravens if they had just
> >punted on every first down. Really.
> >
> >Sanchez was historically bad: Of 909 games since 2008 when a quarterback has
> >participated in 40 or more plays, Sanchez's performance was the absolute
> >worst, with a Total Quarterback Rating of 0.6. Andrew Walter, the former
> >Oakland QB who previously held the record for lowest single-game QBR of all
> >time (0.9 versus Carolina in 2008), can sleep a little easier now.
> >
> >The question is this: Is it fair to heap all the blame for the Jets'
> >terrible play onto Sanchez? Of course not. He had to contend with a
> >ferocious Ravens D full of players who were especially amped to demolish
> >Ryan, their old coach, and he had to do so without protection from Nick
> >Mangold, by most accounts the best center in the NFL; Mangold was out with a
> >high right ankle sprain. But the numbers still say it's time for the Jets
> >and their fans to be deeply worried about whether Sanchez can productively
> >handle the offensive responsibilities he's being asked
>
> This if bullshit; if Sanchez is so bad, how the hell did the Jets make
> it to 2 AFC Championship games? And he could have the game against
> Pittsburgh if the Jets defense didn't stink it up in the first half.


"Sanchez won" those four playoff games by with an average of 157 yards rushing and a D that gave up an average of 16 points. "Sanchez won" those games by handing off to the RBs 127 times while attempting only 94 passes -- in a passing league.

>how the hell did the Jets make it to 2 AFC Championship games?

With big running and big defense, carrying Sanchez along with them.

How's that big running looking this year?

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TOPIC: alt.sports.football.pro.???-poser = FURTHER EXPOSED
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8c66f7489b313111?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 2:06 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"


"Dean McEwen Jr" <STEELER_NATION@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:8168-4E8FD411-539@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net...
: You can't even spell stupid. And what was all that talk lastnight about
: bein' cordial? It doesn't look like you know how to practice what you
: preach.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stewpid

1.) stewpid - a stupid synonym for the term stupid
2.) stewpid - dumb like a sack of rice (i.e. That there rice sack is so dang
stewpid.)

The actual term that I used, however, along with the scope in which I used
it has it's roots within this steelers Usenet fan forum. Not being a
Steelers fan one understands why you failed to realize or recognize this
factoid.

Every steelers fan in this ng, that did not accidentally stumble upon it
like yourself, knows why, "s t e w p i d", it is not only acceptable but
the preferred spelling for the original term of stupid within this Usenet
forum. "But Drewbie, I am a REAL steelers fan and have been since Sept. of
2011, my 40+ posts a day prove that I am who I say I am. So how is a lowly
ratbird fan going to prove or disprove anything to my bandwagon full of
fellow Black and Urination blood brothers?

Education Butters', or better yet your lack thereof. You see Cordell Stewart
was a former Steelers starting QB under then HC, Bill Cowturd. Cordell
Stewart came to be recognized as an accomplished veteran QB when it came to
choking in playoff games. During the course of his tenor as the Steelers
starting QB, Steelers fans within alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers,
grew to despise Cordell Stewart and they munged his name to reflect his
perceived gayness (i.e. Cordell = Cordella), and his often demonstrated
ineptness as previously mentioned, ( i.e. Stewart + stupid = Stewpid ). You
see Butters', Steelers fans here actually coined the term that you knew
nothing about.

Being the lazy poser steelers fan that you are, Ricky Bobby McEwen, you
failed to do enough Google searches to validate - less maintain, your claim
of being a life-long Steelers fan. Beyond quoting Google'd Steelers history
to fans that are fully aware of said history. In fact you fail to do so in
every Usenet fan forum which is why each of your newly minted characters
stands out and with a minimal of poser baiting attempts. Conjure up a few of
your Usenet posers to help you pry that virtual rat-trap bar off your
genuinely spineless neck before your virtual ass in the air draws any more
suitors.
--
~werd


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 5:20 pm
From: "dean"


The webtv returd talks shit about about others being fans of many teams
see how many newsgroups he and his webtv retard ass appears in .

I will always always be a Red Sox's and Pats fans forever..
Just because I hate on fans ranting on Andy Reid/Vick/Romo means 0.

"R�vNsf�n �" wrote in message news:4e90bce0$0$9141$b42602f9@news.qis.net...

"Dean McEwen Jr" <STEELER_NATION@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:8168-4E8FD411-539@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net...
: You can't even spell stupid. And what was all that talk lastnight about
: bein' cordial? It doesn't look like you know how to practice what you
: preach.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stewpid

1.) stewpid - a stupid synonym for the term stupid
2.) stewpid - dumb like a sack of rice (i.e. That there rice sack is so dang
stewpid.)

The actual term that I used, however, along with the scope in which I used
it has it's roots within this steelers Usenet fan forum. Not being a
Steelers fan one understands why you failed to realize or recognize this
factoid.

Every steelers fan in this ng, that did not accidentally stumble upon it
like yourself, knows why, "s t e w p i d", it is not only acceptable but
the preferred spelling for the original term of stupid within this Usenet
forum. "But Drewbie, I am a REAL steelers fan and have been since Sept. of
2011, my 40+ posts a day prove that I am who I say I am. So how is a lowly
ratbird fan going to prove or disprove anything to my bandwagon full of
fellow Black and Urination blood brothers?

Education Butters', or better yet your lack thereof. You see Cordell Stewart
was a former Steelers starting QB under then HC, Bill Cowturd. Cordell
Stewart came to be recognized as an accomplished veteran QB when it came to
choking in playoff games. During the course of his tenor as the Steelers
starting QB, Steelers fans within alt.sports.football.pro.pitt-steelers,
grew to despise Cordell Stewart and they munged his name to reflect his
perceived gayness (i.e. Cordell = Cordella), and his often demonstrated
ineptness as previously mentioned, ( i.e. Stewart + stupid = Stewpid ). You
see Butters', Steelers fans here actually coined the term that you knew
nothing about.

Being the lazy poser steelers fan that you are, Ricky Bobby McEwen, you
failed to do enough Google searches to validate - less maintain, your claim
of being a life-long Steelers fan. Beyond quoting Google'd Steelers history
to fans that are fully aware of said history. In fact you fail to do so in
every Usenet fan forum which is why each of your newly minted characters
stands out and with a minimal of poser baiting attempts. Conjure up a few of
your Usenet posers to help you pry that virtual rat-trap bar off your
genuinely spineless neck before your virtual ass in the air draws any more
suitors.
--
~werd


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 5:33 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 8, 4:06 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
>
>
> Being the lazy poser steelers fan that you are, Ricky Bobby McEwen,
Does this mean I'm officially off the hook?

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TOPIC: CBS News reports; ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney
General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4560adb06212689c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 3:52 pm
From: Kulin Remailer


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html

WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

Yet internal Justice Department documents show that at least ten months before that hearing, Holder began receiving frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious.

Read the new documents
Read the July 5, 2010 memo

Read the "It's a tricky case" email

Read the memo to AG Holder from Asst. AG Lanny A. Breuer

The documents came from the head of the National Drug Intelligence Center and Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer.

In Fast and Furious, ATF agents allegedly allowed thousands of weapons to cross the border and fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

Gunwalking scandal uncovered at ATF

It's called letting guns "walk," and it remained secret to the public until Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was murdered last December. Two guns from Fast and Furious were found at the scene, and ATF agent John Dodson blew the whistle on the operation.

Agent: I was ordered to let guns "walk" into Mexico

Ever since, the Justice Department has publicly tried to distance itself. But the new documents leave no doubt that high level Justice officials knew guns were being "walked."

Two Justice Department officials mulled it over in an email exchange Oct. 18, 2010. "It's a tricky case given the number of guns that have walked but is a significant set of prosecutions," says Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division. Deputy Chief of the National Gang Unit James Trusty replies "I'm not sure how much grief we get for 'guns walking.' It may be more like, "Finally they're going after people who sent guns down there."

The Justice Department told CBS News that the officials in those emails were talking about a different case started before Eric Holder became Attorney General. And tonight they tell CBS News, Holder misunderstood that question from the committee - he did know about Fast and Furious - just not the details.


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TOPIC: Did anybody listen to Mason's rant after the game?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1e638760804dd9be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 4:00 pm
From: Ritchie


On Oct 7, 5:06 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 9:21 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Ritchie" <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1b300ebc-c0ea-41d7-a28b-9fefc2393ee7@dm9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Oct 6, 10:31 am, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I know coaches take jobs w/ strings attached but Schott was signed
> > > afterwards so who knows. Maybe Rex didn't want someone too strong
> > > around or maybe he liked him. I don't know. My opinion on Callahan
> > > judging talent, & probably a poor judge at that, is based on teh fact
> > > I never heard Schott talk about the OL.
>
> > > Callahan can't leave until his contract is up so it will be curious to
> > > see what happens w/ both Schott & Callahan. Whether it is Schott or
> > > Sanchez they need to find out by moving on w/ Schott as moving on w/
> > > Sanchez would be too expensive.
>
> > Schott was there before Rex and Woody and Schott sr are good friends.
> > IMO Schott was forced on Rex.
>
> > And another guy with a sense of time....it amazes me how these people think
> > Rex brought Schott in...
>
> Schott was there before Rex who wrote otherwise?
>
> Schott signed his last contract weeks after Rex was hired.
>
> The only place I ever seen reference that woody & Marty S are friends
> has been here based on the fact that Marty showed up at camp.  Marty
> in case you forget was given a game ball by Ryan after beating the
> Chargers in the playoffs. Maybe Ryan invited him for good television.
>
> Really does any of you really know they are friends?

Schott was Mangini's OC therefore he was there before Rex.

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TOPIC: Here's how offense is up this year. You get to explain why.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/1c55799f2add1bd5?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 4:39 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


Offense is up this season because passing is up -- passing yards are up about 10% over last year.

Passing is up because yards after the catch (YAC) is up -- the increase in YAC accounts for *more* than 100% of the increase in passing yards. Pass completion rate is basically the same as last year, and the length of the average pass attempt actually has been a little shorter than last year. But YAC is up a good 20% over last year.

"Yards after the catch" is up 20% over last year because [your theory here].

Your NFL statistical facts of the day.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Costello of the NY Post hits the nail on the head
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/75dd412650b86640?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 4:50 pm
From: eric


On Oct 7, 5:30 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > The Patriots defense has sucked for 2-3 years or so because they lost
> > Vrabel, McGinnest, Seymour, Samuels, Law, Bruschi, Colvin, Johnson,
> > Gay and Harrison.
>
> & he traded away or wouldn't sign how many of them?

Trading/signing away is not necessarily the coach's decision. Pioli
was the Vice President of Player Personnel during that period.

> There was more free agency in the 80's & early 90's.  First plan B
> (which the Cowboys were built on) & then per-salary cap free agency.
> How many teams did Deion play for?

That is a ridiculous statement. Free agency didn't begin in the NFL
until 1993. There was no NFL free agency in the 1980's and early 90's.

> Bellichik is great coach but so much of that, like Polian & Indy, has
> been the luck of getting great QB's & not burning $ & draft choices
> trying to find one.

Aren't you the guy the was posting on here a couple of weeks ago that
Brady was just a system quarterback? Make up your mind, you can't
argue both ways.


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Pats' D almost as bad as their O is good
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/04de171f995b7794?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 5:28 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/different-but-brilliant-wes-welker-and-calvin-johnson/


Patriots setting all kinds of records, on both sides of the ball

New England scored over 30 points in each of the last eight games of the 2010 regular season. And while the offense floundered in memorable fashion against the Jets in New England's only postseason game last season, the Patriot offense has again topped 30 points in every game in 2011. By doing so, New England became the first team to score over 30 points in 12 straight regular-season games...

How good has New England's offense been? The Patriots are the first team in league history to gain over 2,000 yards in the opening four games.

The only offense that might be able to match New England's? Whatever offense is on the other sideline.

The Patriots are the first team in league history to allow over 1,900 yards to opponents in the first four games.

Tom Brady has thrown for 1,553 yards on 163 passes so far. Pretty good, but Chad Henne, Philip Rivers, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jason Campbell threw for 1,475 yards on 168 passes against the Patriots' defense. Bill Belichick probably gets treated for whiplash after every practice.

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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 6 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Steve Jobs - 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7eafd23a63cea421?hl=en
* For Chung and Asher - 6 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/31582617a97e4980?hl=en
* Stolen Underground - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/92c9c2d474f65064?hl=en
* {OT} Anyone using a "Skype" type VOIP application - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/491ae49a3d9fe8c5?hl=en
* The cycle leg of Kona ironman - 7 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/68a74f2cbee14927?hl=en
* Tour of Beijing - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/843443aa4fbfc85d?hl=en

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TOPIC: Steve Jobs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/7eafd23a63cea421?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 7 2011 11:42 pm
From: Bob Martin


in 658961 20111007 201541 Davey Crockett <rec@azurservers.com> wrote:

>
>Not sure about Android, but I hate that too.
>

Why?


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 6:28 am
From: Davey Crockett


Bob Martin a �crit profondement:

| in 658961 20111007 201541 Davey Crockett <rec@azurservers.com> wrote:
>
| >
| >Not sure about Android, but I hate that too.
| >
>
| Why?

No idea Bob

I was quoting another poster
--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsa
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 7:26 am
From: BL


On 10/7/2011 6:34 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> In article<JMqdnWXnJs_4nRLTnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> BL<bl@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/7/2011 1:04 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <44509684-332c-4605-8e72-7bea04e61cd5@z12g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Brad Anders<pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 6, 8:42 am, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/6/2011 6:10 AM, Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <223e57ef-a1fb-4ff7-89a9-5707d106a...@u6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> Brad Anders<pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amazing career, dead long before his time. Only 3 years older than me.
>>>>>>> Makes me appreciate every day I have good health and can get out on my
>>>>>>> bike.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone here know him personally? Quite a conflicting character from
>>>>>>> what you read, most of which I doubt is that accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did not know him. Spent a few years at Apple while he
>>>>>> was not there and after the second coming. The
>>>>>> expression "reality distortion field" was coined for
>>>>>> his effect on others. He instituted the most effective
>>>>>> and productive (money making) corporate secrecy ever
>>>>>> outside of government contractors. Nobody had to tell
>>>>>> you to keep your lip buttoned; it was in the air.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was a marketing genius for sure. As a person? I read in one of his
>>>>> obituaries that he gave virtually nothing to charity and that Greenpeace
>>>>> has criticized him repeatedly for not making his products readily
>>>>> recyclable. Also did not know that he was adopted and discovered he had
>>>>> a half sister well into adulthood. Still, gone before his time. RIP.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt that when Intel's remaining two founders, Andy Grove and
>>>> Gordon Moore, pass away, that there will be as much hoopla as there
>>>> has been about Jobs. But both are responsible for as much of an impact
>>>> as Jobs, if not more, and both certainly gave back a huge amount of
>>>> their fortunes to the institutions that they came from and the
>>>> communities they lived in. Grove could be an asshole, but I've never
>>>> heard anyone say a bad word about Gordon. He used to ask to sit with
>>>> us at lunch and ask us what we were doing, a very personable and
>>>> friendly guy. The same could be said of many of the leaders in the
>>>> valley, who were fairly quiet, but made huge impacts to technology and
>>>> weren't so tight-pocketed.
>>>
>>> How do we know Steve Jobs was not charitable?
>>> From what we have heard he probably did not
>>> take tax deductions for charitable contributions.
>>> Many people prefer that their charity be not public,
>>> and Steve Jobs held his cards close to his chest.
>>>
>> Contact the BBC. They reported it in their obituary.
>
> You contact them, you are so interested.
>
Nah. It's apparently your issue. If you think the BBC is in error, let
them know.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 10:25 am
From: Frederick the Great


In article <dYWdnb66A6AywA3TnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
BL <bl@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 10/7/2011 6:34 PM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> > In article<JMqdnWXnJs_4nRLTnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> > BL<bl@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 10/7/2011 1:04 AM, Frederick the Great wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <44509684-332c-4605-8e72-7bea04e61cd5@z12g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> Brad Anders<pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 6, 8:42 am, BL<b...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On 10/6/2011 6:10 AM, Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>>> In article
> >>>>>> <223e57ef-a1fb-4ff7-89a9-5707d106a...@u6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>> Brad Anders<pband...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Amazing career, dead long before his time. Only 3 years older than me.
> >>>>>>> Makes me appreciate every day I have good health and can get out on my
> >>>>>>> bike.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone here know him personally? Quite a conflicting character from
> >>>>>>> what you read, most of which I doubt is that accurate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Did not know him. Spent a few years at Apple while he
> >>>>>> was not there and after the second coming. The
> >>>>>> expression "reality distortion field" was coined for
> >>>>>> his effect on others. He instituted the most effective
> >>>>>> and productive (money making) corporate secrecy ever
> >>>>>> outside of government contractors. Nobody had to tell
> >>>>>> you to keep your lip buttoned; it was in the air.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He was a marketing genius for sure. As a person? I read in one of his
> >>>>> obituaries that he gave virtually nothing to charity and that Greenpeace
> >>>>> has criticized him repeatedly for not making his products readily
> >>>>> recyclable. Also did not know that he was adopted and discovered he had
> >>>>> a half sister well into adulthood. Still, gone before his time. RIP.
> >>>>
> >>>> I doubt that when Intel's remaining two founders, Andy Grove and
> >>>> Gordon Moore, pass away, that there will be as much hoopla as there
> >>>> has been about Jobs. But both are responsible for as much of an impact
> >>>> as Jobs, if not more, and both certainly gave back a huge amount of
> >>>> their fortunes to the institutions that they came from and the
> >>>> communities they lived in. Grove could be an asshole, but I've never
> >>>> heard anyone say a bad word about Gordon. He used to ask to sit with
> >>>> us at lunch and ask us what we were doing, a very personable and
> >>>> friendly guy. The same could be said of many of the leaders in the
> >>>> valley, who were fairly quiet, but made huge impacts to technology and
> >>>> weren't so tight-pocketed.
> >>>
> >>> How do we know Steve Jobs was not charitable?
> >>> From what we have heard he probably did not
> >>> take tax deductions for charitable contributions.
> >>> Many people prefer that their charity be not public,
> >>> and Steve Jobs held his cards close to his chest.
> >>>
> >> Contact the BBC. They reported it in their obituary.
> >
> > You contact them, you are so interested.
> >
> Nah. It's apparently your issue.

My interest is piqued by people who use `issue' for problem.
Has the Beeb descended to this, as well?

> If you think the BBC is in error,

No idea where you got this hypothesis.

> let
> them know.

This is the second time you told me to go to the BBC.
If you want to get that you will have pay me my
professional rate.

--
Old Fritz


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 10:52 am
From: Jimmy July


On 10/6/2011 8:42 AM, BL wrote:
> On 10/6/2011 6:10 AM, Michael Press wrote:
>> In article
>> <223e57ef-a1fb-4ff7-89a9-5707d106a505@u6g2000vbo.googlegroups.com>,
>> Brad Anders<pbanders@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Amazing career, dead long before his time. Only 3 years older than me.
>>> Makes me appreciate every day I have good health and can get out on my
>>> bike.
>>>
>>> Anyone here know him personally? Quite a conflicting character from
>>> what you read, most of which I doubt is that accurate.
>>
>> Did not know him. Spent a few years at Apple while he
>> was not there and after the second coming. The
>> expression "reality distortion field" was coined for
>> his effect on others. He instituted the most effective
>> and productive (money making) corporate secrecy ever
>> outside of government contractors. Nobody had to tell
>> you to keep your lip buttoned; it was in the air.
>>
> He was a marketing genius for sure. As a person? I read in one of his
> obituaries that he gave virtually nothing to charity and that Greenpeace
> has criticized him repeatedly for not making his products readily
> recyclable. Also did not know that he was adopted and discovered he had
> a half sister well into adulthood. Still, gone before his time. RIP.
>

Jobs was a doper:
http://www.thefix.com/news#justin1325

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TOPIC: For Chung and Asher
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/31582617a97e4980?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 12:29 am
From: Michael Press


In article
<4f9be820-dcec-44b3-b9c8-c47b20d87dbb@b6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@aol.com> wrote:

> On Oct 7, 6:29 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >  Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Only because the incorrect usage is endemic among
> > casual speakers and writers.
> >
> > > On the other hand "I am older than he" and "I am older
> > > than him" don't have the same duality of meaning
> > > because of the intransitive verb.
> >
> > > So perhaps I and others are used to using the objective
> > > pronoun because using the nominative by itself, as in
> > > "than she," has a tendency to lead to ambiguity and
> > > is avoided?
> >
> > I do not know. "He" and "him", "I" and "me" are a
> > sensitive subject for many who react in different ways
> > such as disdain for learning, puzzlement, or feeling
> > inferior; but rarely do they remedy their ignorance.
> >
> > Many grammatical mistakes are made because the sentence
> > has an ellipsis. Adding in the missing words makes
> > the correct usage obvious.
> >
> > Trust me, my original wise crack was meant to be taken
> > for a joke; and I was surprised to end up arguing English
> > usage. I am not interested enough in defending the
> > language to initiate discussions about correct usage.
>
> That's where you and I differ. I have enough interest to point out
> how stupid a language is that has grown people arguing minutiae about
> correct usage, and I make a point of not using outdated and stupid
> constructions to help hasten their demise.
>
> Language wants to evolve - let it. Unless you're one of those
> Creationists you won't have a problem with that.
>
> And I have your ellipsis right here... :)~

You show too much energy in your reply to be
as disinterested as you would have us believe.

--
Michael Press


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 9:38 am
From: RicodJour


On Oct 8, 3:29 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>  RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > That's where you and I differ.  I have enough interest to point out
> > how stupid a language is that has grown people arguing minutiae about
{snip}
> You show too much energy in your reply to be
> as disinterested as you would have us believe.

I don't mean to DIS you but I said I have enough interest.

Correct usage is usually important, but reading comprehension and
understanding are always so. :)~

R


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 10:19 am
From: Michael Press


In article
<c4936ee1-ab9b-4029-b6a1-ece8954d5c00@q24g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@aol.com> wrote:

> On Oct 8, 3:29 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >  RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That's where you and I differ.  I have enough interest to point out
> > > how stupid a language is that has grown people arguing minutiae about
> {snip}
> > You show too much energy in your reply to be
> > as disinterested as you would have us believe.
>
> I don't mean to DIS you but I said I have enough interest.
>
> Correct usage is usually important, but reading comprehension and
> understanding are always so.

[...]

How is it those interested in letting the language
evolve do not apply the same laissez faire attitude
to those who are interested in the minutia?

--
Michael Press


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 11:49 am
From: RicodJour


On Oct 8, 1:19 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>  RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 8, 3:29 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >  RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > That's where you and I differ.  I have enough interest to point out
> > > > how stupid a language is that has grown people arguing minutiae about
> > {snip}
> > > You show too much energy in your reply to be
> > > as disinterested as you would have us believe.
>
> > I don't mean to DIS you but I said I have enough interest.
>
> > Correct usage is usually important, but reading comprehension and
> > understanding are always so.
>
> [...]
>
> How is it those interested in letting the language
> evolve do not apply the same laissez faire attitude
> to those who are interested in the minutia?

Because we've evolved.

R


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 1:53 pm
From: Michael Press


In article
<a31edf6e-f68c-45c4-aeef-456fd5cf6df1@m15g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
RicodJour <ricodjour@aol.com> wrote:

> On Oct 8, 1:19 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >  RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 8, 3:29 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > >  RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > That's where you and I differ.  I have enough interest to point out
> > > > > how stupid a language is that has grown people arguing minutiae about
> > > {snip}
> > > > You show too much energy in your reply to be
> > > > as disinterested as you would have us believe.
> >
> > > I don't mean to DIS you but I said I have enough interest.
> >
> > > Correct usage is usually important, but reading comprehension and
> > > understanding are always so.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > How is it those interested in letting the language
> > evolve do not apply the same laissez faire attitude
> > to those who are interested in the minutia?
>
> Because we've evolved.

If disparaging your inferiors is evolved.

--
Michael Press


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 2:38 pm
From: RicodJour


On Oct 8, 4:53 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>  RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 8, 1:19 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > How is it those interested in letting the language
> > > evolve do not apply the same laissez faire attitude
> > > to those who are interested in the minutia?
>
> > Because we've evolved.
>
> If disparaging your inferiors is evolved.

The Morlocks ate the Eloi.

It's a tough world. ;)

R

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 4:34 am
From: Simply Fred


billyroll wrote:
> I miss Decanio's humor. What happened to him?

Got laid ? Bought a fleshlight ?


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 2:09 pm
From: Plano Dude


On Oct 8, 6:34 am, Simply Fred <n...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> billyroll wrote:
> > I miss Decanio's humor. What happened to him?
>
> Got laid ? Bought a fleshlight ?

https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107179819310324

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 6:26 am
From: Davey Crockett


Davey is looking for an alternative.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/10/08/58364420.html

--
Davey Crockett
Flying the Flag of the English
The Flag of Hengest and Horsa
http://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 4:05 pm
From: birdbrain


On Oct 8, 6:26 am, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> Davey is looking for an alternative.
>
> http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/10/08/58364420.html
>
> --
> Davey Crockett
> Flying the Flag of the English
> The Flag of Hengest and Horsahttp://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg

http://www.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony

Never tried it.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 4:19 pm
From: ilan


On Oct 8, 3:26 pm, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com> wrote:
> Davey is looking for an alternative.
>
> http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/10/08/58364420.html
>
> --
> Davey Crockett
> Flying the Flag of the English
> The Flag of Hengest and Horsahttp://usera.imagecave.com/daveycrockett/englishdragon.jpg

Google phone, I think it's free to USA/Canada phones from USA/Canada
IP addresses. Yahoo had VOIP a couple of years ago.

-ilan

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TOPIC: The cycle leg of Kona ironman
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/68a74f2cbee14927?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 11:58 am
From: john


Is here for those interested, you'll see a lot of none UCI legal bikes.
http://kona.ironmanlive.com/#axzz1aDUrCNkC
--


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 1:35 pm
From: RicodJour


On Oct 8, 2:58 pm, john <free...@freedom.com> wrote:
>
> Is here for those interested, you'll see a lot of none UCI legal bikes.
> http://kona.ironmanlive.com/#axzz1aDUrCNkC

Hi, John. Ironman isn't bike racing, and many on this newsgroup
question whether it is even a sport. Oh, and you shouldn't ride in
wet shorts - your junk will get jungle rot and fall off. Thanks.

R


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 2:13 pm
From: Brad Anders


On Oct 8, 1:35 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 2:58 pm, john <free...@freedom.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Is here for those interested, you'll see a lot of none UCI legal bikes.
> >http://kona.ironmanlive.com/#axzz1aDUrCNkC
>
> Hi, John.  Ironman isn't bike racing, and many on this newsgroup
> question whether it is even a sport.  Oh, and you shouldn't ride in
> wet shorts - your junk will get jungle rot and fall off.  Thanks.
>
> R

Live SRM data is interesting.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 2:41 pm
From: "atriage"

"Brad Anders" <pbanders@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:35fb4e39-ce86-4841-b9f4-a1bebf90dbf2@l39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 8, 1:35 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 2:58 pm, john <free...@freedom.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Is here for those interested, you'll see a lot of none UCI legal bikes.
> >http://kona.ironmanlive.com/#axzz1aDUrCNkC
>
> Hi, John. Ironman isn't bike racing, and many on this newsgroup
> question whether it is even a sport. Oh, and you shouldn't ride in
> wet shorts - your junk will get jungle rot and fall off. Thanks.
>
> R

Live SRM data is interesting.

Looks like Faris Al-Sultan might be dead if the data is accurate.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 3:45 pm
From: Scott


On Oct 8, 12:58 pm, john <free...@freedom.com> wrote:
> Is here for those interested, you'll see a lot of none UCI legal bikes.http://kona.ironmanlive.com/#axzz1aDUrCNkC
> --

Do you find that surprising?


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 4:08 pm
From: ilan


On Oct 8, 8:58 pm, john <free...@freedom.com> wrote:
> Is here for those interested, you'll see a lot of none UCI legal bikes.http://kona.ironmanlive.com/#axzz1aDUrCNkC
> --

I wonder how the Jewish athletes are doing.

-ilan


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 4:22 pm
From: "FAT"


Bet you couldn't TT 40k at 25MPH, much less 112 miles.

"RicodJour" wrote in message
news:2686c848-1f48-4578-a565-b39b8f3ce8ff@n8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

On Oct 8, 2:58 pm, john <free...@freedom.com> wrote:
>
> Is here for those interested, you'll see a lot of none UCI legal bikes.
> http://kona.ironmanlive.com/#axzz1aDUrCNkC

Hi, John. Ironman isn't bike racing, and many on this newsgroup
question whether it is even a sport. Oh, and you shouldn't ride in
wet shorts - your junk will get jungle rot and fall off. Thanks.

R


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 2:45 pm
From: RicodJour


The smog is mind boggling. I'm wheezing just watching it on the
tube. Then Phil says, "The bit of mist you see is misleading - it's
really a very nice day." Hoo boy.

How can the UCI require the riders to ride in such abysmal conditions
that are quite clearly injurious to health? What about all of that
vaunted EU worker's rights stuff?

On another note - there's a Chinese rider, Wang (hope that clears THAT
up), #186, who has an absolutely beautiful pedal stroke. He won most
aggressive. Reminded me of videos I've seen of Anquetil.

R


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 8 2011 3:26 pm
From: --D-y


On Oct 8, 4:45 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:

> How can the UCI require the riders to ride in such abysmal conditions [smog]
> that are quite clearly injurious to health?

The same way they've been requiring riders to ride doped to the gills
with EPO, HGH, Clenbuterol, etc. etc. etc. all these years?
--D-y


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Anti-HIV
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Bioorganic & Medicinal Chemistry Letters
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5. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0926669011001403

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M. Meininger, R. Stowasser, P.M. Jakob, H. Schneider, D. Koppler, G.
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