Monday, October 17, 2011

alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets - 25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Revis mugging non-call/int - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/eeb8011b599bd0f6?hl=en
* watching cowboys-pats? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/646da96dddb121c1?hl=en
* Maybe too obvious to notice? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/97aec8e6e892f2dd?hl=en
* Ugly on Ugly Crime - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/786bb5ea48d000f3?hl=en
* Maybin, Ellis, & McKnight... - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/38eb243c9a926a93?hl=en
* Defending Sanchez - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f27347cdb5426a17?hl=en
* The Jets offense is a joke... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ff52919bae75ad7a?hl=en
* F'ing RavNsfan keeps exposing me and my anon. servers - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/26c9f1208c33a9dd?hl=en
* Detroit loses, Bills lose. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2b928a1001f10fa8?hl=en
* Who's worse Moore or Sanchez - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/af97e254eb2f48fb?hl=en
* Ping: Tutor - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/658d5cee678db933?hl=en

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TOPIC: Revis mugging non-call/int
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/eeb8011b599bd0f6?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 8:47 pm
From: MuahMan


14 point swing courtesy of the refs. Refs call the obvious PI in the
endzone on that play the Dolphins win that game.


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:06 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT), MuahMan <muahman@gmail.com> wrote:

>14 point swing courtesy of the refs. Refs call the obvious PI in the
>endzone on that play the Dolphins win that game.


Thanks for caring... of course, I suspect you didn't notice that Marshall actually slipped
on that play, because the commentators did tell you that.

Even if it was a PI, for once we got one, & experienced how you must feel all the time,
the way the refs help you guys.

Nitey nite.


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:07 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT), MuahMan <muahman@gmail.com> wrote:

>14 point swing courtesy of the refs. Refs call the obvious PI in the
>endzone on that play the Dolphins win that game.


Thanks for caring... of course, I suspect you didn't notice that Marshall actually slipped
on that play, because the commentators did tell you that.

Even if it was a PI, for once we got one, & experienced how you must feel all the time,
the way the refs help you guys.

Nitey nite.


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:50 pm
From: MuahMan


On Oct 18, 12:07 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT), MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >14 point swing courtesy of the refs. Refs call the obvious PI in the
> >endzone on that play the Dolphins win that game.
>
> Thanks for caring... of course, I suspect you didn't notice that Marshall actually slipped
> on that play, because the commentators did tell you that.
>
> Even if it was a PI, for once we got one, & experienced how you must feel all the time,
> the way the refs help you guys.
>
> Nitey nite.

Good you can quit whining about it then. Because without that call,
the Jets are 2-4.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:17 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 17, 11:06 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT), MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >14 point swing courtesy of the refs. Refs call the obvious PI in the
> >endzone on that play the Dolphins win that game.
>
> Thanks for caring... of course, I suspect you didn't notice that Marshall actually slipped
> on that play, because the commentators did tell you that.
>
> Even if it was a PI, for once we got one, & experienced how you must feel all the time,
> the way the refs help you guys.
>
> Nitey nite.

Come on, Burford. Please, calls like that I've never even SEEN, let
alone seen benefit the Patriots. Nobody should get calls like that.
They gotta try to be consistent. Revis was in his chops for at least
10 yards without a let up. He rode Marshall right out of the play and
that was not in the chuck zone and you know it.

My personal view of this is that it's unfortunately the way it goes
sometimes with humans making the calls, humans that can't see
everything. You win some and you lose some and it all evens out in
the end. No one team gets all the calls. Cripes, how many years have
Raiders fans used that lame excuse? Come on, if that was true the
NFL would get RICO'd.

But good for Revis for getting away with it. That's cheating at its
finest - right in front of your eyes and the spell makes you say,
"Marshall slipped." Jeezuz, talk about reaching for excuses. You'd
slip too if somebody was gator wrastling you on the run.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:28 pm
From: Tutor


On Oct 17, 10:47 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 14 point swing courtesy of the refs. Refs call the obvious PI in the
> endzone on that play the Dolphins win that game.

hahaha. Must have really gotten under wittle Bri-Bri's skin by
harping on the obvious favorable treatment his cheating Patriots get
every You are such a predictable tool. Too funny.


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:33 pm
From: Tutor


On Oct 17, 11:50 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 18, 12:07 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT), MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >14 point swing courtesy of the refs. Refs call the obvious PI in the
> > >endzone on that play the Dolphins win that game.
>
> > Thanks for caring... of course, I suspect you didn't notice that Marshall actually slipped
> > on that play, because the commentators did tell you that.
>
> > Even if it was a PI, for once we got one, & experienced how you must feel all the time,
> > the way the refs help you guys.
>
> > Nitey nite.
>
> Good you can quit whining about it then. Because without that call,
> the Jets are 2-4.

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! Too funny coming from the boy whose team gets
continual favorable calls each and every week for years now. Brady
gets a follicle touched -----> PI! The refs favorable treatment of
the Pats is a mockery. Just like the cheating was. What a despicable
way to be a winning* franchise.


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TOPIC: watching cowboys-pats?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/646da96dddb121c1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 8:48 pm
From: MZ


On Oct 17, 12:18 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 11:49 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:2491e351-0d13-4ba2-9f62-0dd0aaf7da26@y22g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > refs at it again.  unbelievable.
>
> > No Tutor, you're just hatin on the Patriots.
> > the Pats receivers were getting mugged all day.
> > say what you want about the Fat Fuck Ryans, like their daddy they can coach
> > defense.
> > Shula, Landry and BB were all defense guys as assistants but they all
> > developed killer offenses when head coaches.
> > the Ryans don't seem to be able to reverse engineer like those guys were
> > able to do.
>
> Pats get calls other teams don't.  It gets worse every year. Breathe
> on Brady and it's a roughing call, while other QBs get pummeled time
> and time again w/out a flag.

Brady was ranked 32nd in roughing calls last season. I pointed this
out a week or two ago. You ignore facts.


>  It's consistent and disturbing. Just
> loved the holding call to negate the PI in the endzone.  and the
> ruling on the field is: it's a do-over for the Pats.  I understand why
> you need to deny the obvious.  No worries.

You understand the concept behind offsetting penalties, right? Or are
you saying it wasn't holding? Watch the play and tell me Warren
wasn't held. Seriously tutor, I used to think you were a good poster,
but your conspiracy theories are getting completely out of control.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 8:54 pm
From: MZ


On Oct 17, 11:48 pm, MZ <for...@mdz.no-ip.org> wrote:
> On Oct 17, 12:18 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Pats get calls other teams don't.  It gets worse every year. Breathe
> > on Brady and it's a roughing call, while other QBs get pummeled time
> > and time again w/out a flag.
>
> Brady was ranked 32nd in roughing calls last season.  I pointed this
> out a week or two ago.  You ignore facts.

Here it is again:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/sorry-Michael-Vick-NFL-referees-do-not-play-favorites-092911

But I guess all your friends on the "NFL boards" have more objectivity
than the numbers.

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TOPIC: Maybe too obvious to notice?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/97aec8e6e892f2dd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 8:54 pm
From: Percy Flage


On 18/10/2011 01:31, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> "Señor Patriots"<roaming13@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5b1fc4f1-6eac-4374-975e-971da1874945@i19g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Contrary to popular belief a good QB cannot carry a team on his
>> shoulders. The team has to provide support for the QB and then he can
>> act like he's carrying the team. But nobody is going to overcome a
>> bad HC (Singletary, et al) and perhaps a bad OC or bad OL.
>>
>> Yes, no?
>>
>
>
> Peyton Manning shows a QB can carry a team.
> the Same Dolts team which has been a treat to win it all now can't win
> without Manning..
> he clearly was that whole team.

... and in the process they'll probably Luck out on finding a franchise
replacement.

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TOPIC: Ugly on Ugly Crime
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/786bb5ea48d000f3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:05 pm
From: JetsLife


That was my thought about much of the game through 2 quarters,

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TOPIC: Maybin, Ellis, & McKnight...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/38eb243c9a926a93?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:22 pm
From: buRford


Maybin looks like he can really add something to the D. The key will be guessing right,
since he's still too easily overpowered on runs. If they can bulk him up, we may have
lucked out, & gotten ourself a steal.

Ellis looked good while he was on the field. I'd like to see him play every game, from
here on out... enough with deactivatiing him.

McKnight really is looking good... on STs, O, & D.
One thing I noticed as he was walking off the field, after the game, he's really bulked up
this season... no longer the skinny kid of last season.

Plax looks bad, except his blocking.
The OL played better tonight, & kudos to Hunter, who did an all-around nice job,
especially on Wake.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:17 pm
From: buRford


Maybin looks like he can really add something to the D. The key will be guessing right,
since he's still too easily overpowered on runs. If they can bulk him up, we may have
lucked out, & gotten ourself a steal.

Ellis looked good while he was on the field. I'd like to see him play every game, from
here on out... enough with deactivatiing him.

McKnight really is looking good... on STs, O, & D.
One thing I noticed as he was walking off the field, after the game, he's really bulked up
this season... no longer the skinny kid of last season.

Plax looks bad, except his blocking.
The OL played better tonight, & kudos to Hunter, who did an all-around nice job,
especially on Wake.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:29 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:22:38 -0400, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

>Maybin looks like he can really add something to the D. The key will be guessing right,
>since he's still too easily overpowered on runs. If they can bulk him up, we may have
>lucked out, & gotten ourself a steal.
>
>Ellis looked good while he was on the field. I'd like to see him play every game, from
>here on out... enough with deactivatiing him.
>
>McKnight really is looking good... on STs, O, & D.
>One thing I noticed as he was walking off the field, after the game, he's really bulked up
>this season... no longer the skinny kid of last season.
>
>Plax looks bad, except his blocking.
>The OL played better tonight, & kudos to Hunter, who did an all-around nice job,
>especially on Wake.


Looks like my newserver is burping... two of my posts duped.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:46 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


On 10/17/2011 9:29 PM, buRford wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:22:38 -0400, buRford<buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybin looks like he can really add something to the D. The key will be guessing right,
>> since he's still too easily overpowered on runs. If they can bulk him up, we may have
>> lucked out,& gotten ourself a steal.
>>
>> Ellis looked good while he was on the field. I'd like to see him play every game, from
>> here on out... enough with deactivatiing him.
>>
>> McKnight really is looking good... on STs, O,& D.
>> One thing I noticed as he was walking off the field, after the game, he's really bulked up
>> this season... no longer the skinny kid of last season.
>>
>> Plax looks bad, except his blocking.
>> The OL played better tonight,& kudos to Hunter, who did an all-around nice job,
>> especially on Wake.
>
>
> Looks like my newserver is burping... two of my posts duped.

Two of you? I'm outta here.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:06 pm
From: Tutor


On Oct 17, 11:22 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> Maybin looks like he can really add something to the D.  The key will be guessing right,
> since he's still too easily overpowered on runs.  If they can bulk him up, we may have
> lucked out, & gotten ourself a steal.
>
> Ellis looked good while he was on the field.  I'd like to see him play every game, from
> here on out... enough with deactivatiing him.  
>
> McKnight really is looking good... on STs, O, & D.
> One thing I noticed as he was walking off the field, after the game, he's really bulked up
> this season... no longer the skinny kid of last season.
>
> Plax looks bad, except his blocking.
> The OL played better tonight, & kudos to Hunter, who did an all-around nice job,
> especially on Wake.

agreed agreed agreed and still hope Plax finds his hands. Also, Kyle
Wilson can play. He is looking so much improved from last year.

Now if only we could get Sanchez to look and play like a 3 year
starter.

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TOPIC: Defending Sanchez
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/f27347cdb5426a17?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:56 pm
From: "JKConey"


Anyone left that still wants to defend this kid? Miami dee? This game he had
no excuses. Lots of time to look off, and still so many bad choices, and
inaccurate throws. 56% on a night facing no rush, and a really bad team is
just not a good sign. The kid sucks.

JK Sinrod
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 10:22 pm
From: buRford


On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:56:51 -0400, "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote:

>Anyone left that still wants to defend this kid? Miami dee? This game he had
>no excuses. Lots of time to look off, and still so many bad choices, and
>inaccurate throws. 56% on a night facing no rush, and a really bad team is
>just not a good sign. The kid sucks.
>
>
>
>JK Sinrod
>www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

So, you think this offense fits Sanchez skills?
Watch him when he moves around, or in the no-huddle. He gets it done all the time.
The offensive design, plan, scheme, substitution-pattern, pace, sucks.
It's like if the Pats had an offensive scheme, designed for a mobile QB... ya think
Brady's play would suffer?
Sanchez will never be great, but he has enough skills to win consistently... as he has,
despite his youth, & the offensive mess he's been given to manage.
He' been a young, inexperienced, raw QB, without solid coaching.

Just as an example, Aaron Maybin. He's probably done more in his short stint with the
Jets, than he did in his time with Buffalo. Is it because the light went on for him
suddenly... or is it the Jets D coaching puts him in positions to utilize his talents?


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:11 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 18, 12:22 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
> So, you think this offense fits Sanchez skills?
> Watch him when he moves around, or in the no-huddle.  He gets it done all the time.
> The offensive design, plan, scheme, substitution-pattern, pace, sucks.
>
This is why I brought up that thread about Alex Smith. He "sucked"
for how many years? Give him the right coach and scheme and voila -
instant karma.

It really makes me wonder how many guys came and went without success
and never really had a chance to show what they could do.

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TOPIC: The Jets offense is a joke...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ff52919bae75ad7a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 9:43 pm
From: Michael


No way is this team going to beat any above average team with the
offense they are running. The play calling is horrible, Sanchez is
not accurate nor does he make the best reads and Plax sucks. All Plax
is good for is taking a CB out of the play and may be some blocking,
but no way is he a bona fied target for the qb. As far as the running
games goes, the line cant block very well, Green is not a complete
back, and due to the Jets NEVER throwing the ball down field, the run
game is at a disadvantage.

I dont know if Rex thinks his defense can win games for him with
scores like 3 to 6, but if he does, he's mistaken. The defense is
not that good. It is an above average defense, not the 85 Bears.

This team is in serious trouble... The only teams they will beat are
teams like the Jags and Miami

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TOPIC: F'ing RavNsfan keeps exposing me and my anon. servers
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:00 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"


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TOPIC: Detroit loses, Bills lose.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2b928a1001f10fa8?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:01 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 17, 7:35 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Their back-up was incapable of turning in even a shadow of the job because
> the entire scheme was built to Manning.
>
Keeerist, even in Mexico they know that the Colts are obliged to
change the schemes to suit the QB. Either that or the backup is good
enough to run the Manning offense. Either way they didn't have the
personnel. That's why they called Kerry Collins. Collins is proof
that they swapped out the system for something more conventional. It
still sucks though - and that's my point about the front office
fail. They failed. There is no excuse for it. If they had had a
decent backup they would have salvaged their season.

Fine with me if they blew it because now the Patriots clearly have the
best W/L record over the past decade. They were neck and neck with
the Neck before he went down.


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TOPIC: Who's worse Moore or Sanchez
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/af97e254eb2f48fb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:20 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 17, 8:43 pm, MuahMan <muah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a toss up.

Would you learn to punctuate? Use a question mark when you ask a dumb
question. Of course Moore is worse. He's a big smelly animal and
Sanchez is a handsome Mexican.

Arrrrrrriba!

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TOPIC: Ping: Tutor
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/658d5cee678db933?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:28 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 17, 8:04 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>  tell me that wasn't a gift, Revis held the guy the whole way and then
> shoved him away befor making the interception.
> talk about Referee making a home team call.

You gotta hand it to him. Well done. Bien hecho.

I can't imagine how the official in the end zone missed it. That was
perhaps one of the most blatant hatchet jobs I've ever witnessed.
That was a world class hatchet job.

I am not a rule book geek so I don't know for a fact that Marshall
didn't start it by trying to push Revis out of the way, and deny him
his space that he already owned. It should be interesting to see how
some neutral observers saw it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:25 pm
From: Tutor


On Oct 17, 8:04 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>  tell me that wasn't a gift, Revis held the guy the whole way and then
> shoved him away befor making the interception.
> talk about Referee making a home team call.

hey, just back from the game. Yup. Now you know what it feels like.
Its an example of what we see every fukin week with the refs during
pats games. There is no team that gets more one-sided favorable
treatment than the Pats, not even the Steelers. It's a friggin
disgrace to the game. So when the Jets finally get one favorable
call, there you and idiot Pratt are to point it out. This
demonstrates beyond any doubt how you know you've been getting the
lion's share of calls for many years now. Otherwise you wouldn't be
reacting this way.

Pats get favorable treatment from NFL officials. Period. You know
it, I know it and so do most fans who see it every week.


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* O-Line strikes back at Santonio - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/24cda78d4a1f0bb6?hl=en
* watching cowboys-pats? - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/646da96dddb121c1?hl=en
* RävNsfän imposter news.qis.net sock - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/26c9f1208c33a9dd?hl=en
* Detroit loses, Bills lose. - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2b928a1001f10fa8?hl=en
* Maybe too obvious to notice? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/97aec8e6e892f2dd?hl=en
* Kris Jenkins... Points to Schotty again... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b5bec93615cd680b?hl=en
* GREAT first series! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/16606d0e32fdae37?hl=en
* Ping: Tutor - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/658d5cee678db933?hl=en
* Santonio throws Callahan under the bus. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4d6669065c71ad2c?hl=en
* Refs give Jets a free TD. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8fd124e6eed148a1?hl=en
* Awesome! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/4e2356f1ec9990b1?hl=en
* The Jets D... - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ecd9d203ec0b3ee6?hl=en
* Who's worse Moore or Sanchez - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Touchdown Chico!!!!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Revis mugging non-call/int - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/eeb8011b599bd0f6?hl=en

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TOPIC: O-Line strikes back at Santonio
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/24cda78d4a1f0bb6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 11:16 am
From: "RävNsfän ®"


"Señor Patriots" <roaming13@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:09ac385b-c379-4548-8fbf-bd95f6f9c8db@h5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 16, 9:42 pm, "RävNsfän ®" <noemai...@nospam4me.org> wrote:
> the Steelers opening day Beat Down by the Ravens.
>
Congratulations for a glorious Week One victory.

Thanks JDWildOne, ...and why is everyone concerned about something you did
last night?

BTW: Ray-Ray said to tell you... (he) feels bad that your rear-end is still
on fire after he hit you up last night. He said, ..." you will know exactly
what he (Ray-Ray) means.

Did you guys get into an accident?

- -
~werd

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TOPIC: watching cowboys-pats?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/646da96dddb121c1?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 12:18 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

<Deadmeat> wrote in message
news:4e9c6f0e$0$10431$c3e8da3$14a0410e@news.astraweb.com...
> On 10/17/2011 12:43 PM, Michael wrote:
>> On Oct 17, 11:26 am, Deadmeat<Deadmeat> wrote:
>>> On 10/17/2011 11:03 AM, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 17, 10:47 am, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Tutor"<dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> news:72e86389-fd54-4120-84d6-2690f7156753@h39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Oct 16, 11:49 pm, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> "Tutor"<dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>>> news:2491e351-0d13-4ba2-9f62-0dd0aaf7da26@y22g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>>>> refs at it again. unbelievable.
>>>
>>>>>> No Tutor, you're just hatin on the Patriots.
>>>>>> the Pats receivers were getting mugged all day.
>>>>>> say what you want about the Fat Fuck Ryans, like their daddy they can
>>>>>> coach
>>>>>> defense.
>>>>>> Shula, Landry and BB were all defense guys as assistants but they all
>>>>>> developed killer offenses when head coaches.
>>>>>> the Ryans don't seem to be able to reverse engineer like those guys
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> able to do.
>>>
>>>>> Pats get calls other teams don't. It gets worse every year. Breathe
>>>>> on Brady and it's a roughing call, while other QBs get pummeled time
>>>>> and time again w/out a flag. It's consistent and disturbing. Just
>>>>> loved the holding call to negate the PI in the endzone. and the
>>>>> ruling on the field is: it's a do-over for the Pats. I understand why
>>>>> you need to deny the obvious. No worries.
>>>
>>>>> =================================================================
>>>
>>>>> no they don't and even other Jets fans have pointed that out to you.
>>>>> You just hate the Pats so much that you imagine every call is an
>>>>> outrage and
>>>>> that their are more than there really is.
>>>>> Welker was getting held and bumped illegally all day and no calss went
>>>>> his
>>>>> way.
>>>
>>>> i think there were a few questionable calls... still... that is not
>>>> what cost the cowboys the game...
>>>
>>>> the dalls offensive calls in their last two dallas drives were very
>>>> odd... the cowboys have too much talent to warrant going into a shell
>>>> like that...
>>>
>>>> the loss was on garret. may be he was just spooked because of romo's
>>>> predilection for last minute mistakes.
>>>
>>>> the same thing that cost the jets their game against the pats cost
>>>> dalls as well... bad offensive play calling...
>>>
>>>> at least dallas did not have senven streaigh three and outs... garret
>>>> and schotty can have a drink together and talk about it.
>>>
>>> When the owner of the team comes out and says that maybe they should run
>>> the ball more in those situations, the coach has to listen.
>>>
>>> If Romo had thrown the ball and it was picked, there would be more of an
>>> uproar in Dallas. Besides, until that point the Dallas defense was
>>> doing a good job.
>>>
>>> But, you don't want to put the ball in Bradys hands with the game on the
>>> line. So you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.- Hide
>>> quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> ahh... i guess i'm not up to speed on this one... it was jones that
>> stepped in and told garret to run the ball ??? did jones make a prior
>> remark about running the ball, or did he specifically call the
>> sidelines and tell garret to run three straight times when all they
>> needed was a single first down to win the game ??? if it was a prior
>> "suggestion" by jones, then it is still garret's blunder... If Jones
>> was playing OC and called to the sidelines, then it is on jones...
>> Jones is a very "involved" owner as we all know, but I don't think
>> Jones runs the game real time.
>
>
> Well he did say a couple of weeks ago they should have gone conservative
> against the Lions. But I just read where he thinks they should have been
> more aggressive at the end of the game yesterday. So, yeah, it's on
> Garret, even though he had the prior comment in the back of his head, I'll
> guess.


jerry is very good at the monday morning QBing.
he is a very hands on owner and he has only himself to blame.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 12:23 pm
From: Michael


On Oct 17, 2:08 pm, Deadmeat <Deadmeat> wrote:
> On 10/17/2011 12:43 PM, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 11:26 am, Deadmeat<Deadmeat>  wrote:
> >> On 10/17/2011 11:03 AM, Michael wrote:
>
> >>> On Oct 17, 10:47 am, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>    wrote:
> >>>> "Tutor"<dcat4...@yahoo.com>    wrote in message
>
> >>>>news:72e86389-fd54-4120-84d6-2690f7156753@h39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On Oct 16, 11:49 pm, "Ray O'Hara"<raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>    wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Tutor"<dcat4...@yahoo.com>    wrote in message
>
> >>>>>news:2491e351-0d13-4ba2-9f62-0dd0aaf7da26@y22g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>> refs at it again. unbelievable.
>
> >>>>> No Tutor, you're just hatin on the Patriots.
> >>>>> the Pats receivers were getting mugged all day.
> >>>>> say what you want about the Fat Fuck Ryans, like their daddy they can
> >>>>> coach
> >>>>> defense.
> >>>>> Shula, Landry and BB were all defense guys as assistants but they all
> >>>>> developed killer offenses when head coaches.
> >>>>> the Ryans don't seem to be able to reverse engineer like those guys were
> >>>>> able to do.
>
> >>>> Pats get calls other teams don't.  It gets worse every year. Breathe
> >>>> on Brady and it's a roughing call, while other QBs get pummeled time
> >>>> and time again w/out a flag.  It's consistent and disturbing. Just
> >>>> loved the holding call to negate the PI in the endzone.  and the
> >>>> ruling on the field is: it's a do-over for the Pats.  I understand why
> >>>> you need to deny the obvious.  No worries.
>
> >>>> =================================================================
>
> >>>> no they don't and even other Jets fans have pointed that out to you.
> >>>> You just hate the Pats so much that you imagine every call is an outrage and
> >>>> that their are more than there really is.
> >>>> Welker was getting held and bumped illegally all day and no calss went his
> >>>> way.
>
> >>> i think there were a few questionable calls... still... that is not
> >>> what cost the cowboys the game...
>
> >>> the dalls offensive calls in their last two dallas drives were very
> >>> odd... the cowboys have too much talent to warrant going into a shell
> >>> like that...
>
> >>> the loss was on garret.  may be he was just spooked because of romo's
> >>> predilection for last minute mistakes.
>
> >>> the same thing that cost the jets their game against the pats cost
> >>> dalls as well... bad offensive play calling...
>
> >>> at least dallas did not have senven streaigh three and outs...  garret
> >>> and schotty can have a drink together and talk about it.
>
> >> When the owner of the team comes out and says that maybe they should run
> >> the ball more in those situations, the coach has to listen.
>
> >> If Romo had thrown the ball and it was picked, there would be more of an
> >> uproar in Dallas.  Besides, until that point the Dallas defense was
> >> doing a good job.
>
> >> But, you don't want to put the ball in Bradys hands with the game on the
> >> line.  So you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > ahh... i guess i'm not up to speed on this one... it was jones that
> > stepped in and told garret to run the ball ??? did jones make a prior
> > remark about running the ball, or did he specifically call the
> > sidelines and tell garret to run three straight times when all they
> > needed was a single first down to win the game ???   if it was a prior
> > "suggestion" by jones, then it is still garret's blunder... If Jones
> > was playing OC and called to the sidelines, then it is on jones...
> > Jones is a very �involved� owner as we all know, but  I don�t think
> > Jones runs the game real time.
>
> Well he did say a couple of weeks ago they should have gone conservative
> against the Lions.  But I just read where he thinks they should have
> been more aggressive at the end of the game yesterday.  So, yeah, it's
> on Garret, even though he had the prior comment in the back of his head,
> I'll guess.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yeah... on garret... to be fair, the late game melt-downs by romo had
a part in garret's decision making...


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 1:24 pm
From: Tutor


On Oct 17, 9:47 am, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:72e86389-fd54-4120-84d6-2690f7156753@h39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 16, 11:49 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:2491e351-0d13-4ba2-9f62-0dd0aaf7da26@y22g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > refs at it again. unbelievable.
>
> > No Tutor, you're just hatin on the Patriots.
> > the Pats receivers were getting mugged all day.
> > say what you want about the Fat Fuck Ryans, like their daddy they can
> > coach
> > defense.
> > Shula, Landry and BB were all defense guys as assistants but they all
> > developed killer offenses when head coaches.
> > the Ryans don't seem to be able to reverse engineer like those guys were
> > able to do.
>
> Pats get calls other teams don't.  It gets worse every year. Breathe
> on Brady and it's a roughing call, while other QBs get pummeled time
> and time again w/out a flag.  It's consistent and disturbing. Just
> loved the holding call to negate the PI in the endzone.  and the
> ruling on the field is: it's a do-over for the Pats.  I understand why
> you need to deny the obvious.  No worries.
>
> =================================================================
>
> no they don't and even other Jets fans have pointed that out to you.
> You just hate the Pats so much that you imagine every call is an outrage and
> that their are more than there really is.
> Welker was getting held and bumped illegally all day and no calss went his
> way.

Mine is not an opinion restricted to Jets fans. It is discussed on
NFL boards and the pattern of favorable calls to Steelers and Pats is
shared a lot more than you are willing to admit. Main biased issues/
calls with officials in Pats games:

1. Brady is untouchable for defenses.....You saw it yesterday, classic
Brady "roughing the passer" which would never be called on most other
QBs.

2. Illegal contact/ defensive holding/ PI......Ticky-tack calls in
each game almost always in the favor of New England, especially on 3rd
downs (This one gets under my skin but is even worse for Steelers)

3. Patriots O-line hardly gets called for holding/ compared to
opposition....

P.S. there is only one team I hate in the NFL: Miami DOlphins. It
hink the Patriots are a well run organization and I have a lot of
respect for Robert Kraft, whom I think is an excellent owner.
Belicheat is a great HC and at the end of the day, even though he is a
cheat and a despicable human being apparently, he is a terrific HC. I
don't hate your beloved team. I do think that the large share of the
Pats fan base is arrogant and is comprised of a huge number of
bandwagonners. But that has nothing to do with the team.

But for you to deny that the refs favor your team is either dishonesty
or blind (literally) homerism.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 8:43 pm
From: MZ


On Oct 16, 4:57 pm, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> refs at it again.  unbelievable.

You have a lot of nerve citing ref issues after your screwup last
week. ;)

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TOPIC: RävNsfän imposter news.qis.net sock
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/26c9f1208c33a9dd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 1:54 pm
From: "RävNsfän ®"


This imbecile actually pays hard earned cash (or maybe a male prostitute
with easy cash...eh) for an anonymous remailer to post nonsense. Beware he
also leg humps me from his news.qis.net sock/forging account. I OWN HIM
HE'S STILL MY BITCH!

FYI- I only post from aioe.org, all others claiming to be RävNsfän are
wannabe fakes......

_

~Drew

"Talk is cheap ...lets just play"
Johnny Unitas - Baltimore Colts

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TOPIC: Detroit loses, Bills lose.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/2b928a1001f10fa8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 2:32 pm
From: Señor Patriots


On Oct 16, 11:30 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ===============================================================================
>
> Pyeton MVP.
> the Dolts went from an elite team to the worst team strictly because Peyton
> isn't there
I understand the argument but not the sentiment. Inactive players are
what their records say they are. MVP candidates help their teams
win, not lose.

I understand the argument though, and it's a point well taken except
that he never played a down this year and we really don't now how good
the team would have been with him. We don't know how good the team
would be with a decent QB like Matt Cassell chucking it (and having
lived in the system for two years.) We really won't ever know these
things because the Colts shot themselves in the foot with backup QB.

So remember all the arguments about the Colts spending too much on
Vinetieri? They could have spent it on a backup QB too but they chose
to go for the game changing kicker. The only problem with that is
that he never got a chance to change a game, and they needed a solid
backup QB.

Imagine if they had had a Matt Cassell in that system who could step
in and win you a few games. Then they are still in the hunt when
Manning gets cleared to play and this conversation never happens.

But I understand the argument and it is compelling. I just don't
think a team with NOBODY at QB can compare their record to what a
Manning team MIGHT have done, but might not have done. One thing is
for sure: Their front office is no longer an MVP front office.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 5:02 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Señor Patriots" <roaming13@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e26b720-d26e-4561-9ce7-cc37c60ecb5e@a25g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 16, 11:30 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ===============================================================================
>
> Pyeton MVP.
> the Dolts went from an elite team to the worst team strictly because
> Peyton
> isn't there
I understand the argument but not the sentiment. Inactive players are
what their records say they are. MVP candidates help their teams
win, not lose.

I understand the argument though, and it's a point well taken except
that he never played a down this year and we really don't now how good
the team would have been with him. We don't know how good the team
would be with a decent QB like Matt Cassell chucking it (and having
lived in the system for two years.) We really won't ever know these
things because the Colts shot themselves in the foot with backup QB.

So remember all the arguments about the Colts spending too much on
Vinetieri? They could have spent it on a backup QB too but they chose
to go for the game changing kicker. The only problem with that is
that he never got a chance to change a game, and they needed a solid
backup QB.

Imagine if they had had a Matt Cassell in that system who could step
in and win you a few games. Then they are still in the hunt when
Manning gets cleared to play and this conversation never happens.

But I understand the argument and it is compelling. I just don't
think a team with NOBODY at QB can compare their record to what a
Manning team MIGHT have done, but might not have done. One thing is
for sure: Their front office is no longer an MVP front office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The entire Colts offense was built around Peyton Mannings unique
skills...especially calling plays at the LOS. He is not like any other
QB....including Brady and the other elites. Now....they took a step
backward in some other areas and may not have been as great this year...but
that whole offensive scheme was built around him and no other QB is going to
come in and make it work...simple.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 5:35 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Señor Patriots" <roaming13@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e26b720-d26e-4561-9ce7-cc37c60ecb5e@a25g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 16, 11:30 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ===============================================================================
>
> Pyeton MVP.
> the Dolts went from an elite team to the worst team strictly because
> Peyton
> isn't there
I understand the argument but not the sentiment. Inactive players are
what their records say they are. MVP candidates help their teams
win, not lose.

I understand the argument though, and it's a point well taken except
that he never played a down this year and we really don't now how good
the team would have been with him. We don't know how good the team
would be with a decent QB like Matt Cassell chucking it (and having
lived in the system for two years.) We really won't ever know these
things because the Colts shot themselves in the foot with backup QB.

So remember all the arguments about the Colts spending too much on
Vinetieri? They could have spent it on a backup QB too but they chose
to go for the game changing kicker. The only problem with that is
that he never got a chance to change a game, and they needed a solid
backup QB.

Imagine if they had had a Matt Cassell in that system who could step
in and win you a few games. Then they are still in the hunt when
Manning gets cleared to play and this conversation never happens.

But I understand the argument and it is compelling. I just don't
think a team with NOBODY at QB can compare their record to what a
Manning team MIGHT have done, but might not have done. One thing is
for sure: Their front office is no longer an MVP front office.


======================================================================

Their back-up was incapable of turning in even a shadow of the job because
the entire scheme was built to Manning.
a backup can't do what he does, its not about a good arm and knowing the
plays.
Manning called the plays at the line. even Brady has plays sent in and he
then can adjust them,

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TOPIC: Maybe too obvious to notice?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/97aec8e6e892f2dd?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 5:06 pm
From: Señor Patriots


Maybe it's too obvious to notice that a QB (Alex Smith) whom the
consensus picked to be a bust years ago has suddenly become a model
citizen in a new system with a HC with whom he has developed
chemistry. I think the story is quite interesting because it makes me
wonder how many Alex Smiths we've seen over the years who failed
because they never got the right support.

Contrary to popular belief a good QB cannot carry a team on his
shoulders. The team has to provide support for the QB and then he can
act like he's carrying the team. But nobody is going to overcome a
bad HC (Singletary, et al) and perhaps a bad OC or bad OL.

Yes, no?

I find it interesting that a supposed bust is now at the helm of
perhaps the best team in the NFC. It sort of flies in the face of
football 101. I think the lesson is that a QB with a particular style
needs a HC/OC with a matching style or a complimentary style. They all
have to work as a unit and the success of one cannot be separated from
the success of the others. To me that's what is pathetic about people
who rate QBs according to their rings. So Brady has three and he must
be lesser than Montana because Montana had four, and he must be better
than Marino because Marino had none? I don't think it works that way
at all. There's a much bigger picture there.

Anyway, not to belabor the point but I think that there is a reason
why there are threads of discussion on the great QB-HC tandems in NFL
history. I think maybe it's a good idea to not separate them from one
another so quickly.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 5:31 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"

"Señor Patriots" <roaming13@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5b1fc4f1-6eac-4374-975e-971da1874945@i19g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

>
> Contrary to popular belief a good QB cannot carry a team on his
> shoulders. The team has to provide support for the QB and then he can
> act like he's carrying the team. But nobody is going to overcome a
> bad HC (Singletary, et al) and perhaps a bad OC or bad OL.
>
> Yes, no?
>


Peyton Manning shows a QB can carry a team.
the Same Dolts team which has been a treat to win it all now can't win
without Manning..
he clearly was that whole team.

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TOPIC: Kris Jenkins... Points to Schotty again...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/b5bec93615cd680b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 5:08 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com


On Monday, October 17, 2011 1:18:57 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> Link to article in NY Post
>
> http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/jenkins_super_bowl_out_of_the_question_S5yuOPKTL9LcEVKKJU367H
>
> From article above
>
>
> ""I think Schotty's on the hot seat right now."
>
> Does he deserve to be?
>
> "It's all about getting results," Jenkins said. "With all the weapons
> he has over there, he should be getting results and he's not""

This is the same Jenkins who actually got into an argument with his fellow expert analyst of the Jets offense by claiming Sanchez is a fourth-year QB ... and won!

:-)

If we are going to quote players speaking in the Post about this, why not quote some who actually, you know, attended at least one offense team meeting in their careers?

~~~~ NY Post 10/15 ~~~~~~~~

Brian Schottenheimer hears the noise. He's become accustomed to being the lightning rod when the Jets are not playing well...

Jets players have rushed to Schottenheimer's defense.

"It is not Schotty's fault, it's the players' fault," running back LaDainian Tomlinson said. "We've got to get the job done. [The criticism] is unfair, because Schotty is not the one who's out there throwing the ball, catching it, running it, blocking. He can't do any of that. All he can do is game plan for us and put us in the right positions and hopefully we execute."...

Right guard Brandon Moore said "fans don't understand" what goes on behind the scenes when they call out Schotteheimer.

"They don't get it, they don't know how hard this man works and the hours he puts in, what it takes to call plays in this league.

"He knows what he's doing," Moore said.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Jets players have rushed to Schottenheimer's defense."

What? What?? How come I never read such newspaper reports in this group?

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TOPIC: GREAT first series!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/16606d0e32fdae37?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 5:48 pm
From: Johnny Morongo


*NOT*


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 5:55 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:48:49 -0700, Johnny Morongo <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote:

>*NOT*

Come on, JM... just bad execution... ingenius daring play-selection.
I especially liked the 3rd-down play. 3rd & 5, and they send out 2 WRs.

And don't forget, Miami has th greatest D ever... so, we have to expect them to look that
way.

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TOPIC: Ping: Tutor
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:04 pm
From: "Ray O'Hara"


tell me that wasn't a gift, Revis held the guy the whole way and then
shoved him away befor making the interception.
talk about Referee making a home team call.

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TOPIC: Santonio throws Callahan under the bus.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:05 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:24:16 -0400, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT), Señor Patriots
>>
>>I did think the (Carl?) one description of the five wides and empty
>>backfield showed a deficient play call when all five receivers went
>>short. To me that makes no sense even if there isn't time. You have
>>to at least send somebody on that deep route to help create some space
>>underneath. So to me that's perhaps a legitimate blown call, but so
>>far there is no consensus that this is happening frequently or is the
>>core problem.
>
>It was a ludicrous call. It was 3rd and 6. That means 5 receivers all
>ran routes of 5 yards or less, which only created a traffic jam of
>offensive and defensive players in that whole area. Sanchez is lucky the
>ball wasn't picked off.
>
>>...
>>Maybe Holmes should be pitching in a little with some underneath
>>routes. We saw Moss do it in NE when they were dropped way off the
>>ball at the snap. And a guy like Holmes is dangerous after the
>>catch. Maybe he should quit bitching and start offering to help in
>>different ways. If they fail to find ways to get him the ball then
>>your offense cannot possibly be successful, so why not look at
>>different ways? I'm not saying run him underneath all day, but shit,
>>once in a while to keep everybody guessing and to move the chains
>>can't be so bad.
>
>Holmes is not averse to this. Some of the best passes Sanchez threw last
>year were slants to Holmes running across the middle about 7 or 8 yards
>downfield. Sanchez was hitting Santonio perfectly in stride then. I
>don't know what has happened to those plays. Maybe those were some of
>the routes Holmes was complaining about not being called anymore.

I'm not sure Sanchez can do it anymore... he looks absolutely spooked already.
He's been kept in a box by this offense, and been toasted by all the hits this season.
Instead of spreading the D, it seems most of the Jets O, takes place within 10-12 yards of
the LOS.

We have to hope the D can score a lot of points this season.
Unless of course, Rex gets it, & jettisons our OC after the next game... before the bye.

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TOPIC: Refs give Jets a free TD.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:03 pm
From: MuahMan


I guess Revis is allowed to tackle a receiver before the ball gets
there. Typical NY bullshit, can't earn it, so buy it.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:24 pm
From: "WaterBoy"

"MuahMan" <muahman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:045e4bf8-6f11-4b93-97e7-a62a657a5406@fk25g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>I guess Revis is allowed to tackle a receiver before the ball gets
> there. Typical NY bullshit, can't earn it, so buy it.

Thank god for that! The offense has a whopping 10 yard for the first
quarter. At least the Jets won't get shut out...

WaterBoy


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TOPIC: Awesome!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:15 pm
From: "WaterBoy"


Another 3 and out! Woot!!! On our way to give the phish their fist win...

WaterBoy

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TOPIC: The Jets D...
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:28 pm
From: buRford


Fascinating how bad the Jets D has been looking, these past few weeks.
I'm beginning to think that they're kinda losing their intensity, not sure why, but with
an O that does endless 3 & outs, I suspect it may be getting to them.

This O is just a total mess. And there seems to be a growing discontent among the
players, which may be infecting the D.
Amazing how, again, against a poor pass D, most of the passes are short.
Ingenius gameplan.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:31 pm
From: "WaterBoy"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message
news:balp97dairnv8r5qvhbd6eha7iv9csiiin@4ax.com...
> Fascinating how bad the Jets D has been looking, these past few weeks.
> I'm beginning to think that they're kinda losing their intensity, not sure
> why, but with
> an O that does endless 3 & outs, I suspect it may be getting to them.
>
> This O is just a total mess. And there seems to be a growing discontent
> among the
> players, which may be infecting the D.
> Amazing how, again, against a poor pass D, most of the passes are short.
> Ingenius gameplan.

Hmmm, you can add another 3 and out. That makes 4 in a row! Great game plan
against one of the worst teams in the league!

WaterBoy

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 7:06 pm
From: buRford


On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:28:34 -0400, buRford <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote:

>Fascinating how bad the Jets D has been looking, these past few weeks.
>I'm beginning to think that they're kinda losing their intensity, not sure why, but with
>an O that does endless 3 & outs, I suspect it may be getting to them.
>
>This O is just a total mess. And there seems to be a growing discontent among the
>players, which may be infecting the D.
>Amazing how, again, against a poor pass D, most of the passes are short.
>Ingenius gameplan.

Finally scored.
Again... at one point on the drive, Shonn started making yards, got a first down.
Immediately, he removed Greene, inserted LT who lost yards.
Other OCs tend to stick with what's working, but as a rule, Schott will always go away
from it immediately.

I'd still like to see the no-huddle, to get Sanchez into the his rhythm.
Most of us know this O isn't designed to best utilize players' talents, especially MS.
This O seems to be designed for a guy like Brunnell, who's I think already on Social
Security, and not very mobile.

With the bye coming up, what a great opportunity to release Schott, & temporarily elevate
Moore, or Callahan, for the rest of the season. It wouldn't be much of a continuity
issue, since they know the system... but it would bring some very fresh air, to this
stagnant, & extremely slow-paced offense.
The pace difference between the Jets O, & other Offenses is remarkable.
It's like week-old bread, compared to just out of the oven - - stale & lifeless.

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TOPIC: Who's worse Moore or Sanchez
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:43 pm
From: MuahMan


It's a toss up.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 6:51 pm
From: "mr dude@harvarduniversity.edu"


Pozo - hecho!!!!

mr dude (Muy feliz)

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TOPIC: Revis mugging non-call/int
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Oct 17 2011 8:47 pm
From: MuahMan


14 point swing courtesy of the refs. Refs call the obvious PI in the
endzone on that play the Dolphins win that game.


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