Saturday, October 22, 2011

[socialactionfoundationforequity:14401 Ms. Soni Sori allegedly tortured by Chhattisgarh police.

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Dear friend,
Yesterday, 22.10.2011 at about 4pm we Mr. Basudeb Ghatak, Editor Ekhan-Bisangbad, Mr. Subhasis Dutta Advocate, myself and others met Prof. (Dr.) S. C. Santra, MBBS, DGO, MS; Medical Superintendent cum Vice Principal of Nil Ratan Sarkar Medical College & Hospital, Kolkata regarding medical examination of Ms. Soni Sori to be held in the said hospital under order of apex court of India.
Our discussion was in good atmosphere. Prof. Santra, assured us that if Ms. Soni Sori is brought in that hospital and came to his due notice, he will act diligently and carefully.
 
Please look into the following memorandum submitted by us before him.
 

22nd October 2011

 

 

To

The Superintendent

NRS Medical College and Hospital

Kolkata

 

 

Sir,

 

We being a member of civil society and a prominent protestor against all forms of torture and indiscrimination want to draw your kind notice that we have received information that the Supreme Court directed the Chhattisgarh government to get Ms. Soni Sori, a tribal woman, treated in your hospital for the injuries she sustained in police custody.

 

We hope that you are already aware of the directives issued by the Supreme Court in this regard and the chances are likely that Ms. Soni Sori would be produced in your hospital soon by the police / authority of Chhattisgarh government.

 

It is matter of grave concern that Ms. Soni Sori whom you are going to examine has been allegedly tortured in police custody even by putting electric shock by the perpetrator police personnel. It seems that the court is primarily concerned with the seriousness of the allegation brought against the perpetrator police personnel of committing torture upon the victim in custody and the process has been commenced by the Hon'ble Court to search out the truthness of the allegations.

 

We understand that medical practitioner has a vital role to play to fight against all forms of torture by rendering help to the torture victims and give them actual confidence to fight against injustice by evaluating their physical and mental condition properly and recording the same correctly. We expect that you will read the following resolution adopted by the General Assembly, United Nations and Declaration of World Medical Assembly (Tokyo, Japan 1975) and pursuant to those international humanitarian laws, we hope that you will select due course of action while dealing with the examination of Ms. Soni Sori.

 

Principles of Medical Ethics relevant to the Role of Health Personnel, particularly Physicians, in the Protection of Prisoners and Detainees against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

Adopted by General Assembly resolution 37/194of 18 December 1982

Principle 1

Health personnel, particularly physicians, charged with the medical care of prisoners and detainees have a duty to provide them with protection of their physical and mental health and treatment of disease of the same quality and standard as is afforded to those who are not imprisoned or detained.  

Principle 2

It is a gross contravention of medical ethics, as well as an offence under applicable international instruments, for health personnel, particularly physicians, to engage, actively or passively, in acts which constitute participation in, complicity in, incitement to or attempts to commit torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Principle 4

It is a contravention of medical ethics for health personnel, particularly physicians:

(a) To apply their knowledge and skills in order to assist in the interrogation of prisoners and detainees in a manner that may adversely affect the physical or mental health or condition of such prisoners or detainees and which is not in accordance with the relevant international instruments;

(b) To certify, or to participate in the certification of, the fitness of prisoners or detainees for any form of treatment or punishment that may adversely affect their physical or mental health and which is not in accordance with the relevant international instruments, or to participate in any way in the infliction of any such treatment or punishment which is not in accordance with the relevant international instruments.

Principle 6

There may be no derogation from the foregoing principles on any ground whatsoever, including public emergency.

 

WMA Declaration of Tokyo - Guidelines for Physicians Concerning Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment in Relation to Detention and Imprisonment

Adopted by the 29th World Medical Assembly, Tokyo, Japan, October 1975
and editorially revised by the 170th WMA Council Session, Divonne-les-Bains, France, May 2005
and the 173rd WMA Council Session, Divonne-les-Bains, France, May 2006

DECLARATION

1.       The physician shall not countenance, condone or participate in the practice of torture or other forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading procedures, whatever the offense of which the victim of such procedures is suspected, accused or guilty, and whatever the victim's beliefs or motives, and in all situations, including armed conflict and civil strife.

2.       The physician shall not provide any premises, instruments, substances or knowledge to facilitate the practice of torture or other forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or to diminish the ability of the victim to resist such treatment.  

3.       When providing medical assistance to detainees or prisoners who are, or who could later be, under interrogation, physicians should be particularly careful to ensure the confidentiality of all personal medical information. A breach of the Geneva Conventions shall in any case be reported by the physician to relevant authorities.

The physician shall not use nor allow to be used, as far as he or she can, medical knowledge or skills, or health information specific to individuals, to facilitate or otherwise aid any interrogation, legal or illegal, of those individuals.

5.       A physician must have complete clinical independence in deciding upon the care of a person for whom he or she is medically responsible. The physician's fundamental role is to alleviate the distress of his or her fellow human beings, and no motive, whether personal, collective or political, shall prevail against this higher purpose.

 

 

 

We expect that Soni Sori would be examined by a team of medical experts including surgeon, gynecologist, psychiatrist and doctor having specialization on treating trauma patients in your hospital.

 

It is reported that Ms. Soni Sori is suffering from  "Contusion on Rt. Occipital region, Tenderness on Lumbar region", "Injury on occipital, contusion and tenderness", "Black … on plantar aspect of middle fingers (1+1) side", and other forms of bodily injuries and mental trauma.

 

In this context, I would request to your goodself to record statement / complaint of Ms. Soni Sori not in presence of police and when providing medical assistance to Ms. Soni Sori, physicians should be particularly careful to ensure the confidentiality

 

There is inbuilt guarantee under Articles 20(3), 21 and 23 of the Constitution of India against torture or assault by the State of its functionaries.

 

We hope that you would kindly take note of the above mentioned situation and the concern raised by us and shall act accordingly.

 

Thanking You,

 

Yours truly,

 

 

 

 

 

Kirity Roy

Secretary, MASUM

&

National Convenor, PACTI

 



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[socialactionfoundationforequity:14401 Kolkata hospital ordered to pay Rs. 1.77 crore for negligence

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Kolkata hospital ordered to pay Rs. 1.77 crore for negligence

J. Venkatesan

The National Consumer Disputes Redressal Commission (NCDRC) has asked AMRI hospital, Kolkata and three doctors to pay a compensation of Rs. 1.77 crore for medical negligence leading to the death of Anuradha Saha, wife of Kunal Saha, a U.S.-based Indian doctor.

Anuradha, a qualified child psychologist, died in the hospital on May 28, 1998 during a social visit to India after she suffered Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis, a rare and deadly disease. (TEN is an exfoliative dermatological disorder of unknown cause. A patient with TEN loses epidermis in sheet-like fashion leaving extensive areas or denuded dermis that must be treated like a large, superficial, partial-thickness burn wound.)

This compensation includes Rs. 41,90,000 each against AMRI Hospital and Dr. Sukumar Mukherjee and Rs. 26,93,000 each against Dr. Baidyanath Halder and Dr. Balaram Prasad.

The Supreme Court in 2009 found these three doctors and Dr. Abani Roychowdhury responsible for Anuradha's death and remanded this case back to the NCDRC only for determination of the quantum of compensation.

Since Dr. Roychowdhury died during the hearing of this case, the Commission deducted 25 per cent from this compensation. Further the Commission reduced 10 per cent for alleged interference by the complainant Dr. Kunal Saha in Anuradha's treatment.

Claim rejected

The Commission rejected Dr. Saha's claim for a total compensation of Rs. 97 crore and said “a complainant cannot be allowed to get undue enrichment by making a fortune out of a misfortune.”

It said: “The theoretical opinion/assessment made by a Foreign Expert as to the future income of a person and situation prevalent in that country cannot form a sound basis for determination of future income of such person and the Commission has to work out the income of the deceased having regard to her last income and future prospects in terms of the criteria laid down by the Supreme Court.”

Dr. Saha expressed disappointment and said: “In order to fight this enormous legal battle for the past more than 12 years staying in America, I have spent far more than the Rs. 1.77 crore that has been awarded by the NCDRC for the loss of a human life after this long-drawn legal battle.”

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/article2563845.ece

 

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 Yours in Global Concern,

 A.SANKAR

Executive Director- EMPOWER  INDIA - Centre for Consumer Education, Research and
Advocacy

Founder and General Secretary - Confederation of Indian Civil Society Organisation’s (CICSO)

National Convener- National Alliance for Health, Environment and Rights ( NAFHER)

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TUTICORIN-628 008, TN, INDIA

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[socialactionfoundationforequity:14401 NGOs can't be prevented from forming fact-finding teams: HC

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NGOs can't be prevented from forming fact-finding teams: HC

Mohamed Imranullah S.

 “Law has travelled a long distance from the confines of Cr.P.C.”

: Non-governmental organisations (NGOs) cannot be prevented from forming fact-finding teams to hold inquiries into violent incidents on the sole ground that it would amount to conducting a parallel inquiry when the issue concerned was sub-judice or under the scrutiny of a judicial commission, the Madras High Court Bench here has ruled.

Justice V. Ramasubramanian passed the ruling while dismissing a writ petition filed by a police inspector seeking a direction to ban a public inquiry organised by a group of NGOs under the chairmanship of retired Bombay High Court Judge H. Suresh to probe into incidents that led to police firing in Paramakudi, Ilayangudi and Madurai on September 11.

“The law has travelled a long distance, in the past few decades, from the confines of the Code of Criminal Procedure. Traditionally, the Cr.P.C. knew of only one investigation by the Station House Officer. Today, law has recognised several types of parallel enquiries, apart from the investigation that could be conducted in terms of the Code of Criminal Procedure.

“For instance, parallel enquiries by various Commissions such as the National/State Human Rights Commissions, National Commission for Women, National Commission for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes and the like, have come to be recognised by law itself. Apart from these… we have come to a stage where Special Investigation Teams were constituted in a few cases which have come to be monitored by the Courts themselves at least up to the stage of filing of final reports.

“Even International Organisations, which have a conflict-resolving or a peace-keeping mandate or which deal with human rights problems, today possess an implied power to establish ad hoc fact-finding bodies. Ever since World War II, the international community has grown increasingly towards the development of a system of international jurisdiction, complementary to that of domestic courts, even to try people accused of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity,” the judge said. He recalled that the Armed Conflict in Balkans led the United Nations to set up an International Criminal Tribunal in The Hague, The Netherlands. Thereafter, Special Courts were set up to prosecute domestic and international crimes in places like Kosovo, Bosnia, East Timor, Sierra Leone, Cambodia and recently in Lebanon.

Even International Organisations such as Amnesty International go on fact-finding missions. Ever since 1967, the United Nations Commission on Human Rights had established several fact-finding bodies. The Editors Guild of India itself had sent a fact-finding mission to Gujarat in the aftermath of the communal riots that took place in February 2002.

“Therefore, the argument that there cannot be a parallel inquiry by a non-governmental organisation, cannot be accepted,” the judge said. However, the conclusions reached by the fact finding committees were not binding on any authority including the courts which would be carried away only by the evidence let in before it and not by the conclusions of fact finding teams appearing in newspaper reports.

The fact-finding team which has been constituted under the banner of Action Committee against Paramkudi Police Firing in the present case cannot even compel the petitioner P. Sivakumar, who was the Inspector of Paramakudi at the time of firing, to appear and testify before it. “Therefore, the petitioner cannot be said to be aggrieved by the exercise undertaken by the Action Committee,” the judge concluded.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/article2564399.ece

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 Yours in Global Concern,

 A.SANKAR

Executive Director- EMPOWER  INDIA - Professional Civil Society Organisation

Founder and General Secretary - Confederation of Indian Civil Society Organisation’s (CICSO)

National Convener- National Alliance for Health, Environment and Rights ( NAFHER)

107J / 133E, Millerpuram

TUTICORIN-628 008, TN, INDIA

Telefax: 91 461 2310151; Mobile:   91 94431 48599: www.empowerindia.org

 

 

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rec.bicycles.racing - 25 new messages in 6 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Estimating drag without a power meter - 10 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dcbc65d211b6d8fd?hl=en
* Time to start thinking about the TdF again. - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Où est Lance? - 2 messages, 1 author
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* It's a Tour Baby! - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dde6000142927096?hl=en
* General Motors wants you to stop riding your god damn bike - 6 messages, 5
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/62978f4f8618bd6c?hl=en
* Monsieur Papp. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/e664ca0691801186?hl=en

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TOPIC: Estimating drag without a power meter
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/t/dcbc65d211b6d8fd?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 21 2011 10:23 pm
From: RicodJour


On Oct 21, 11:09 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 2:00 am, "Fred on a stick" <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > Here are speed data from two coastdowns I did a couple of days ago. The
> > speeds are in km/h at one second intervals. As I said, these were coast
> > downs so power, of course, was zero. I forgot to weigh myself and the bike
> > when I got home so I'm guessing the all-everything mass to be around 86 kg.
> > I didn't measure air density but I'm thinking it must be around 1.17 kg/m^3.
> > And the total drop from entry to exit of the test section was about 5
> > meters. Besides not measuring my mass or the air density, there was a tiny
> > amount of wind in my face during the test runs -- but let's ignore all those
> > problems and simply assume wind was zero and everything was exactly as noted
> > above.
>
> > Run 1:
> > 15.2 15.8 16.3 16.9 16.9 17.4 17.7 18.1 18.5 18.9 18.6 17.9 17.9 18.6 19.7
> > 20.0 20.9 21.6 22.5 22.5 23.4 23.7 23.5 24.3 25.1 25.7 26.0 25.6 25.3 24.6
> > 24.2 23.9 23.5 23.1 22.9 22.6 22.3 22.3 22.0 21.9 21.7 21.8 21.4 20.7 20.9
>
> > Run 2:
> > 26.6 26.6 26.6 26.5 26.6 26.8 26.1 25.4 25.6 26.3 26.8 27.3 27.9 28.4 29.1
> > 28.7 29.6 29.8 30.6 30.3 29.7 29.2 28.7 28.3 27.4 27.2 26.7 26.1 25.8 25.5
> > 25.3 25.0 24.5 24.2 23.9
>
> > Here's the challenge: based on these data, estimate my CdA and Crr. Show
> > your work, and state any additional assumptions you may need.
>
> > This was on my commuter bike and I was wearing street clothes so don't give
> > me crap about my drag numbers.
>
> > Bonus question: it's easy to figure out the average slope over the test
> > section. What was the maximum slope (nearest 0.1% is okay)?
>
> The required formulae are in my article
> "How a cyclist can discover his horsepower and Cd with no tools except
> his bike and a road, and use the information to improve his
> performance"
> at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20TECH%20--%20basic%20cyc...

I'm not good with formul-a, or even formul-b. Be a sport and just use
Fred's data to show everyone how it's done.

I asked politely. Now you have to. It's the law.

R
Chief Wheedler


== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 8:41 am
From: Dan O


On Oct 21, 10:23 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 11:09 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 20, 2:00 am, "Fred on a stick" <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > > Here are speed data from two coastdowns I did a couple of days ago. The
> > > speeds are in km/h at one second intervals. As I said, these were coast
> > > downs so power, of course, was zero. I forgot to weigh myself and the bike
> > > when I got home so I'm guessing the all-everything mass to be around 86 kg.
> > > I didn't measure air density but I'm thinking it must be around 1.17 kg/m^3.
> > > And the total drop from entry to exit of the test section was about 5
> > > meters. Besides not measuring my mass or the air density, there was a tiny
> > > amount of wind in my face during the test runs -- but let's ignore all those
> > > problems and simply assume wind was zero and everything was exactly as noted
> > > above.
>
> > > Run 1:
> > > 15.2 15.8 16.3 16.9 16.9 17.4 17.7 18.1 18.5 18.9 18.6 17.9 17.9 18.6 19.7
> > > 20.0 20.9 21.6 22.5 22.5 23.4 23.7 23.5 24.3 25.1 25.7 26.0 25.6 25.3 24.6
> > > 24.2 23.9 23.5 23.1 22.9 22.6 22.3 22.3 22.0 21.9 21.7 21.8 21.4 20.7 20.9
>
> > > Run 2:
> > > 26.6 26.6 26.6 26.5 26.6 26.8 26.1 25.4 25.6 26.3 26.8 27.3 27.9 28.4 29.1
> > > 28.7 29.6 29.8 30.6 30.3 29.7 29.2 28.7 28.3 27.4 27.2 26.7 26.1 25.8 25.5
> > > 25.3 25.0 24.5 24.2 23.9
>
> > > Here's the challenge: based on these data, estimate my CdA and Crr. Show
> > > your work, and state any additional assumptions you may need.
>
> > > This was on my commuter bike and I was wearing street clothes so don't give
> > > me crap about my drag numbers.
>
> > > Bonus question: it's easy to figure out the average slope over the test
> > > section. What was the maximum slope (nearest 0.1% is okay)?
>
> > The required formulae are in my article
> > "How a cyclist can discover his horsepower and Cd with no tools except
> > his bike and a road, and use the information to improve his
> > performance"
> > athttp://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20TECH%20--%20basic%20cyc...
>
> I'm not good with formul-a, or even formul-b. Be a sport and just use
> Fred's data to show everyone how it's done.
>

Sorry, I didn't understand the strings of numbers and what they mean
or their units, etc. - I guess it's supposed to fit some template that
serious bicycle racers all know and use when they get tired of
"training".

If I was racing, and wanted to win races, I just wouldn't coast hardly
at all - except on the steeper descents.

> I asked politely. Now you have to. It's the law.
>

I don't stop at stop signs, either.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 9:34 am
From: RicodJour


On Oct 22, 11:41 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 10:23 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 11:09 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 20, "Fred on a stick" <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > Here are speed data from two coastdowns I did a couple of days ago. The
> > > > speeds are in km/h at one second intervals. As I said, these were coast
> > > > downs so power, of course, was zero. I forgot to weigh myself and the bike
> > > > when I got home so I'm guessing the all-everything mass to be around 86 kg.
> > > > I didn't measure air density but I'm thinking it must be around 1.17 kg/m^3.
> > > > And the total drop from entry to exit of the test section was about 5
> > > > meters. Besides not measuring my mass or the air density, there was a tiny
> > > > amount of wind in my face during the test runs -- but let's ignore all those
> > > > problems and simply assume wind was zero and everything was exactly as noted
> > > > above.
>
> > > > Run 1:
> > > > 15.2 15.8 16.3 16.9 16.9 17.4 17.7 18.1 18.5 18.9 18.6 17.9 17.9 18.6 19.7
> > > > 20.0 20.9 21.6 22.5 22.5 23.4 23.7 23.5 24.3 25.1 25.7 26.0 25.6 25.3 24.6
> > > > 24.2 23.9 23.5 23.1 22.9 22.6 22.3 22.3 22.0 21.9 21.7 21.8 21.4 20.7 20.9
>
> > > > Run 2:
> > > > 26.6 26.6 26.6 26.5 26.6 26.8 26.1 25.4 25.6 26.3 26.8 27.3 27.9 28.4 29.1
> > > > 28.7 29.6 29.8 30.6 30.3 29.7 29.2 28.7 28.3 27.4 27.2 26.7 26.1 25.8 25.5
> > > > 25.3 25.0 24.5 24.2 23.9
>
> > > > Here's the challenge: based on these data, estimate my CdA and Crr. Show
> > > > your work, and state any additional assumptions you may need.
>
> > > > This was on my commuter bike and I was wearing street clothes so don't give
> > > > me crap about my drag numbers.
>
> > > > Bonus question: it's easy to figure out the average slope over the test
> > > > section. What was the maximum slope (nearest 0.1% is okay)?
>
> > > The required formulae are in my article
> > > "How a cyclist can discover his horsepower and Cd with no tools except
> > > his bike and a road, and use the information to improve his
> > > performance"
> > > athttp://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/BICYCLE%20TECH%20--%20basic%20cyc...
>
> > I'm not good with formul-a, or even formul-b. Be a sport and just use
> > Fred's data to show everyone how it's done.
>
> Sorry, I didn't understand the strings of numbers and what they mean
> or their units, etc. - I guess it's supposed to fit some template that
> serious bicycle racers all know and use when they get tired of
> "training".

FOAS mentioned the units earlier in the post. I like the strings of
numbers because they're easier to ignore than a single number.

> If I was racing, and wanted to win races, I just wouldn't coast hardly
> at all - except on the steeper descents.

I was responding to he that be Jute, but I don't think FOAS is looking
to win races on his commuter. I think he's asking for assistance in
his exercise in futility. ;) As if no one else here has ever done
that.

> > I asked politely. Now you have to. It's the law.
>
> I don't stop at stop signs, either.

It's okay. I'm sure you've found an equally slippery way around that
pesky transfer of momentum thing. ;)

R


== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 10:11 am
From: "Fred on a stick"


RicodJour wrote:

> I was responding to he that be Jute, but I don't think FOAS is looking
> to win races on his commuter. I think he's asking for assistance in
> his exercise in futility. ;) As if no one else here has ever done
> that.

Actually, no, I was looking for entertainment. Maybe assistance in my
entertainment but that sounds kind of sordid and, now that I think of it,
intriguing.

Anyway, I already calculated the CdA and Crr from these data.


== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 10:52 am
From: thirty-six


On Oct 22, 6:11 pm, "Fred on a stick"
<anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > I was responding to he that be Jute, but I don't think FOAS is looking
> > to win races on his commuter.  I think he's asking for assistance in
> > his exercise in futility.  ;)  As if no one else here has ever done
> > that.
>
> Actually, no, I was looking for entertainment. Maybe assistance in my
> entertainment but that sounds kind of sordid and, now that I think of it,
> intriguing.
>
> Anyway, I already calculated the CdA and Crr from these data.

Do it again after a bottle of whisky.


== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 1:30 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Oct 22, 10:11 am, "Fred on a stick"
<anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > I was responding to he that be Jute, but I don't think FOAS is looking
> > to win races on his commuter.  I think he's asking for assistance in
> > his exercise in futility.  ;)  As if no one else here has ever done
> > that.
>
> Actually, no, I was looking for entertainment. Maybe assistance in my
> entertainment but that sounds kind of sordid and, now that I think of it,
> intriguing.
>
> Anyway, I already calculated the CdA and Crr from these data.

Your CdA is 0.36 m^2 ( +/- 0.09 or so), your Crr is 0.0065,
and the maximum slope on the course is 0.00 or 0%, although
I don't know how you expected anyone to calculate it to
0.1% with data of this quality.

Thanks,
Fredmaster Ben


== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 5:05 pm
From: "Fred on a stick"


Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:

> Your CdA is 0.36 m^2 ( +/- 0.09 or so), your Crr is 0.0065,
> and the maximum slope on the course is 0.00 or 0%, although
> I don't know how you expected anyone to calculate it to
> 0.1% with data of this quality.

Killjoy. There are lots of problems with the data (as I noted) but if we
take them as given you get an exact solution for CdA and Crr, and for the
slopes. I just meant that I didn't need to see a number for slope
like -4.1234567%.


== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 6:26 pm
From: Fredmaster of Brainerd


On Oct 22, 5:05 pm, "Fred on a stick"
<anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> > Your CdA is 0.36 m^2 ( +/- 0.09 or so), your Crr is 0.0065,
> > and the maximum slope on the course is 0.00 or 0%, although
> > I don't know how you expected anyone to calculate it to
> > 0.1% with data of this quality.
>
> Killjoy. There are lots of problems with the data (as I noted)

I didn't mean that as an insult to the data. It seems about
as good as one should expect to get with bicycle-computer
type instrumentation and in the presence of real world
effects (small but variable wind, etc).

> but if we
> take them as given you get an exact solution for CdA and Crr, and for the
> slopes. I just meant that I didn't need to see a number for slope
> like -4.1234567%.

"Exact solution"

I don't know what this term means [*],
can you explain it further?

[*] in the context of fitting a model to data that include
real world effects: wind, digitization noise, etc.

The way I did it is probably not ideal (differentiating and
integrating the velocity time series); it's not explicitly
fitting a model, although there is a model implied of
course. It yields a large number of noisy estimates
of CdA which have to be averaged over to get a value
and error estimate, which IMO is more useful than an
exact solution. Presumably any method that yields a
single number should then allow you to calculate
residuals off the model, from which an error estimate
could be backed out, in some non-trivial way.

Fredmaster Ben


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 7:11 pm
From: Andre Jute


On Oct 23, 2:26 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 22, 5:05 pm, "Fred on a stick"
>
> <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
> > > Your CdA is 0.36 m^2 ( +/- 0.09 or so), your Crr is 0.0065,
> > > and the maximum slope on the course is 0.00 or 0%, although
> > > I don't know how you expected anyone to calculate it to
> > > 0.1% with data of this quality.
>
> > Killjoy. There are lots of problems with the data (as I noted)
>
> I didn't mean that as an insult to the data.  It seems about
> as good as one should expect to get with bicycle-computer
> type instrumentation and in the presence of real world
> effects (small but variable wind, etc).
>
> > but if we
> > take them as given you get an exact solution for CdA and Crr, and for the
> > slopes. I just meant that I didn't need to see a number for slope
> > like -4.1234567%.
>
> "Exact solution"
>
> I don't know what this term means [*],
> can you explain it further?
>
> [*] in the context of fitting a model to data that include
> real world effects: wind, digitization noise, etc.
>
> The way I did it is probably not ideal (differentiating and
> integrating the velocity time series); it's not explicitly
> fitting a model, although there is a model implied of
> course.  It yields a large number of noisy estimates
> of CdA which have to be averaged over to get a value
> and error estimate, which IMO is more useful than an
> exact solution.  Presumably any method that yields a
> single number should then allow you to calculate
> residuals off the model, from which an error estimate
> could be backed out, in some non-trivial way.
>
> Fredmaster Ben

You buncha spoilsports! Rico was going to show me how to do it... Now
I'll never know.


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 7:20 pm
From: RicodJour


On Oct 22, 10:11 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 23, 2:26 am, Fredmaster of Brainerd <bjwei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 22, "Fred on a stick" <anonymous.cow...@address.invalid> wrote:
> > > Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
>
> > > > Your CdA is 0.36 m^2 ( +/- 0.09 or so), your Crr is 0.0065,
> > > > and the maximum slope on the course is 0.00 or 0%, although
> > > > I don't know how you expected anyone to calculate it to
> > > > 0.1% with data of this quality.
>
> > > Killjoy. There are lots of problems with the data (as I noted)
>
> > I didn't mean that as an insult to the data. It seems about
> > as good as one should expect to get with bicycle-computer
> > type instrumentation and in the presence of real world
> > effects (small but variable wind, etc).
>
> > > but if we
> > > take them as given you get an exact solution for CdA and Crr, and for the
> > > slopes. I just meant that I didn't need to see a number for slope
> > > like -4.1234567%.
>
> > "Exact solution"
>
> > I don't know what this term means [*],
> > can you explain it further?
>
> > [*] in the context of fitting a model to data that include
> > real world effects: wind, digitization noise, etc.
>
> > The way I did it is probably not ideal (differentiating and
> > integrating the velocity time series); it's not explicitly
> > fitting a model, although there is a model implied of
> > course. It yields a large number of noisy estimates
> > of CdA which have to be averaged over to get a value
> > and error estimate, which IMO is more useful than an
> > exact solution. Presumably any method that yields a
> > single number should then allow you to calculate
> > residuals off the model, from which an error estimate
> > could be backed out, in some non-trivial way.
>
> > Fredmaster Ben
>
> You buncha spoilsports! Rico was going to show me how to do it... Now
> I'll never know.

Encourage commuters?! What, are you nuts? FOAS' bike probably has
_fenders_!

Besides, you're the one with the formul-A. The Pope never misses a
chance to pontificate, I figured you'd be the same. :)~

The only times I ran were when a coach was yelling at me or I was
being chased. Numbers are like that - I only touch them under
duress. They're antiquated and unnecessary in a modern world.

If I need to go faster I buy a new bike. The carbon fiber gremlins do
the calculations for me. It's a formul-A, but it works!

R

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 2:26 am
From: Simply Fred


atriage wrote:
> One of these, it had a nice garage big enough to get a couple of
> bicycles and a windsurf board in plus generator and sundry other bits
> and pieces. A big bathroom and a good gas fired water and interior
> heating system with blown air. It has a pretty well equipped kitchen and
> lots of storage and a big bed over the garage. It's main disadvantage is
> it's not really a socialising van with limited seating space, 4 people
> is a crowd in there. It's 7 meters long, big by European standards, tiny
> by American ones but on European roads it's about as big as is
> practical. The 2.4 liter Ford turbo diesel engine gives good mileage,
> important in Europe where diesel fuel is twice the price of the USA.

Its the suspension and shocks you need to be concerned about when you've
got hot rbr groupie chicks following you around
<http://www.zazzle.com/if_the_trailers_a_rockin_dont_bother_knock_bumper_sticker-128798371323259009>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 2:28 am
From: Simply Fred


BL wrote:
>>> ROTFLMAO!!!! Soon.

Simply Fred wrote:
>> On a geological time scale.

atriage wrote:
> Hmm, even that might be pushing it a bit.

I have it on good authority that the meteorite that wiped out the
dinosaurs struck on a Tuesday.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 2:42 am
From: Simply Fred


atriage wrote:
> Floyd's co-conspiritors are a former agent with French spy agency DGSE,
> a self-taught hacker and a former paratrooper. Must be the three
> musketeers then.

Dumas wrote the script and the soundtrack is by Kid Rock.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 7:46 am
From: RicodJour


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2052126/Its-Tour-baby-Page-Three-model-Peta-Todd-reveals-expecting-cycling-champion-Mark-Cavendishs-child.html

He's a weasel. A fast weasel, but still a weasel.

R


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 10:29 am
From: atriage


On 22/10/2011 15:46, RicodJour wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2052126/Its-Tour-baby-Page-Three-model-Peta-Todd-reveals-expecting-cycling-champion-Mark-Cavendishs-child.html
>
> He's a weasel. The fastest weasel on earth with a million dollar bank balance and a model girlfriend but still a weasel.
>
Fixed yer post, no need to thank me, it's a free service.


--


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 11:19 am
From: RicodJour


On Oct 22, 1:29 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 22/10/2011 15:46, RicodJour wrote:>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2052126/Its-Tour-baby-Pa...
>
> > He's a weasel. The fastest weasel on earth with a million dollar bank balance and a model girlfriend but still a weasel.
>
> Fixed yer post, no need to thank me, it's a free service.

No problem. It's the only reason I posted it.

Now, for a more realistic prediction, I'm guessing the marriage lasts
about...five to six years and she'll take half the money. If he'd
married his longtime childhood sweetheart, the marriage would have
probably lasted...no. Who am I kidding? He's still just a weasel. A
fast weasel.

R


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 11:44 am
From: atriage


On 22/10/2011 19:19, RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 22, 1:29 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>> On 22/10/2011 15:46, RicodJour wrote:>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2052126/Its-Tour-baby-Pa...
>>
>>> He's a weasel. The fastest weasel on earth with a million dollar bank balance and a model girlfriend but still a weasel.
>>
>> Fixed yer post, no need to thank me, it's a free service.
>
> No problem. It's the only reason I posted it.
>
> Now, for a more realistic prediction, I'm guessing the marriage lasts
> about...five to six years

Fucking optimist.

> and she'll take half the money.

At least.

> If he'd
> married his longtime childhood sweetheart, the marriage would have
> probably lasted...no. Who am I kidding? He's still just a weasel. A
> fast weasel.
>

Didn't we cover that bit before?

--


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 5:48 pm
From: RicodJour


On Oct 22, 2:44 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 22/10/2011 19:19, RicodJour wrote:
>
> > On Oct 22, 1:29 pm, atriage<atri...@satriage.net>  wrote:
> >> On 22/10/2011 15:46, RicodJour wrote:>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2052126/Its-Tour-baby-Pa...
>
> >>> He's a weasel. The fastest weasel on earth with a million dollar bank balance and a model girlfriend but still a weasel.
>
> >> Fixed yer post, no need to thank me, it's a free service.
>
> > No problem.  It's the only reason I posted it.
>
> > Now, for a more realistic prediction, I'm guessing the marriage lasts
> > about...five to six years
>
> Fucking optimist.
>
> > and she'll take half the money.
>
> At least.
>
> > If he'd
> > married his longtime childhood sweetheart, the marriage would have
> > probably lasted...no.  Who am I kidding?  He's still just a weasel.  A
> > fast weasel.
>
> Didn't we cover that bit before?

Would you prefer that we go back to the LANCE and doping loop?

Thought not. ;)

R

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 9:09 am
From: nmp


RicodJour wrote:
> Anton Berlin wrote:

>> Reality sucks
>
> Now you know.

Reality is an illusion caused by alcohol deficiency.


== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 9:53 am
From: RicodJour


On Oct 22, 12:09 pm, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > Anton Berlin wrote:
> >> Reality sucks
>
> > Now you know.
>
> Reality is an illusion caused by alcohol deficiency.

I think it was Plato who said much the same thing, referring to
reality and shadows projectile-vomiting on the walls, or something
like that.

R


== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 12:14 pm
From: Anton Berlin


On Oct 22, 1:13 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 3:59 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Reality sucks
>
> >http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/general-motors-anti-bicycling-advertis...
>
> Try to keep up. That scandal played out last week. No one cares (or
> cared).

I''ve been traveling through europe and missed the thread


== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 12:38 pm
From: atriage


On 22/10/2011 20:14, Anton Berlin wrote:
> On Oct 22, 1:13 am, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 21, 3:59 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Reality sucks
>>
>>> http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/general-motors-anti-bicycling-advertis...
>>
>> Try to keep up. That scandal played out last week. No one cares (or
>> cared).
>
> I''ve been traveling through europe and missed the thread

Is that why your apostrophes have been breeding?

--


== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 5:46 pm
From: RicodJour


On Oct 22, 3:38 pm, atriage <atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
> On 22/10/2011 20:14, Anton Berlin wrote:
> > On Oct 22, 1:13 am, Scott<hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com>  wrote:
> >> On Oct 21, 3:59 pm, Anton Berlin<truth_88...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> Reality sucks
>
> >>>http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/general-motors-anti-bicycling-advertis...
>
> >> Try to keep up. That scandal played out last week. No one cares (or
> >> cared).
>
> > I''ve been traveling through europe and missed the thread
>
> Is that why your apostrophes have been breeding?

That is a quote mark, not a pair of postrophe. It should read:
"I"ve been traveling...

Which is an inverted from of The Royal We. That is Anton's way of
letting us know that he has company...or his multiple personalities
are back.

R


== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 6:11 pm
From: Scott


On Oct 22, 1:14 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 22, 1:13 am, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 21, 3:59 pm, Anton Berlin <truth_88...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Reality sucks
>
> > >http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/general-motors-anti-bicycling-advertis...
>
> > Try to keep up. That scandal played out last week. No one cares (or
> > cared).
>
> I''ve been traveling through europe and missed the thread

Still... no one cares.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Oct 22 2011 10:05 am
From: Fred Flintstein


On 10/21/2011 10:45 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
> On Oct 21, 10:49 am, atriage<atri...@satriage.net> wrote:
>> He's been cooperating so only gets an 8 year ban.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/papp-receives-eight-year-suspension-f...
>> --
>
> So, Papp can do fatty masters races when his ban expires, and expand
> his customer base.

Papp can sell dope to anyone he damn well pleases, except
for bike racers. I don't know how much clearer I can
make that.

Travis "Doping is only a problem for po' folks" Tygart


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Date: 2011/10/22
Subject: Re: UK Requirement - Microsoft paying
To: intakhab alam <intakhab.pharma@gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:38 AM, intakhab alam <intakhab.pharma@gmail.com> wrote:


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From: quazi aftab <quaziaftab@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: UK Requirement - Microsoft paying
To: khan haider <ghkhan.pharm@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:10 AM
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Guys It's working

I have got $10000 .

Deepak


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I got 450 $ credited in my HDFC account today only. Yahooooooooooooooooooo!!! hurreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Regards,
Apurv Gangwar

Cognizant Technology Solutions
Vnet: 55269


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Hai this is not joke i got 4672$ credited in my ICICI account last week

Frnds I got $2163 today only..
So I am forwading to u frnds
Don't miss this chance

Regards,
Sathish kumar.
Vnet - 56639


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I got $9386. Was shocked!!!
Hey!!!!!! Am not joking..................
This really works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: UK Requirement
Dear Shiva n
This is really amazing I also got 5000 dollars via DD from HDFC, thot it was fake but it really worked..........the amount has been created to my account, what did you get.
Thanks for forwarding this mail

Amit Midha
Front Office Manager
The Trident Hilton
Opposite Jalmahal
Jaipur - 302002

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I got $12,101 credited with this months salary, that is why I am sending this to you guys. I am almost going mad. Planning to quit TCS and start a new company.. You guys can join hands. What to say yarr????


Love,
Ajay Joy
Tata Consultancy Services Limited
----- Forwarded by Ajay Joy/CHN/TCS on 09/02/2005 05: 09 PM -----

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-----Original Message-----
From: Praharsh
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: RE: UK Requirement


Hey guys !!!
this is cool
really really cooollllll
I forwarded this mail to three chaps just half an hour back and i just forgot about it..
then i saw my salary slip, checked my account in the net.
i was wonder stuck to see $30000/- added to my account !! transferred from ms office thru western money transfer !!!
its amazing guys !!!
Go for it.
Act fast. at least before this stupid bill gates gets bankrupt...........
and in case this is true, there is not much time left......
so congratulations in advance.....
for becoming a millionair so easily...
like me.......

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Subject: RE: UK Requirement
Hey dudes and dudettes.......this is truly amazing.........I got $12,545 a few weeks back.......it indeed works.....and hope it works out for all of u..................for details contact me...........

Thnks & Rgds,

Dinesh.


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Subject: FW: UK Requirement
Importance: High

Hi,
I got $9386. Was shocked!!! This is cool.
Please forward...

Regards
Ajay

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From: Naveen Kumar Gupta
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:02 PM
Subject: RE: UK Requirement

I have also gotten 34271$ cheque last week for the same knid of mail.You can also try your luck
J


Thanks,
Naveen Gupta.
Extn: 9256


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From: Ashish Gangwar
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: UK Requirement

I have gotten 17934$ cheque some time ago for the same kind of mail. You can also try your luck J

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From: Rashmi G. S
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: Microsoft -Don\'t miss this chance....

Hey its really working..

Its not a joke.
Really amazing !!!

I have got $10002 !!!!

Isn't tat coooolll !!!!

Rashmi
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