[socialactionfoundationforequity:14463 Study links regular religious service attendance, outlook on life

Study links regular religious service attendance, outlook on life
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/10/study-links-regular-religious-service-attendance-outlook-on-life/

By Gabe LaMonica, CNN
November 10th, 2011

(CNN) - A new study shows that attending religious services regularly
can mean a more optimistic, less depressed, and less cynical outlook
on life.

In a follow-up to its 2008 report that found that attending services
increases life expectancy, the Women's Health Initiative observational
study based this report on a survey of 92,539 post-menopausal women
over 50. The participants made up an ethnically, religiously, and
socioeconomically diverse group.

According to the report, to be published this week in the Journal of
Religion and Health, those who attend services frequently were 56%
more likely to have an optimistic life outlook than those who don't
and were 27% less likely to be depressed. Those who attended weekly
were less likely to be characterized by cynical hostility, compared
with those who did not report any religious service attendance.

"We looked at a number of psychological factors; optimism, depression,
cynical hostility, and a number of subcategories and subscales
involving social support and social strain," said Eliezer Schnall an
associate professor of psychology at Yeshiva University in Manhattan,
who headed the initiative.

"The link between religious activity and health is most evident in
women, specifically older women," he said.

The research focused on an important group, because "as they are
living longer," Schnall said, "seniors are a growing group, and women
have longer lifespans than men."

The study, funded by the National Heart, Blood, and Lung Institute,
National Institutes of Health, and the U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services, "unlike many other previous studies," said Schnall,
broke down the idea of positive social support into subcategories.

Emotional support and informational support, such as sitting down with
a priest or a rabbi to speak about difficulties; tangible support,
like someone driving a participant to a doctor; affectionate support;
and positive interaction were all examined in the initiative.

"There's evidence from other studies to suggest religious involvement
may be particularly important in enhancing social interaction,"
Schnall said.

But a "relatively new thought in the field," according to Schnall,
called "social strain," encompasses negative social support. The
hypothesis is that, "though some studies have suggested that attending
religious services is beneficial in a host of ways, there also comes
with it a social strain."

Though there has been much discussion around this "new area of
inquiry," Schnall said, "I certainly believe, or to my knowledge, we
are the first to look at this construct," social strain.

The researchers identified social strain by asking questions like:
- "Of the people that are important to you, how many get on your
nerves?"
- "Of the people who are important to you, how many ask too much of
you?
- And, "of the people who are important to you, how many try to get
you to do things that you do not want to do?"

"We did not find that those who attend religious services where
characterized by additional social strain," Schnall said.

To identify optimism, he said, participants were asked to rated the
following questions on a five-point scale ranging from strongly
disagree to strongly agree:
- "In unclear times I usually expect the best,"
- "If something can go wrong for me, it will,"
- "I hardly ever expect things to go my way."

Optimism is "about perceived control ... positive expectations ...
empowerment, a fighting spirit, lack of helplessness - those are
general definitions," Schnall said.

He conceded people could take a different message from the survey's
results. "Someone who really wanted to take issue with the study"
could say the results came out the way they did "maybe because
optimists are drawn to believe in the divine."

--
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Re: Medarticles SEVERAL Papers Needed

All articles attached, plz find enclosed.

 

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From: Reinaldo <reinaldo.cano@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Medarticles SEVERAL Papers Needed

Can I  get these papers

Thanks,

Rei

2011/11/10 Pranab Chatterjee <pranab@pranab.in>:
> Thanks! :-)
> Folks, some help with the rest please???
> Cheers,
> Pranab
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Parijat Kanetkar
> <parijatkanetkar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> SD article is attached
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> -pvk
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Pranab Chatterjee <pranab@pranab.in>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I know it is not proper to ask for more than 2/3 papers at one go, but
>>> right now I have hit SO many paywalls, that whatever you can send will be
>>> like Manna from heaven for me. Here goes the list:
>>>
>>> 1.  Surgery Volume 126, Issue 1 , Pages 78-82, July 1999
>>> Beyond the Trendelenburg position: Friedrich Trendelenburg's life and
>>> surgical contributions
>>> http://www.surgjournal.com/article/S0039-6060(99)00167-1/abstract
>>>
>>> 2. Beyond the Trendelenburg position: Friedrich Trendelenburg's life and
>>> surgical contributions
>>> doi:10.1067/msy.1999.98735
>>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0039606099001671
>>> 3. Friedrich Trendelenburg (1844–1924) Resuscitation Volume 45, Issue 3 ,
>>> Pages 157-159, 1 August 2000
>>>
>>> http://www.resuscitationjournal.com/article/S0300-9572(00)00228-8/abstract
>>>
>>> 4. http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/207/6/1143.extract
>>>
>>> Friedrich Trendelenburg (1844-1924) Trendelenburg's Position
>>>
>>> JAMA.1969;207(6):1143-1144. doi:10.1001/jama.1969.03150190065019
>>> Looking forwards to your prompt assistance as always.
>>> Regards,
>>> Pranab
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* Will the NY Jets make the playoffs this year? - 6 messages, 4 authors
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TOPIC: Will the NY Jets make the playoffs this year?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/80a11420d0490ef9?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 9 2011 10:54 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

<oldnasty@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:14039184.800.1320903958742.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbak12...
On Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:42:30 AM UTC-5, MacUser wrote:
> Yes the Jets are playing better, thank goodness. But I am still
> wondering if the only way the Jets make the playoffs is to win the AFC
> East? That being said, I am still not sure if a 10-6 record is enough
> to make the playoffs this year in the AFC ( given all the tie breaker
> scenarios). My gut feeling is the Jets need at least a 11-5 record.
>
> The upcoming games against New England, Philly, and Giants really worry
> me since the Jets already have three losses.
>
> Thoughts.

Why worry about the three losses -- the other teams have three losses too.

The Jets are tied for first place and control their own fate. To control
your own fate is all a team can really ask for.

If they are good enough they will. If they aren't they won't -- but then
they aren't good enough.

One thing: very clearly there are no super teams in the AFC this year. The
top record in the West is 4-4. The wild card slots look like they will be
going to the East and/or North. That's OK for us. And with no super teams,
every team that makes the playoffs will have a credible shot at making a
run.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have a friend who is a die hard Packers fan...they tape all the games and
have the Direct TV package to do it...after watching those games...nobody is
going to beat them anyway. :-) I expect them to be the repeat SB winners.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 10:26 am
From: Johnny Morongo

On 11/9/2011 10:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:

>
> I have a friend who is a die hard Packers fan...they tape all the games and
> have the Direct TV package to do it...after watching those games...nobody is
> going to beat them anyway. :-) I expect them to be the repeat SB winners.
>
>
I don't think that their Defense is all that good. They'd be beatable
by a team with a strong Offense. Look at the Chargers game from last
week. Rivers & Co. were able to put up significant points on them.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 2:14 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Johnny Morongo" <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
news:j9h51e$chi$1@dont-email.me...
> On 11/9/2011 10:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a friend who is a die hard Packers fan...they tape all the games
>> and
>> have the Direct TV package to do it...after watching those games...nobody
>> is
>> going to beat them anyway. :-) I expect them to be the repeat SB
>> winners.
>>
>>
> I don't think that their Defense is all that good. They'd be beatable by
> a team with a strong Offense. Look at the Chargers game from last week.
> Rivers & Co. were able to put up significant points on them.

I agree...you are correct...but I also think the way things are going few
have the true balanced approach and The Pack can outscore most O's around
and a team with a D to stop them probably does not have the O to
match...that's an issue...you can't just go with a super D...at that level
you have to be able to score points and to keep your own D off the field by
moving the ball etc...I just don't see that mix in the AFC right now...could
be totally wrong.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 3:28 pm
From: Johnny Morongo

On 11/10/2011 2:14 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo"<Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
> news:j9h51e$chi$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/9/2011 10:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have a friend who is a die hard Packers fan...they tape all the games
>>> and
>>> have the Direct TV package to do it...after watching those games...nobody
>>> is
>>> going to beat them anyway. :-) I expect them to be the repeat SB
>>> winners.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't think that their Defense is all that good. They'd be beatable by
>> a team with a strong Offense. Look at the Chargers game from last week.
>> Rivers& Co. were able to put up significant points on them.
>
> I agree...you are correct...but I also think the way things are going few
> have the true balanced approach and The Pack can outscore most O's around
> and a team with a D to stop them probably does not have the O to
> match...that's an issue...you can't just go with a super D...at that level
> you have to be able to score points and to keep your own D off the field by
> moving the ball etc...I just don't see that mix in the AFC right now...could
> be totally wrong.
>
>

Now I know this is pie in the sky, but the Jets offense looked very good
to me last Sunday. If it gets going and if, as someone else has said,
Schott will dump the cutesiness, the trick plays and the 'I'm smarter
than anyone else' calls (that he's been pretty much avoiding lately,
btw) which have pretty much been a staple in his offense for the last
5.5 years, the we have the POTENTIAL to become one of those good scoring
offenses that, and along with the stout D that we're seeing of late,
then WE could take Mr. Rogers & Co.

Please. Before I die.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 4:13 pm
From: Hammer

On Nov 10, 6:28 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> On 11/10/2011 2:14 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Johnny Morongo"<Moro...@Burf.com>  wrote in message
> >news:j9h51e$chi$1@dont-email.me...
> >> On 11/9/2011 10:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>
> >>> I have a friend who is a die hard Packers fan...they tape all the games
> >>> and
> >>> have the Direct TV package to do it...after watching those games...nobody
> >>> is
> >>> going to beat them anyway. :-)  I expect them to be the repeat SB
> >>> winners.
>
> >> I don't think that their Defense is all that good.  They'd be beatable by
> >> a team with a strong Offense.  Look at the Chargers game from last week.
> >> Rivers&  Co. were able to put up significant points on them.
>
> > I agree...you are correct...but I also think the way things are going few
> > have the true balanced approach and The Pack can outscore most O's around
> > and a team with a D to stop them probably does not have the O to
> > match...that's an issue...you can't just go with a super D...at that level
> > you have to be able to score points and to keep your own D off the field by
> > moving the ball etc...I just don't see that mix in the AFC right now...could
> > be totally wrong.
>
> Now I know this is pie in the sky, but the Jets offense looked very good
> to me last Sunday.  If it gets going and if, as someone else has said,
> Schott will dump the cutesiness, the trick plays and the 'I'm smarter
> than anyone else' calls (that he's been pretty much avoiding lately,
> btw) which have pretty much been a staple in his offense for the last
> 5.5 years, the we have the POTENTIAL to become one of those good scoring
> offenses that, and along with the stout D that we're seeing of late,
> then WE could take Mr. Rogers & Co.
>
> Please.  Before I die.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In which half of the game did they look good?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 4:18 pm
From: oldnasty@mindspring.com

On Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:14:24 PM UTC-5, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo" <Mor...@Burf.com> wrote in message
> news:j9h51e$chi$1@dont-email.me...
> > On 11/9/2011 10:54 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I have a friend who is a die hard Packers fan...they tape all the games
> >> and
> >> have the Direct TV package to do it...after watching those games...nobody
> >> is
> >> going to beat them anyway. :-) I expect them to be the repeat SB
> >> winners.
> >>
> >>
> > I don't think that their Defense is all that good. They'd be beatable by
> > a team with a strong Offense. Look at the Chargers game from last week.
> > Rivers & Co. were able to put up significant points on them.
>
> I agree...you are correct...but I also think the way things are going few
> have the true balanced approach and The Pack can outscore most O's around
> and a team with a D to stop them probably does not have the O to
> match...that's an issue...

You are entirely right there, they probably are the clear best team in the league.

But still all their eggs are in one basket. They are all passing O. That means one bad day or one unlucky day with the passing O, one key injury, one day when the opposing DC innovates some surprise, they can lose. (They sure didn't look like supermen squeezing by the Chargers last week -- if Rivers hadn't thrown so many picks...)

All one-dimensional teams are vulnerable. Think how super the Pats looked during the first few weeks this year as an all-passing team. Not so much now.

You and I are old enough to remember when good teams were good on both sides of the ball, if one unit had an off day the other was good enough to carry through.

There are no teams like that this year, so everybody's vulnerable and it's all a bit of a craps shoot.

But you are right, among the teams as they are, the Packers look like the best so they have to be the favorites.

Happily though they are in the other conference so we don't have to worry about them. All we have to do is get to the SB against them, let Rex innovate some surprises for the one game, then put trophy on the shelf. :-)

> you can't just go with a super D...at that level
> you have to be able to score points and to keep your own D off the field by
> moving the ball etc...I just don't see that mix in the AFC right now...could
> be totally wrong.

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TOPIC: OT: MSNBC Reports Penn State Officials Terminate Paterno Immediately
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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 7:17 am
From: Michael

On Nov 10, 12:24 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Ritchie" <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e49565ba-5446-4a28-ace5-34686374d343@r28g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 10:54 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I get these phone news updates...just got that one. I'm not surprised.
>
> What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
> Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
> back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
> was doing?
>
>
>
> I'm totally with you...I just do not get this at all.  On the other hand I
> was never a big fan of most of these guys...the "super ego coaches"....I met
> him a couple times at clinics etc.  And, one guy I worked with actually did
> know him...and did not like him at all.  The impression I got from a lot of
> coaches who sent kids there to play was he was not much interested in the
> kid really but far more in himself,

Papa... That would explain a lot as far as this scandal goes. Paterno
is not such a good guy. His real motive is self peservation and self
promotion. He cultivated an image and apparantly, would let nothing
stand in the way of prserving it. He put himself, his image and his
standing with the program ahead of his humanity and concern for the
well being of those people that were being victimized. It seems that
simple.

== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 7:46 am
From: "PatsSox"

"Ritchie" <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message...
On Nov 9, 10:54 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I get these phone news updates...just got that one. I'm not surprised.

What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
was doing?
--------------------

I'm trying really hard to understand what these students are
thinking. Perhaps they're not aware of all the details... or they're just
too damn stupid to figure out what was going on. How they can support
Paterno after what he did... or didn't do... is beyond my comprehension.

== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 8:46 am
From: "Papa Carl"

"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:71f9a2c8-d972-4c94-8cc1-7eab3aadb01b@u28g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 10, 12:24 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Ritchie" <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e49565ba-5446-4a28-ace5-34686374d343@r28g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 10:54 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I get these phone news updates...just got that one. I'm not surprised.
>
> What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
> Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
> back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
> was doing?
>
>
>
> I'm totally with you...I just do not get this at all. On the other hand I
> was never a big fan of most of these guys...the "super ego coaches"....I
> met
> him a couple times at clinics etc. And, one guy I worked with actually did
> know him...and did not like him at all. The impression I got from a lot of
> coaches who sent kids there to play was he was not much interested in the
> kid really but far more in himself,

Papa... That would explain a lot as far as this scandal goes. Paterno
is not such a good guy. His real motive is self peservation and self
promotion. He cultivated an image and apparantly, would let nothing
stand in the way of prserving it. He put himself, his image and his
standing with the program ahead of his humanity and concern for the
well being of those people that were being victimized. It seems that
simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It seems you are right...and sadly so. The last guy I worked with knew
everybody...he had been a D1 assistant himself and was a very successful
coach. I was fortunate that when I was there he took me to everything with
him and was great to me in that regard. He was a major ego...a lot of them
are and I think have to be to do the job in the "old school" model. My
colleague was very well respected too, however...he did not like Joe
Pa....he was very nice to him and did all the right things...but he was one
of the few big time coaches I ever heard him say negative things about. I
got to meet a lot of big names...some were very nice. At one point back in
the 80's I had cancer during the summer before football season...a couple of
these big names actually called me and one even came to my house to see
me...nothing in that for them...but most were arrogant ego guys. I just
always figured that if the guy I worked with didn't like them there was a
lot he wasn't telling me. Penn State is a brand...just like Sony or
GM...and they worked hard on what that brand said and they knew who they
were selling it to. Now...the most arrogant bastard I ever got to meet
and observe close up at a clinic was Holtz. We saw him in action inbetween
sessions at a clinic in Washington DC back in 82....the way he treated the
people trying to help him said it all.

== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 9:11 am
From: Michael

On Nov 10, 11:46 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:71f9a2c8-d972-4c94-8cc1-7eab3aadb01b@u28g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 10, 12:24 am, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Ritchie" <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:e49565ba-5446-4a28-ace5-34686374d343@r28g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 9, 10:54 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > I get these phone news updates...just got that one. I'm not surprised.
>
> > What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
> > Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
> > back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
> > was doing?
>
> > I'm totally with you...I just do not get this at all. On the other hand I
> > was never a big fan of most of these guys...the "super ego coaches"....I
> > met
> > him a couple times at clinics etc. And, one guy I worked with actually did
> > know him...and did not like him at all. The impression I got from a lot of
> > coaches who sent kids there to play was he was not much interested in the
> > kid really but far more in himself,
>
> Papa... That would explain a lot as far as this scandal goes.  Paterno
> is not such a good guy.  His real motive is self peservation and self
> promotion.  He cultivated an image and apparantly, would let nothing
> stand in the way of prserving it.  He put himself, his image and his
> standing with the program ahead of his humanity and concern for the
> well being of those people that were being victimized.  It seems that
> simple.
>
> It seems you are right...and sadly so.  The last guy I worked with knew
> everybody...he had been a D1 assistant himself and was a very successful
> coach.  I was fortunate that when I was there he took me to everything with
> him and was great to me in that regard.  He was a major ego...a lot of them
> are and I think have to be to do the job in the "old school" model.  My
> colleague was very well respected too, however...he did not like Joe
> Pa....he was very nice to him and did all the right things...but he was one
> of the few big time coaches I ever heard him say negative things about.  I
> got to meet a lot of big names...some were very nice.  At one point back in
> the 80's I had cancer during the summer before football season...a couple of
> these big names actually called me and one even came to my house to see
> me...nothing in that for them...but most were arrogant ego guys.  I just
> always figured that if the guy I worked with didn't like them there was a
> lot he wasn't telling me.  Penn State is a brand...just like Sony or
> GM...and they worked hard on what that brand said and they knew who they
> were selling it to.    Now...the most arrogant bastard I ever got to meet
> and observe close up at a clinic was Holtz.  We saw him in action inbetween
> sessions at a clinic in Washington DC back in 82....the way he treated the
> people trying to help him said it all.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

excellent post, papa...thanx for sharing... my modest sports
background only includes baseball and I stopped playing after high
school, so i never knew a single football coach. when i was in little
league my father was a baseball coach at that level and did it for
four years. he got out of it because because he felt the parents and
other coaches were over the top with it and he had enough. i remember
one interesting excersize he had his team do at the start of every
practice and just before a game. the entire team would line up in
front of the dugout with perfectly equal spacing between each kid.
then we'd turn to the right at the same time and take a slow lap
around the diamond in exact step and maintian a perfect distance
between the guy in front and back. when we got to the dugout, we'd
all fall in line exactly where we were before. My old man would
always tell the kids... When you are in your uniform and ready to play
or practice, nothing else should be in your head. It is only baseball.
When the game or practice is over, baseball does not exhist for you
kids because you arent getting paid to do it.

== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 10:29 am
From: "yoyodog"

"Ritchie" <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e49565ba-5446-4a28-ace5-34686374d343@r28g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 10:54 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I get these phone news updates...just got that one. I'm not surprised.
>
> What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
> Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
> back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
> was doing?

As someone posted in another NG (alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens):

"Our fans have had our ugly moments, but at least we've never rioted in
support of a child molester-protecting old fool."

== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 12:22 pm
From: John C TX

X-No-Archive: Yes
> >> I get these phone news updates...just got that one.  I'm not surprised.
>
> > What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
> > Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
> > back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
> > was doing?
>
> As someone posted in another NG (alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens):
>
> "Our fans have had our ugly moments, but at least we've never rioted in
> support of a child molester-protecting old fool."

It was so unseemly to watch those dopes at his house.

Also at first the focus on who was wrong & who was to blame was very
tough to read & listen to because through all this to me it is about
the lives destroyed both children & parents. Listening to talk radio
idiots that don't know the law & hearing them talk about how they know
"exactly" how they would have handled this made me laugh. I
fortunately have no experience with this and have no idea how I would
have reacted. I might have done a Joe Pa. I don't think I could have
done a Curley

Sacking Joe P was the only option. I just hope they can help those
kids.

== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 2:29 pm
From: Ritchie

On Nov 10, 3:22 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > >> I get these phone news updates...just got that one.  I'm not surprised.
>
> > > What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
> > > Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
> > > back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
> > > was doing?
>
> > As someone posted in another NG (alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens):
>
> > "Our fans have had our ugly moments, but at least we've never rioted in
> > support of a child molester-protecting old fool."
>
> It was so unseemly to watch those dopes at his house.
>
> Also at first the focus on who was wrong & who was to blame was very
> tough to read  & listen to because through all this to me it is about
> the lives destroyed both children & parents.  Listening to talk radio
> idiots that don't know the law & hearing them talk about how they know
> "exactly" how they would have handled this made me laugh. I
> fortunately have no experience with this and have no idea how I would
> have reacted.  I might have done a Joe Pa.  I don't think I could have
> done a Curley
>
> Sacking Joe P was the only option. I just hope they can help those
> kids.

They should have sacked McQueary also! Leaving him to still coach in
the game is just as wrong if not more because he saw it the rape
happening and did nothing to get that child out of danger!

== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 3:30 pm
From: Johnny Morongo

On 11/10/2011 2:29 PM, Ritchie wrote:
> On Nov 10, 3:22 pm, John C TX<johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>>>>> I get these phone news updates...just got that one. I'm not surprised.
>>
>>>> What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
>>>> Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
>>>> back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
>>>> was doing?
>>
>>> As someone posted in another NG (alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens):
>>
>>> "Our fans have had our ugly moments, but at least we've never rioted in
>>> support of a child molester-protecting old fool."
>>
>> It was so unseemly to watch those dopes at his house.
>>
>> Also at first the focus on who was wrong& who was to blame was very
>> tough to read& listen to because through all this to me it is about
>> the lives destroyed both children& parents. Listening to talk radio
>> idiots that don't know the law& hearing them talk about how they know
>> "exactly" how they would have handled this made me laugh. I
>> fortunately have no experience with this and have no idea how I would
>> have reacted. I might have done a Joe Pa. I don't think I could have
>> done a Curley
>>
>> Sacking Joe P was the only option. I just hope they can help those
>> kids.
>
> They should have sacked McQueary also! Leaving him to still coach in
> the game is just as wrong if not more because he saw it the rape
> happening and did nothing to get that child out of danger!

+10

== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 3:38 pm
From: graybeard

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:29:57 -0800 (PST), Ritchie
<ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote:

>They should have sacked McQueary also! Leaving him to still coach in
>the game is just as wrong if not more because he saw it the rape
>happening and did nothing to get that child out of danger!

Of all the things surrounding this matter, McQueary's actions are what I
find the most unfathomable. He was 28 years old at the time, an ex
football player, and instead of confronting Sandusky he turns tail and
runs to call his daddy? If McQueary has a shred of decency in his body,
which apparently he didn't back then, he should resign immediately and
never show his face in State College again.
--
graybeard

== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 3:54 pm
From: MZ

On Nov 10, 5:29 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 3:22 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> > > >> I get these phone news updates...just got that one.  I'm not surprised.
>
> > > > What I don't get is the idiot students protesting in support of
> > > > Paterno. Don't they realize that at the minimal this man turned his
> > > > back on the innocent children and let this monster continue what he
> > > > was doing?
>
> > > As someone posted in another NG (alt.sports.hockey.nhl.mtl-canadiens):
>
> > > "Our fans have had our ugly moments, but at least we've never rioted in
> > > support of a child molester-protecting old fool."
>
> > It was so unseemly to watch those dopes at his house.
>
> > Also at first the focus on who was wrong & who was to blame was very
> > tough to read  & listen to because through all this to me it is about
> > the lives destroyed both children & parents.  Listening to talk radio
> > idiots that don't know the law & hearing them talk about how they know
> > "exactly" how they would have handled this made me laugh. I
> > fortunately have no experience with this and have no idea how I would
> > have reacted.  I might have done a Joe Pa.  I don't think I could have
> > done a Curley
>
> > Sacking Joe P was the only option. I just hope they can help those
> > kids.
>
> They should have sacked McQueary also! Leaving him to still coach in
> the game is just as wrong if not more because he saw it the rape
> happening and did nothing to get that child out of danger!

You may be right, but Paterno's the boss. He knew what was going on.
As boss, part of his job description is to exert control over what
goes on in the facilities. While McQueary had an ethical obligation
to do something about it, Paterno had an additional obligation -- one
that he got paid for -- and he failed at it. So, even if you ignore
the ethical issues here, the fact is that Paterno did a pretty crappy
job as a manager, which was essentially his title.

== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 3:59 pm
From: Ritchie

On Nov 10, 6:38 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:29:57 -0800 (PST), Ritchie
>
> <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >They should have sacked McQueary also! Leaving him to still coach in
> >the game is just as wrong if not more because he saw it the rape
> >happening and did nothing to get that child out of danger!
>
> Of all the things surrounding this matter, McQueary's actions are what I
> find the most unfathomable. He was 28 years old at the time, an ex
> football player, and instead of confronting Sandusky he turns tail and
> runs to call his daddy? If McQueary has a shred of decency in his body,
> which apparently he didn't back then, he should resign immediately and
> never show his face in State College again.
> --
> graybeard

I agree. Paterno and the rest of the university staff ignoring it was
wrong but seeing it actually happen and not doing anything about it is
the worst part of it. My wife and I have no children and never wanted
any, but I can never ever turn my back on a child when they need help.
I cant count how many times I responded to a child abuse case as a
police officer and cried when I saw what some pos had done to a child,
and the rage that I felt when I confronted the person. At that point
my partner would take over because he knew that I was feeling it. I
had a child die in my arms (choked on a marble) and I felt so horrible
that I couldn't do anything that my sergeant told me to go home and
when I got home all I could do was cry. No child should suffer, ever.
I would love to get my hands on McQueary for 10 minutes and make him
suffer to the point that he would beg me to kill him! Sorry about this
rant but when you see the crimes that I have seen committed against
children things like what happened at Penn State bring back memories/
feelings that I don't want to recall.

== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 4:18 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Ritchie" <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:20b09b18-d36c-4738-ad9d-5a0b4e27da4b@u6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 10, 6:38 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:29:57 -0800 (PST), Ritchie
>
> <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >They should have sacked McQueary also! Leaving him to still coach in
> >the game is just as wrong if not more because he saw it the rape
> >happening and did nothing to get that child out of danger!
>
> Of all the things surrounding this matter, McQueary's actions are what I
> find the most unfathomable. He was 28 years old at the time, an ex
> football player, and instead of confronting Sandusky he turns tail and
> runs to call his daddy? If McQueary has a shred of decency in his body,
> which apparently he didn't back then, he should resign immediately and
> never show his face in State College again.
> --
> graybeard

I agree. Paterno and the rest of the university staff ignoring it was
wrong but seeing it actually happen and not doing anything about it is
the worst part of it. My wife and I have no children and never wanted
any, but I can never ever turn my back on a child when they need help.
I cant count how many times I responded to a child abuse case as a
police officer and cried when I saw what some pos had done to a child,
and the rage that I felt when I confronted the person. At that point
my partner would take over because he knew that I was feeling it. I
had a child die in my arms (choked on a marble) and I felt so horrible
that I couldn't do anything that my sergeant told me to go home and
when I got home all I could do was cry. No child should suffer, ever.
I would love to get my hands on McQueary for 10 minutes and make him
suffer to the point that he would beg me to kill him! Sorry about this
rant but when you see the crimes that I have seen committed against
children things like what happened at Penn State bring back memories/
feelings that I don't want to recall.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I hope the bastard has nightmares for the rest of his life about it.

== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 4:17 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"graybeard" <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:unnob71e1t4h6t55s36i7lpq641q0f55fu@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:29:57 -0800 (PST), Ritchie
> <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>They should have sacked McQueary also! Leaving him to still coach in
>>the game is just as wrong if not more because he saw it the rape
>>happening and did nothing to get that child out of danger!
>
> Of all the things surrounding this matter, McQueary's actions are what I
> find the most unfathomable. He was 28 years old at the time, an ex
> football player, and instead of confronting Sandusky he turns tail and
> runs to call his daddy? If McQueary has a shred of decency in his body,
> which apparently he didn't back then, he should resign immediately and
> never show his face in State College again.
> --
> graybeard

What you are seeing is how deeply that "loyalty" crap is imbedded in
them...this is the real drink the kool aide deal...they would never do
anything that could hurt Joe or the "program"...that is how it is in many of
these big programs.

== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 5:28 pm
From: graybeard

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:18:04 -0500, "Papa Carl" <papa.carl@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
>"Ritchie" <ritchie1965@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:20b09b18-d36c-4738-ad9d-5a0b4e27da4b@u6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
>On Nov 10, 6:38 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:29:57 -0800 (PST), Ritchie
>>
>> <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >They should have sacked McQueary also! Leaving him to still coach in
>> >the game is just as wrong if not more because he saw it the rape
>> >happening and did nothing to get that child out of danger!
>>
>> Of all the things surrounding this matter, McQueary's actions are what I
>> find the most unfathomable. He was 28 years old at the time, an ex
>> football player, and instead of confronting Sandusky he turns tail and
>> runs to call his daddy? If McQueary has a shred of decency in his body,
>> which apparently he didn't back then, he should resign immediately and
>> never show his face in State College again.
>> --
>> graybeard
>
>I agree. Paterno and the rest of the university staff ignoring it was
>wrong but seeing it actually happen and not doing anything about it is
>the worst part of it. My wife and I have no children and never wanted
>any, but I can never ever turn my back on a child when they need help.
>I cant count how many times I responded to a child abuse case as a
>police officer and cried when I saw what some pos had done to a child,
>and the rage that I felt when I confronted the person. At that point
>my partner would take over because he knew that I was feeling it. I
>had a child die in my arms (choked on a marble) and I felt so horrible
>that I couldn't do anything that my sergeant told me to go home and
>when I got home all I could do was cry. No child should suffer, ever.
>I would love to get my hands on McQueary for 10 minutes and make him
>suffer to the point that he would beg me to kill him! Sorry about this
>rant but when you see the crimes that I have seen committed against
>children things like what happened at Penn State bring back memories/
>feelings that I don't want to recall.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>I hope the bastard has nightmares for the rest of his life about it.
>

Considering McQueary must have encountered Sandusky numerous times over
the last decade, and possibly even worked with him, without any apparent
qualms, his nightmares can't have been too bad.
--
graybeard

== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 5:58 pm
From: graybeard

On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:54:06 -0800 (PST), MZ <forums@mdz.no-ip.org>
wrote:

>You may be right, but Paterno's the boss. He knew what was going on.
>As boss, part of his job description is to exert control over what
>goes on in the facilities. While McQueary had an ethical obligation
>to do something about it, Paterno had an additional obligation -- one
>that he got paid for -- and he failed at it. So, even if you ignore
>the ethical issues here, the fact is that Paterno did a pretty crappy
>job as a manager, which was essentially his title.

He wasn't Sandusky's boss. Sandusky had retired 3 years prior to the
2002 incident. Paterno wasn't the owner of the building where the crime
was committed - that was Penn State property. The only obligation he had
in accordance with the established protocol as far as his job title was
concerned was to report the information to the Athletic Director, which
he did. Paterno had no managerial responsibility, or indeed authority,
to do anything else beyond that.

The question then becomes, what exactly did McQueary tell Paterno that
he had witnessed? If he did indeed inform Paterno of the graphic details
that he supplied to the Grand Jury, or even just made sure that Paterno
was aware that some kind of sexual incident had occurred, then Paterno
certainly had a moral responsibility to follow up and see that action
was taken which would be commensurate with the crime. It would be very
interesting to find out from McQueary exactly what he told Paterno that
day.

More heinous to me, at least until we get more information, is the
behavior of Curley and Schultz, who allowed Sandusky to keep using Penn
State facilities with the stipulation that he was not to bring any more
young boys to the campus. It's the equivalent of saying, "We don't care
what you do, just don't do it here."
--
graybeard

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 10:21 am
From: Johnny Morongo

On 11/9/2011 7:58 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> "John C TX"<johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5785ec40-3463-4ce6-b636-8322cb002374@h23g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>>> This because you're such an ugly dude that no one can picture you with
>>> any half way decent looking woman.
>>
>> Well he could but before he met his lovely bride he had to inflate
>> them first.
>
> No....definitely not. Why the Hell did we play football back then? To meet
> girls after the games. My wife didn't even know what football was when I
> met her...today she is a terror...last Sunday she sat there criticizing the
> Jets missed tackles, counting guys missing, getting angry about play
> calls...she has learned a lot over the years.
>
>
Apparently not enough.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 2:15 pm
From: "Papa Carl"

"Johnny Morongo" <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
news:j9h4ni$9ah$1@dont-email.me...
> On 11/9/2011 7:58 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>> "John C TX"<johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5785ec40-3463-4ce6-b636-8322cb002374@h23g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>
>>>> This because you're such an ugly dude that no one can picture you with
>>>> any half way decent looking woman.
>>>
>>> Well he could but before he met his lovely bride he had to inflate
>>> them first.
>>
>> No....definitely not. Why the Hell did we play football back then? To
>> meet
>> girls after the games. My wife didn't even know what football was when I
>> met her...today she is a terror...last Sunday she sat there criticizing
>> the
>> Jets missed tackles, counting guys missing, getting angry about play
>> calls...she has learned a lot over the years.
>>
>>
> Apparently not enough.

???????
counting missed tackles and recognizing lousy tackling?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 3:18 pm
From: Johnny Morongo

On 11/10/2011 2:15 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
> "Johnny Morongo"<Morongo@Burf.com> wrote in message
> news:j9h4ni$9ah$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/9/2011 7:58 PM, Papa Carl wrote:
>>> "John C TX"<johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5785ec40-3463-4ce6-b636-8322cb002374@h23g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>>>
>>>>> This because you're such an ugly dude that no one can picture you with
>>>>> any half way decent looking woman.
>>>>
>>>> Well he could but before he met his lovely bride he had to inflate
>>>> them first.
>>>
>>> No....definitely not. Why the Hell did we play football back then? To
>>> meet
>>> girls after the games. My wife didn't even know what football was when I
>>> met her...today she is a terror...last Sunday she sat there criticizing
>>> the
>>> Jets missed tackles, counting guys missing, getting angry about play
>>> calls...she has learned a lot over the years.
>>>
>>>
>> Apparently not enough.
>
> ???????
> counting missed tackles and recognizing lousy tackling?
>
>

I'm throwing a flag for her having such bad taste, back in the stone age
when you first met. No instant replay then either, meaning that she
didn't get a chance at a do-over.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 10 2011 5:51 pm
From: jdawson

On 11/7/2011 5:07 PM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> why didn't one of these football players just punch the guy and say "keep
> your paws off me you fucking pervert" these weren't HS students but D1
> football players. , they are rather big dudes.
>
> the most disgusting thing though is how all the reporters are rearing up on
> their hind legs and pontificating about a story they know little of.
>
>
ray you're a fucking moron.Typical liberal, fucking clueless

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