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* Schotty Inked Through 2012! - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* OT: Kellen Clemens one injury away from starting for Houston. - 2 messages,
2 authors
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* You May Have Won...But I Will Always Have This: - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* a few thoughts & a question. - 8 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/a3d87a92b1588ec7?hl=en
* Beware, the "Sanchez Rectangle" - 5 messages, 3 authors
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* Norv Turner as OC? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* good win - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Schotty Inked Through 2012!
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 12:00 am
From: Tutor
On Nov 27, 9:41 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:08:28 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 25, 6:33 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/25/2011 2:09 PM, Tutor wrote:
>
> >> > On Nov 25, 3:14 pm, "JKConey"<jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> "Rex" wrote in messagenews:2MYEVZ8W40873.1526157407@reece.net.au...
>
> >> >> Jest thought you'd like to know!
> >> >> espn.go.com/nfl see the side bar with latest stories
>
> >> >> Disppointed& disgusted.
>
> >> >> -- "Ladies& gentlemen, do not panic. The Tingler is loose in THIS theater.
> >> >> SCREAM.... SCREAM FOR YOUR LIVES!"
>
> >> >> JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.comwww.facebook.com/MyConeyIslandMemories
>
> >> > It's not a big deal. They rarely keep anyone around in a "lame duck"
> >> > year. It is customary in the NFL to edxtend a contract through the
> >> > end of the following season to avoid the "lame duck" year syndrome.
> >> > It doesn't mean the coach will actually stay for for that extra year.
> >> > Just that the team must pay him for thatyear if they cut him loose.
> >> > (or pay the difference between what a new team gives him and what the
> >> > extension provides). IMO, this has no bearing on whether they keep
> >> > Schitty or Schitt-can him.
>
> >> First off, Dave, great line. But - in the article cited below, there's
> >> also this note:
>
> >> "Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and defensive coordinator
> >> Mike Pettine were extended during the offseason through at least the
> >> 2012 season, a team spokesman confirmed."
>
> >> Sounds more serious than your "lame duck" supposition. Surely you don't
> >> think that Pettine's position is in that same kind of jeopardy, do you?
> >> I really think that if we are at all to get rid of the Schitt it'll be
> >> because he, of his own volition, takes another job, say in the college
> >> ranks. Other than that, Marty's hold on Woody's pecker will ensure that
> >> Brian's job is secure, as this extension suggests it is.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Neither would be coordinator with less than a year on the contract, so
> >yes, I think both were extended to avoid "lame duck" coaching
> >syndrome. That doesn't mean they intend to keep both, one or
> >neither. it's just standard in the industry and doesn't really mean
> >anything. Frankly, I don't think Pettine does all that much either.
>
> Thing with Pettine, he's still kind of a figurehead. Rex is much more involved with the
> D.
> Not to throw a wrench into your thinking on Schott... but try this...http://tinyurl.com/cd2a245
>
> Sunday, November 27, 2011
> Schotty signed through 2013
> By Rich Cimini
>
> EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer received a contract
> extension last offseason through at least 2012, ESPNNewYork.com reported Thursday.
>
> Turns out that he's signed through 2013, ESPN Insider Adam Schefter reported Sunday.
>
> That could complicate things a little bit if the Jets decide to make a change after the
> season. It means they'd have to eat two years of his contract, which means more than $2
> million.
>
> *************************************************
>
> While this extension gives me the heebeejeebees (whatever they are), with the investment
> they've put into Sanchez, I cannot believe they'd waste another year with this
> inconsistent (I'm being nice) offensive design.
> Of course, this IS the Jets, so I guess they'll probably give Schott a contract for
> life... or better yet, they'll fire Rex & elevate Schott to HC, & bring back Ted Cottrell
> to run the D.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ugh. Don't know what to say. We just got to hope he gets a HC gig.
Unless the Jets are prepared to pay him for 2 years after firing him
at the end of the season.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 6:01 am
From: John C TX
On Nov 28, 2:00 am, Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 27, 9:41 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:08:28 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >On Nov 25, 6:33 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
> > >> On 11/25/2011 2:09 PM, Tutor wrote:
>
> > >> > On Nov 25, 3:14 pm, "JKConey"<jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> >> "Rex" wrote in messagenews:2MYEVZ8W40873.1526157407@reece.net.au...
>
> > >> >> Jest thought you'd like to know!
> > >> >> espn.go.com/nfl see the side bar with latest stories
>
> > >> >> Disppointed& disgusted.
>
> > >> >> -- "Ladies& gentlemen, do not panic. The Tingler is loose in THIS theater.
> > >> >> SCREAM.... SCREAM FOR YOUR LIVES!"
>
> > >> >> JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.comwww.facebook.com/MyConeyIslandMemories
>
> > >> > It's not a big deal. They rarely keep anyone around in a "lame duck"
> > >> > year. It is customary in the NFL to edxtend a contract through the
> > >> > end of the following season to avoid the "lame duck" year syndrome.
> > >> > It doesn't mean the coach will actually stay for for that extra year.
> > >> > Just that the team must pay him for thatyear if they cut him loose.
> > >> > (or pay the difference between what a new team gives him and what the
> > >> > extension provides). IMO, this has no bearing on whether they keep
> > >> > Schitty or Schitt-can him.
>
> > >> First off, Dave, great line. But - in the article cited below, there's
> > >> also this note:
>
> > >> "Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and defensive coordinator
> > >> Mike Pettine were extended during the offseason through at least the
> > >> 2012 season, a team spokesman confirmed."
>
> > >> Sounds more serious than your "lame duck" supposition. Surely you don't
> > >> think that Pettine's position is in that same kind of jeopardy, do you?
> > >> I really think that if we are at all to get rid of the Schitt it'll be
> > >> because he, of his own volition, takes another job, say in the college
> > >> ranks. Other than that, Marty's hold on Woody's pecker will ensure that
> > >> Brian's job is secure, as this extension suggests it is.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >Neither would be coordinator with less than a year on the contract, so
> > >yes, I think both were extended to avoid "lame duck" coaching
> > >syndrome. That doesn't mean they intend to keep both, one or
> > >neither. it's just standard in the industry and doesn't really mean
> > >anything. Frankly, I don't think Pettine does all that much either.
>
> > Thing with Pettine, he's still kind of a figurehead. Rex is much more involved with the
> > D.
> > Not to throw a wrench into your thinking on Schott... but try this...http://tinyurl.com/cd2a245
>
> > Sunday, November 27, 2011
> > Schotty signed through 2013
> > By Rich Cimini
>
> > EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer received a contract
> > extension last offseason through at least 2012, ESPNNewYork.com reported Thursday.
>
> > Turns out that he's signed through 2013, ESPN Insider Adam Schefter reported Sunday.
>
> > That could complicate things a little bit if the Jets decide to make a change after the
> > season. It means they'd have to eat two years of his contract, which means more than $2
> > million.
>
> > *************************************************
>
> > While this extension gives me the heebeejeebees (whatever they are), with the investment
> > they've put into Sanchez, I cannot believe they'd waste another year with this
> > inconsistent (I'm being nice) offensive design.
> > Of course, this IS the Jets, so I guess they'll probably give Schott a contract for
> > life... or better yet, they'll fire Rex & elevate Schott to HC, & bring back Ted Cottrell
> > to run the D.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ugh. Don't know what to say. We just got to hope he gets a HC gig.
> Unless the Jets are prepared to pay him for 2 years after firing him
> at the end of the season.
Adam Schefter is only a hair behind Mike Florio in getting it wrong.
Now it could be true but it might not be two years.
Some questions:
What does he do to earn $2 MM? Top coordinators get paid that.
Why do you think this is on Woody Johnson & not on Ryan? If Schott is
a bad as you say -- I may be there but Sanchez keeps letting him off
the hook-- wouldn't Rex see that? He likes being a head coach and I
would hope that all his coaches are the best he can get & work with.
This is also contrary to woody just being about the money.
Let me throw one more conspiracy theory into it. He likes or dislikes
Callahan and this controls him or forces him out. He showed up in
2008. Is he still under contract in 2012?
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 6:31 am
From: buRford
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:09:41 -0800, Johnny Morongo <Morongo@Burf.com> wrote:
>On 11/27/2011 6:41 PM, buRford wrote:
>> While this extension gives me the heebeejeebees (whatever they are), with the investment
>> they've put into Sanchez, I cannot believe they'd waste another year with this
>> inconsistent (I'm being nice) offensive design.
>> Of course, this IS the Jets, so I guess they'll probably give Schott a contract for
>> life... or better yet, they'll fire Rex& elevate Schott to HC,& bring back Ted Cottrell
>
>
>You are one cynical MoFo, bro.
My attorney will be in-touch with you... falsifying email addys is a Federal offense (in
my burfdom).
How you be, JM?
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 6:41 am
From: buRford
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:00:29 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 27, 9:41 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 16:08:28 -0800 (PST), Tutor <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 25, 6:33 pm, Johnny Morongo <Moro...@Burf.com> wrote:
>> >> On 11/25/2011 2:09 PM, Tutor wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Nov 25, 3:14 pm, "JKConey"<jkco...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> >> "Rex" wrote in messagenews:2MYEVZ8W40873.1526157407@reece.net.au...
>>
>> >> >> Jest thought you'd like to know!
>> >> >> espn.go.com/nfl see the side bar with latest stories
>>
>> >> >> Disppointed& disgusted.
>>
>> >> >> -- "Ladies& gentlemen, do not panic. The Tingler is loose in THIS theater.
>> >> >> SCREAM.... SCREAM FOR YOUR LIVES!"
>>
>> >> >> JK Sinrodwww.MyConeyIslandMemories.comwww.facebook.com/MyConeyIslandMemories
>>
>> >> > It's not a big deal. They rarely keep anyone around in a "lame duck"
>> >> > year. It is customary in the NFL to edxtend a contract through the
>> >> > end of the following season to avoid the "lame duck" year syndrome.
>> >> > It doesn't mean the coach will actually stay for for that extra year.
>> >> > Just that the team must pay him for thatyear if they cut him loose.
>> >> > (or pay the difference between what a new team gives him and what the
>> >> > extension provides). IMO, this has no bearing on whether they keep
>> >> > Schitty or Schitt-can him.
>>
>> >> First off, Dave, great line. But - in the article cited below, there's
>> >> also this note:
>>
>> >> "Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and defensive coordinator
>> >> Mike Pettine were extended during the offseason through at least the
>> >> 2012 season, a team spokesman confirmed."
>>
>> >> Sounds more serious than your "lame duck" supposition. Surely you don't
>> >> think that Pettine's position is in that same kind of jeopardy, do you?
>> >> I really think that if we are at all to get rid of the Schitt it'll be
>> >> because he, of his own volition, takes another job, say in the college
>> >> ranks. Other than that, Marty's hold on Woody's pecker will ensure that
>> >> Brian's job is secure, as this extension suggests it is.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Neither would be coordinator with less than a year on the contract, so
>> >yes, I think both were extended to avoid "lame duck" coaching
>> >syndrome. That doesn't mean they intend to keep both, one or
>> >neither. it's just standard in the industry and doesn't really mean
>> >anything. Frankly, I don't think Pettine does all that much either.
>>
>> Thing with Pettine, he's still kind of a figurehead. Rex is much more involved with the
>> D.
>> Not to throw a wrench into your thinking on Schott... but try this...http://tinyurl.com/cd2a245
>>
>> Sunday, November 27, 2011
>> Schotty signed through 2013
>> By Rich Cimini
>>
>> EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer received a contract
>> extension last offseason through at least 2012, ESPNNewYork.com reported Thursday.
>>
>> Turns out that he's signed through 2013, ESPN Insider Adam Schefter reported Sunday.
>>
>> That could complicate things a little bit if the Jets decide to make a change after the
>> season. It means they'd have to eat two years of his contract, which means more than $2
>> million.
>>
>> *************************************************
>>
>> While this extension gives me the heebeejeebees (whatever they are), with the investment
>> they've put into Sanchez, I cannot believe they'd waste another year with this
>> inconsistent (I'm being nice) offensive design.
>> Of course, this IS the Jets, so I guess they'll probably give Schott a contract for
>> life... or better yet, they'll fire Rex & elevate Schott to HC, & bring back Ted Cottrell
>> to run the D.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>ugh. Don't know what to say. We just got to hope he gets a HC gig.
>Unless the Jets are prepared to pay him for 2 years after firing him
>at the end of the season.
They love him so much, that if they do release him, they'll probably give him a few
million extra, for severence.
I'll tell ya, Tut, as badly as Sanchez has played, on two of his TDs yesterday, I saw
hope.
Both on roll-outs... the way he has to be used at this point in his career. Schott keeps
trying to force the straight drop-back issue... with another OC, aside from a more
coherent offense, Sanchez could be used much more effectively.
That they haven't thrown one long pass, in seemingly eons, is baffling even for Schott.
Aside from a completion, there's always the chance of PI, & just keeping a D honest.
At this point, I'm on-board the let's lose some games, & miss the playoffs bandwagon.
That's the only thing that will get management's attention, & get them to make the
necessary coaching & personnel changes.
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TOPIC: OT: Kellen Clemens one injury away from starting for Houston.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 5:45 am
From: John C TX
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> How snake bit are they?
I don't have Direct TV so I walk to the local establishment & sit in
the corner & quietly watch the Jets often with a Pats fan & Texans
fan. They look at me like it was my fault and asked what I thought of
Clemens. I told them if you like a guy with a strong arm on the out-
pass, inaccurate on the long pass & who has no touch on the ball on
short passes you will love him. Actually he could do OK int this
offense if he has learned to throw a fade pass. It calls for quite a
few roll outs, the line is solid, they have 2 good catching TE's, 1
great WR & they have the best pair of RB's in the league.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:09 am
From: "Papa Carl"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:55aa66ce-6e31-4307-9fb1-378d02a886c2@f36g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>> How snake bit are they?
>
> I don't have Direct TV so I walk to the local establishment & sit in
> the corner & quietly watch the Jets often with a Pats fan & Texans
> fan. They look at me like it was my fault and asked what I thought of
> Clemens. I told them if you like a guy with a strong arm on the out-
> pass, inaccurate on the long pass & who has no touch on the ball on
> short passes you will love him. Actually he could do OK int this
> offense if he has learned to throw a fade pass. It calls for quite a
> few roll outs, the line is solid, they have 2 good catching TE's, 1
> great WR & they have the best pair of RB's in the league.
>
>
I always thought Philly made a huge mistake when they let Garcia go. I
think The Texans should get him ASAP for that offense....he will not give
games away with his play. OMHO
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TOPIC: You May Have Won...But I Will Always Have This:
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 5:49 am
From: Deadmeat
On 11/27/2011 10:52 PM, Hammer wrote:
> On Nov 27, 9:39 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
> <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF6wecC7ZBc
>>
>> Stevie Johnson doing his "Plaxico" celebration!!!
>>
>> Too fucking funny!!!!!
>>
>> mr dude
>
> I really don't get why something like that, then doing the Jet fly
> thing, then rolling on the floor is not flagged for unsportsmanlike
> conduct.
He did get flagged. Why do think the Bills were kicking from the
25?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:58 am
From: Hammer
On Nov 28, 8:49 am, Deadmeat <Deadmeat> wrote:
> On 11/27/2011 10:52 PM, Hammer wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 9:39 pm, "mr d...@harvarduniversity.edu"
> > <foster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF6wecC7ZBc
>
> >> Stevie Johnson doing his "Plaxico" celebration!!!
>
> >> Too fucking funny!!!!!
>
> >> mr dude
>
> > I really don't get why something like that, then doing the Jet fly
> > thing, then rolling on the floor is not flagged for unsportsmanlike
> > conduct.
>
> He did get flagged. Why do think the Bills were kicking from the
> 25?
I must have missed it then. I think I remember it said FLAG on the
screen and I thought there was going to be one, but the announcers
never mentioned it and I thought it was a mistake.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:22 am
From: "JKConey"
I don't read much of your racist remarks, but have you ever told us why
the Jets hatred? What can possibly make you take the time to keep coming
here?
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TOPIC: a few thoughts & a question.
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 6:18 am
From: John C TX
Why is Cromartie out their for ST's? I heard that Leonhard was gassed
then how about McKnight? Kerley needs to get healthy.
The running game looked healthier but it was Buffalo. They only hit
Sanchez once (no sacks) so either Buffalo is even worse which makes
hid poor performance even more worrisome. I was only half joking
about his cap # savings if cut but if we need the money & someone is
out there they must be thinking about it. I saw this Thurs. which is
little comfort.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/11/politi_jets_mark_sanchez_may_n.html#incart_mce
Can the OC call audibles or does the mike get turned off at some point?
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 7:09 am
From: buRford
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:18:32 -0800 (PST), John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:
>Why is Cromartie out their for ST's? I heard that Leonhard was gassed
>then how about McKnight? Kerley needs to get healthy.
It may be Westhoff's time to mosey on. STs have been, at best, inconsistent this season.
I guess the thinking on McKnight, is that he recently muffed a punt.
I never liked Cro on punts. He tends to vapor-lock, when things move too fast for him.
>
>The running game looked healthier but it was Buffalo. They only hit
>Sanchez once (no sacks) so either Buffalo is even worse which makes
>hid poor performance even more worrisome. I was only half joking
>about his cap # savings if cut but if we need the money & someone is
>out there they must be thinking about it. I saw this Thurs. which is
>little comfort.
>
>http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/11/politi_jets_mark_sanchez_may_n.html#incart_mce
>
>Can the OC call audibles or does the mike get turned off at some point?
I don't think an OC on the sidelines, has the view of the D, to make decisions on the fly.
Even if he did, it would be crazy for a QB, to hear an audible, while at the same time
reading the D, & changing the play. Lastly, to me, Sanchez is at his best when deviating
from the set play, & improvising. Watch him during that last TD pass to Holmes.
He looked like a polished, calm, QB... rolling, directing Holmes, & throwing a perfect
pass. You didn't see hesitancy, lack of confidence, over-thinking, etc... he just
reacted, & performed perfectly.
Sanchez will probably never be great, but his problem is the offense he's given to run,
which doesn't suit his skills. We've all noticed that Schott tends to be too-cute, often
over-thinking a play. That's what he's instilled in Sanchez, while Sanchez needs less
thinking, & more freedom to react... loosen the leash.
The problem with Sanchez is that he's too laid-back, & hasn't demanded more freedom.
I'd like to see him get pissed already, & grab the offense.
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:30 am
From: John C TX
X-No-Archive: Yes
> >Why is Cromartie out their for ST's? I heard that Leonhard was gassed
> >then how about McKnight? Kerley needs to get healthy.
>
> It may be Westhoff's time to mosey on. STs have been, at best, inconsistent this season.
> I guess the thinking on McKnight, is that he recently muffed a punt.
> I never liked Cro on punts. He tends to vapor-lock, when things move too fast for him.
>
>
>
> >The running game looked healthier but it was Buffalo. They only hit
> >Sanchez once (no sacks) so either Buffalo is even worse which makes
> >hid poor performance even more worrisome. I was only half joking
> >about his cap # savings if cut but if we need the money & someone is
> >out there they must be thinking about it. I saw this Thurs. which is
> >little comfort.
>
> >http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/11/politi_jets_mark_sanchez_may...
>
> >Can the OC call audibles or does the mike get turned off at some point?
>
> I don't think an OC on the sidelines, has the view of the D, to make decisions on the fly.
> Even if he did, it would be crazy for a QB, to hear an audible, while at the same time
> reading the D, & changing the play.
I am not saying it is preferred I was just curious if the microphone
gets cut off when the huddle breaks. What triggered it was the
audibles & the other part is can the OC say, "you have so & so open to
your left" ir "you are about to get drilled from behind RUN."
>Lastly, to me, Sanchez is at his best when deviating
> from the set play, & improvising. Watch him during that last TD pass to Holmes.
> He looked like a polished, calm, QB... rolling, directing Holmes, & throwing a perfect
> pass. You didn't see hesitancy, lack of confidence, over-thinking, etc... he just
> reacted, & performed perfectly.
You want a QB that can cause damage when the play breaks up & Sanchez
can do that. He moves well & has a sense of the pressure but
surprisingly that is when he doesn't make errors. I bet if you went
through his picks this year most were unforced & that is what is most
frustrating.
>
> Sanchez will probably never be great, but his problem is the offense he's given to run,
> which doesn't suit his skills. We've all noticed that Schott tends to be too-cute, often
> over-thinking a play. That's what he's instilled in Sanchez, while Sanchez needs less
> thinking, & more freedom to react... loosen the leash.
> The problem with Sanchez is that he's too laid-back, & hasn't demanded more freedom.
> I'd like to see him get pissed already, & grab the offense.
B, our time would probably be better served discussing the budget
issues in front of Congress as we probably would agree on more of
those issues than the offense. In fact I know we would.
:)
Having said that here goes.
:)
Many complain about the offense & I still get back to execution &
mistakes & that is why I think schott should move on. They are still
going on & you can't fire 11 players. What always mitigates my
criticism is Sanchez throwing bad passes, forcing the ball when he
doesn't have to & not seeing the field. I was reading how there may
be communication issues with Sanchez & Homes. Crap, twice in he Red
Zone he threw behind Holmes when Holmes was open & continued his
route. There are guys open. Sanchez isn't seeing them & he isn't
getting it to them.
As for the cute stuff & over thinking, I personally like the motion &
think they should use more. In this group I am in the minority. As
for letting him off the leash. I think Rex would find you & bitte
your toes off if he heard you say that.
Think about this. Sanchez doesn't throw the pick, & even if he didn't
throw so many incomplete passes, that game is a cakewalk. We get on
track & he takes us off track so play calling, namely running the
ball, has to take a back seat to scoring not a go ahead TD but a game
tying one.
As always I could be wrong but maybe the tape Rex is seeing is
validating the decision on Schott.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:37 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article
<0d9f7302-ee9e-40e8-abdb-8762afef7ad5@u10g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
John C TX <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote:
> or does the mike get turned off at some point
Yes it does. For some reasons, 20 seconds seems like close.
h
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:45 am
From: John C TX
> Yes it does. For some reasons, 20 seconds seems like close.
Thanks H, I thought of you when I saw the pecan pie lovers waiting in
line outside of Goode company last week. I hate it but heard they
sell 80,000 Thanksgiving week between the restaurants & online.
I hope you had a good holiday.
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:13 am
From: "Papa Carl"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0d9f7302-ee9e-40e8-abdb-8762afef7ad5@u10g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> Why is Cromartie out their for ST's? I heard that Leonhard was gassed
> then how about McKnight? Kerley needs to get healthy.
>
> The running game looked healthier but it was Buffalo. They only hit
> Sanchez once (no sacks) so either Buffalo is even worse which makes
> hid poor performance even more worrisome. I was only half joking
> about his cap # savings if cut but if we need the money & someone is
> out there they must be thinking about it. I saw this Thurs. which is
> little comfort.
>
> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/11/politi_jets_mark_sanchez_may_n.html#incart_mce
>
> Can the OC call audibles or does the mike get turned off at some point?
Sanchez' first quarter was horrendous...second half bad...gets better later
on...he can not play a whole game and still makes decisions a third year QB
should not be making. The Bills gave them that game...Stevie boy handed it
to them gift wrapped. They beat a team with gifts given that they had
already beaten and that is in decline...not big feat at all.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:16 am
From: "Papa Carl"
"John C TX" <johnctxjets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c9aeebb8-6e90-402d-9251-aa09cdd05b6f@w29g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
X-No-Archive: Yes
> >Why is Cromartie out their for ST's? I heard that Leonhard was gassed
> >then how about McKnight? Kerley needs to get healthy.
>
> It may be Westhoff's time to mosey on. STs have been, at best,
> inconsistent this season.
> I guess the thinking on McKnight, is that he recently muffed a punt.
> I never liked Cro on punts. He tends to vapor-lock, when things move too
> fast for him.
>
>
>
> >The running game looked healthier but it was Buffalo. They only hit
> >Sanchez once (no sacks) so either Buffalo is even worse which makes
> >hid poor performance even more worrisome. I was only half joking
> >about his cap # savings if cut but if we need the money & someone is
> >out there they must be thinking about it. I saw this Thurs. which is
> >little comfort.
>
> >http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2011/11/politi_jets_mark_sanchez_may...
>
> >Can the OC call audibles or does the mike get turned off at some point?
>
> I don't think an OC on the sidelines, has the view of the D, to make
> decisions on the fly.
> Even if he did, it would be crazy for a QB, to hear an audible, while at
> the same time
> reading the D, & changing the play.
I am not saying it is preferred I was just curious if the microphone
gets cut off when the huddle breaks. What triggered it was the
audibles & the other part is can the OC say, "you have so & so open to
your left" ir "you are about to get drilled from behind RUN."
>Lastly, to me, Sanchez is at his best when deviating
> from the set play, & improvising. Watch him during that last TD pass to
> Holmes.
> He looked like a polished, calm, QB... rolling, directing Holmes, &
> throwing a perfect
> pass. You didn't see hesitancy, lack of confidence, over-thinking, etc...
> he just
> reacted, & performed perfectly.
You want a QB that can cause damage when the play breaks up & Sanchez
can do that. He moves well & has a sense of the pressure but
surprisingly that is when he doesn't make errors. I bet if you went
through his picks this year most were unforced & that is what is most
frustrating.
>
> Sanchez will probably never be great, but his problem is the offense he's
> given to run,
> which doesn't suit his skills. We've all noticed that Schott tends to be
> too-cute, often
> over-thinking a play. That's what he's instilled in Sanchez, while Sanchez
> needs less
> thinking, & more freedom to react... loosen the leash.
> The problem with Sanchez is that he's too laid-back, & hasn't demanded
> more freedom.
> I'd like to see him get pissed already, & grab the offense.
B, our time would probably be better served discussing the budget
issues in front of Congress as we probably would agree on more of
those issues than the offense. In fact I know we would.
:)
Having said that here goes.
:)
Many complain about the offense & I still get back to execution &
mistakes & that is why I think schott should move on. They are still
going on & you can't fire 11 players. What always mitigates my
criticism is Sanchez throwing bad passes, forcing the ball when he
doesn't have to & not seeing the field. I was reading how there may
be communication issues with Sanchez & Homes. Crap, twice in he Red
Zone he threw behind Holmes when Holmes was open & continued his
route. There are guys open. Sanchez isn't seeing them & he isn't
getting it to them.
As for the cute stuff & over thinking, I personally like the motion &
think they should use more. In this group I am in the minority. As
for letting him off the leash. I think Rex would find you & bitte
your toes off if he heard you say that.
Think about this. Sanchez doesn't throw the pick, & even if he didn't
throw so many incomplete passes, that game is a cakewalk. We get on
track & he takes us off track so play calling, namely running the
ball, has to take a back seat to scoring not a go ahead TD but a game
tying one.
As always I could be wrong but maybe the tape Rex is seeing is
validating the decision on Schott.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Right now I'm accepting to forget about the design of the offense. Why?
Because Vince L. could not design an offense that would win with the level
of execution being shown here now. So...who is responsible for a lot of
things that almost always go back to coaching? The coaches of course.
There is no discipline on offense....and it seems to be getting worse. The
QB has no recogniton anymore...it's time for the O staff to move on. If
they replace them with good people and they get better, problem solved, if
they are the same...too bad...the players can't play.
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 12:45 pm
From: MZ
On Nov 28, 12:37 pm, Harlan Lachman <har...@eeivt.com> wrote:
> In article
> <0d9f7302-ee9e-40e8-abdb-8762afef7...@u10g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > or does the mike get turned off at some point
>
> Yes it does. For some reasons, 20 seconds seems like close.
>
> h
I'm pretty sure it's 15 seconds, by rule. Whether this is implemented
correctly is another story.
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TOPIC: Beware, the "Sanchez Rectangle"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8259077d99e4c340?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 8:37 am
From: Michael
You've heard of the Bermuda Triangle… Now get ready for…. "The Sanchez
Rectangle"
It is the dreaded area of the field between the numbers, over the
linebackers and underneath the safeties. Passes lose their way and
get gobbled up by shadowy, mysterious defenders that appear out of an
eerie mist.
After some study and consideration, I have concluded once and for all,
exactly what Sanchez's primary problem is. It is a combination of his
height, relatively low release point and his inability to read and
account for the defense pre-snap. Unlike some other QB's of modest
stature like Breese, Sanchez has not yet figured out how to evaluate
the coverage pre-snap and judge what defenders will be doing inside of
the dreaded "Sanchez Rectangle". He can not see the field there
during a play, nor does he have the judgment to compensate for his
limited vision.
No doubt, Schotty knows about this, and it puts kinks in the game
plan.
IMHO, this is the big problem with Sanchez…
Beware, The Sanchez Rectangle….
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 10:26 am
From: John C TX
On Nov 28, 10:37 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
> You've heard of the Bermuda Triangle… Now get ready for…. "The Sanchez
> Rectangle"
>
> It is the dreaded area of the field between the numbers, over the
> linebackers and underneath the safeties. Passes lose their way and
> get gobbled up by shadowy, mysterious defenders that appear out of an
> eerie mist.
>
> After some study and consideration, I have concluded once and for all,
> exactly what Sanchez's primary problem is. It is a combination of his
> height, relatively low release point and his inability to read and
> account for the defense pre-snap. Unlike some other QB's of modest
> stature like Breese, Sanchez has not yet figured out how to evaluate
> the coverage pre-snap and judge what defenders will be doing inside of
> the dreaded "Sanchez Rectangle". He can not see the field there
> during a play, nor does he have the judgment to compensate for his
> limited vision.
>
> No doubt, Schotty knows about this, and it puts kinks in the game
> plan.
The obvious question is why call the play & why throw the pass. In
listening to Sanchez after the game & talking about the winning TD &
how he is coached to remember when he is running e is still a passer
first & to look. So there is some coaching on what to do but if you
look at this:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/09000d5d8248112f/Bills-defense-INT
two TE's to the left one is Ducasse & one is F---ing Mulligan, why? A
good example of why losing Cumerland hurt. He is a big body but he
played WR in college. How about this? How about at least Keller out
there so they have to cover the pass? How about two real TE's & no
Ducasse
Now Sanchez never looked at Mulligan who he could have dumped off to
w/ a small possibility of a problem but he was so locked onto Holmes.
You mean to tell me that there is no TE out there that can not jump
off sides & can catch a 5 yard pass? I am actually missing Hartsock.
>
> IMHO, this is the big problem with Sanchez…
>
> Beware, The Sanchez Rectangle….
I blame everyone on this play from Tanny to Sanchez.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 10:35 am
From: Michael
On Nov 28, 1:26 pm, John C TX <johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 10:37 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > You've heard of the Bermuda Triangle… Now get ready for…. "The Sanchez
> > Rectangle"
>
> > It is the dreaded area of the field between the numbers, over the
> > linebackers and underneath the safeties. Passes lose their way and
> > get gobbled up by shadowy, mysterious defenders that appear out of an
> > eerie mist.
>
> > After some study and consideration, I have concluded once and for all,
> > exactly what Sanchez's primary problem is. It is a combination of his
> > height, relatively low release point and his inability to read and
> > account for the defense pre-snap. Unlike some other QB's of modest
> > stature like Breese, Sanchez has not yet figured out how to evaluate
> > the coverage pre-snap and judge what defenders will be doing inside of
> > the dreaded "Sanchez Rectangle". He can not see the field there
> > during a play, nor does he have the judgment to compensate for his
> > limited vision.
>
> > No doubt, Schotty knows about this, and it puts kinks in the game
> > plan.
>
> The obvious question is why call the play & why throw the pass. In
> listening to Sanchez after the game & talking about the winning TD &
> how he is coached to remember when he is running e is still a passer
> first & to look. So there is some coaching on what to do but if you
> look at this:
>
> http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-jets/09000d5d8248112f/Bills-defens...
>
> two TE's to the left one is Ducasse & one is F---ing Mulligan, why? A
> good example of why losing Cumerland hurt. He is a big body but he
> played WR in college. How about this? How about at least Keller out
> there so they have to cover the pass? How about two real TE's & no
> Ducasse
>
> Now Sanchez never looked at Mulligan who he could have dumped off to
> w/ a small possibility of a problem but he was so locked onto Holmes.
> You mean to tell me that there is no TE out there that can not jump
> off sides & can catch a 5 yard pass? I am actually missing Hartsock.
>
>
>
> > IMHO, this is the big problem with Sanchez…
>
> > Beware, The Sanchez Rectangle….
>
> I blame everyone on this play from Tanny to Sanchez.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Jets seem to have focused on improving the roster from the outside
in. The O-line was neglected, TE was not considered, but they sure
did wrap up the number two CB after Nnamdi fell through, secure a hand
full of other db's and they locked down their two WR's.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:19 am
From: "Papa Carl"
"Michael" <mjd1966@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:2243ec92-5057-4270-a4e5-d422571a41fb@y6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
You've heard of the Bermuda Triangle… Now get ready for…. "The Sanchez
Rectangle"
It is the dreaded area of the field between the numbers, over the
linebackers and underneath the safeties. Passes lose their way and
get gobbled up by shadowy, mysterious defenders that appear out of an
eerie mist.
After some study and consideration, I have concluded once and for all,
exactly what Sanchez's primary problem is. It is a combination of his
height, relatively low release point and his inability to read and
account for the defense pre-snap. Unlike some other QB's of modest
stature like Breese, Sanchez has not yet figured out how to evaluate
the coverage pre-snap and judge what defenders will be doing inside of
the dreaded "Sanchez Rectangle". He can not see the field there
during a play, nor does he have the judgment to compensate for his
limited vision.
No doubt, Schotty knows about this, and it puts kinks in the game
plan.
IMHO, this is the big problem with Sanchez…
Beware, The Sanchez Rectangle….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I think you have made some good observations....so why not get him on the
perimeter regularly? Oh...they don't have the O line to do that...bad
planning all around.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 11:30 am
From: Michael
On Nov 28, 2:19 pm, "Papa Carl" <papa.c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Michael" <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:2243ec92-5057-4270-a4e5-d422571a41fb@y6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> You've heard of the Bermuda Triangle… Now get ready for…. "The Sanchez
> Rectangle"
>
> It is the dreaded area of the field between the numbers, over the
> linebackers and underneath the safeties. Passes lose their way and
> get gobbled up by shadowy, mysterious defenders that appear out of an
> eerie mist.
>
> After some study and consideration, I have concluded once and for all,
> exactly what Sanchez's primary problem is. It is a combination of his
> height, relatively low release point and his inability to read and
> account for the defense pre-snap. Unlike some other QB's of modest
> stature like Breese, Sanchez has not yet figured out how to evaluate
> the coverage pre-snap and judge what defenders will be doing inside of
> the dreaded "Sanchez Rectangle". He can not see the field there
> during a play, nor does he have the judgment to compensate for his
> limited vision.
>
> No doubt, Schotty knows about this, and it puts kinks in the game
> plan.
>
> IMHO, this is the big problem with Sanchez…
>
> Beware, The Sanchez Rectangle….
>
> I think you have made some good observations....so why not get him on the
> perimeter regularly? Oh...they don't have the O line to do that...bad
> planning all around.
yeppers... that line is not very slick.
also consider... for now, i would avoid any sort of crossing pattern
or deep slant in the "Sanchez Rectangle". Do more of what Breese does
between the numbers and under the safties... Go routs, hitch and go
routs, curl-in... From a QB's prospective, in that case, you only have
to account for one dimension... shallow to deep timing alone... no
side to side judgements to make.
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TOPIC: Norv Turner as OC?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/d3bfc5b7ee403957?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:49 am
From: "yoyodog"
With San Diego's season in the tank and Norv Turner's job in jeopardy would
you go after him to replace Schotty?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 9:57 am
From: Michael
On Nov 28, 12:49 pm, "yoyodog" <connarchNOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> With San Diego's season in the tank and Norv Turner's job in jeopardy would
> you go after him to replace Schotty?
yes... no question about it... i would never take norv as a hc, but
i'd take him as an oc in a split second...
would norv consider going to the jets after the sligh rex made ???
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TOPIC: good win
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/5c128b05afceb438?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 28 2011 12:47 pm
From: Percy Flage
On 28/11/2011 00:52, Ray O'Hara wrote:
> by beating the Bill's you kept the Pats in 1st with a 3 game lead.
> good going.
All the pundits say "The path to the Superbowl is through New England".
That's fine.
--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."
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