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* ESPN's Very Own Instigator Reports On Revis... - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6feabc6c06130833?hl=en
* Jets Trade For Offensive Tackle Jeff Otah - 14 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3a29ed9b1237da77?hl=en
* You Ingrate BASTARDS !!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/8f3a45f251a035d6?hl=en
* Jets won't re-sign Jim Leonhard - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/ba5e5ea1c79f6107?hl=en
* FOR YOU GIANTS TROLLS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/48067d41efa62cb7?hl=en
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TOPIC: ESPN's Very Own Instigator Reports On Revis...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/6feabc6c06130833?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 6:52 am
From:
mjd1966@verizon.net
On Monday, July 23, 2012 7:02:29 PM UTC-4, Drumrboy wrote:
> On Jul 23, 10:30 am, John C TX &
lt;johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:48:10 AM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> > > 1050 ESPN Sports Radio announcing that Cimini reports that Revis will indeed report to camp along with the rest of the team.
> >
> > > And was it not Cimini that started the whole thing to begin with ???
> >
> > agreed...Cimini is sadly about hits to the ESPN website....Every negative piece he writes gets Jet fans but also idiot Pats & Giants fans who gauge their existence by how bad the Jets are doing.
>
> News flash: Giant fans don't give two shits about what your second
> rate team does until the week before they're team stomps your sorry
> ass team.
>
> It's a Super Bowl winning thingy....
> Jut saying....
I don't know if you go to any Giants games, but if you do, please be kind enough to bring a can of Easy-Off with you the next time you go a game. Since we are generous enough to let you pigs borrow JetLife Stadium for your home games, the least you can do is remember to clean your filth off the seats with oven cleaner before you leave.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 6:00 pm
From: Drumrboy
On Jul 24, 9:23 am, John C TX <
johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, July 23, 2012 6:02:29 PM UTC-5, Drumrboy wrote:
> > On Jul 23, 10:30 am, John C TX &
lt;johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:48:10 AM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> > > > 1050 ESPN Sports Radio announcing that Cimini reports that Revis will indeed report to camp along with the rest of the team.
> > >
> > > > And was it not Cimini that started the whole thing to begin with ???
> > >
> > > agreed...Cimini is sadly about hits to the ESPN website....Every negative piece he writes gets Jet fans but also idiot Pats & Giants fans who gauge their existence by how bad the Jets are doing.
>
> > News flash: Giant fans don't give two shits about what your second
> > rate team does until the week before they're team stomps your sorry
> > ass team.
>
> > It's a Super Bowl winning thingy....
> > Jut saying....
>
> Really, so that is why you are showing up, reading & then responding to a post about the Jets?
Was it the Super Bowl crack or the fact that Giant fans don't give a
flying fuck abut your sorry ass team that got your panties all bunched
up?
Just curious....
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 10:41 pm
From: Johnny Morongo
On 7/24/2012 6:00 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:23 am, John C TX <
johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, July 23, 2012 6:02:29 PM UTC-5, Drumrboy wrote:
>>> On Jul 23, 10:30 am, John C TX &
lt;johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:48:10 AM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
>>> > > 1050 ESPN Sports Radio announcing that Cimini reports that Revis will indeed report to camp along with the rest of the team.
>>> >
>>> > > And was it not Cimini that started the whole thing to begin with ???
>>> >
>>> > agreed...Cimini is sadly about hits to the ESPN website....Every negative piece he writes gets Jet fans but also idiot Pats & Giants fans who gauge their existence by how bad the Jets are doing.
>>
>>> News flash: Giant fans don't give two shits about what your second
>>> rate team does until the week before they're team stomps your sorry
>>> ass team.
>>
>>> It's a Super Bowl winning thingy....
>>> Jut saying....
>>
>> Really, so that is why you are showing up, reading & then responding to a post about the Jets?
>
> Was it the Super Bowl crack or the fact that Giant fans don't give a
> flying fuck abut your sorry ass team that got your panties all bunched
> up?
>
> Just curious....
>
But you still haven't answered his question have you, drum BOY, you
pathetic, gloating child. And oh yeah, after you wipe that stupid
self-congratulatory grin off your face, go stick your drumsticks up yer
arse. It'll be more action than you've had for your entire lonely,
pathetic life.
But do keep coming back. We love ass hole trolls.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2012 6:04 am
From: John C TX
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:00:57 PM UTC-5, Drumrboy wrote:
> On Jul 24, 9:23 am, John C TX &
lt;johnctxj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, July 23, 2012 6:02:29 PM UTC-5, Drumrboy wrote:
> > > On Jul 23, 10:30 am, John C TX &
amp;lt;johnctxj...@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > > &gt; On Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:48:10 AM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> > > &gt; &gt; 1050 ESPN Sports Radio announcing that Cimini reports that Revis will indeed report to camp along with the rest of the team.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; And was it not Cimini that started the whole thing to begin with ???
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt; agreed...Cimini is sadly about hits to the ESPN website....Every negative piece he writes gets Jet fans but also idiot Pats &amp; Giants fans who gauge their existence by how bad the Jets are doing.
> >
> > > News flash: Giant fans don&#39;t give two shits about what your second
> > > rate team does until the week before they&#39;re team stomps your sorry
> > > ass team.
> >
> > > It&#39;s a Super Bowl winning thingy....
> > > Jut saying....
> >
> > Really, so that is why you are showing up, reading & then responding to a post about the Jets?
>
> Was it the Super Bowl crack or the fact that Giant fans don't give a
> flying fuck abut your sorry ass team that got your panties all bunched
> up?
>
> Just curious....
You know Shirley I ignored the part where you wrote "just saying" are you on The View? Who says "just saying?"
Like I wrote. If you don't care about the Jets then why are you in here? If you can't help but read my crap then you obviously only proved my point about Cimini.
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TOPIC: Jets Trade For Offensive Tackle Jeff Otah
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.ny-jets/t/3a29ed9b1237da77?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 6:54 am
From:
mjd1966@verizon.net
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:18:08 AM UTC-4, John C TX wrote:
> On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> >
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/Jets-Trade-with-Panthers-for-T-Jeff-Otah/7e68e9f4-4ac2-451f-bec2-abbdea63bb21
> >
> > &quot;The New York Jets have acquired tackle Jeff Otah in a trade with the Carolina Panthers for an undisclosed conditional draft choice. The announcement was made by general manager Mike Tannenbaum.
> >
> > Otah (6&#39;6&quot;, 340) initially entered the NFL as a first-round selection (19th overall) of the Panthers in 2008. In four seasons with Carolina, Otah started all 29 games that he played. Last season, he started four of the first five games before he was inactive at Atlanta on Oct. 16 and placed on injured reserve with a knee injury three days later.
> >
> > In his first two seasons, Otah started 25 of a possible 32 games at right tackle, helping the Panthers establish team highs in rushing yards both seasons. In 2009 he blocked for running backs DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart as the pair became the first set of teammates in NFL history to each rush for more than 1,100 yards in the same season.&quot;
>
> Maybe the confidence in Hunter isn't all that great?
>
> :)
>
> He is a free agent so maybe he works his ass off. It would have been nice to have him in the earlier camps.
I dont even know what his medical status is... He's been hampered by injuries since he came into the league... Is that knee injury healed or is he still in the middle of a re-hab ?
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 6:48 am
From: John C TX
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:18:08 AM UTC-5, John C TX wrote:
> On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> >
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/Jets-Trade-with-Panthers-for-T-Jeff-Otah/7e68e9f4-4ac2-451f-bec2-abbdea63bb21
> >
> > &quot;The New York Jets have acquired tackle Jeff Otah in a trade with the Carolina Panthers for an undisclosed conditional draft choice. The announcement was made by general manager Mike Tannenbaum.
> >
> > Otah (6&#39;6&quot;, 340) initially entered the NFL as a first-round selection (19th overall) of the Panthers in 2008. In four seasons with Carolina, Otah started all 29 games that he played. Last season, he started four of the first five games before he was inactive at Atlanta on Oct. 16 and placed on injured reserve with a knee injury three days later.
> >
> > In his first two seasons, Otah started 25 of a possible 32 games at right tackle, helping the Panthers establish team highs in rushing yards both seasons. In 2009 he blocked for running backs DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart as the pair became the first set of teammates in NFL history to each rush for more than 1,100 yards in the same season.&quot;
>
> Maybe the confidence in Hunter isn't all that great?
>
> :)
>
> He is a free agent so maybe he works his ass off. It would have been nice to have him in the earlier camps.
This written by a fan.What is interesting is how he leads off. This is a smart move in that worst case we cut him & we are no worse off than we were. If he works out then it makes sense as well.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-jeff-otah-jets-trade-addition-subtraction-carolina-031700795--nfl.html
If you had told any knowledgeable Carolina Panthers fans back in 2009 that Jeff Otah would be traded in 2012 for a cup of coffee, not a single one of them would have believed it. The guy was simply a beast that seemed totally unstoppable. He was the ultimate force for a running game that was ready to explode with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. At times, the guy would leave holes so wide that I think I might have been able to hit them in my prime.
As a huge Panthers fan, I have hoped for two years that Otah would recover from the repeated knee problems he suffered from. This was supposed to be the year...again. After another bitterly disappointing lead in to training camp, the Panthers finally cut ties with the big man. I actually find myself relieved in some ways.
When a player becomes a constant liability for any reason, you have to consider cutting ties with them. Jeff Otah was becoming a liability for a number of reasons.
He was starting to get a "soft" label, though that could be purely press driven. The fact is, he has been fighting off the same knee injury for what has become years now. That is a financial liability for the Panthers.
He has been a liability for planning purposes as well. Every season he was penciled in at right tackle and every season he ended up unable to play in the end. That messed around with draft pick needs, planning and even the advancement of other talent.
Otah was a liability in the locker room indirectly, if not directly. I have played football and been around many locker rooms and this type of thing can become a problem. Otah seems to have been well respected, but I guarantee the other offensive linemen got sick of the on again off again expectation of playing time. When a guy takes far longer than usual to recover from an injury, you have to question things.
The truth is, Otah is a huge man and does not have the typical situation. His knees are carrying a massive amount of weight around. Perhaps his injury is really not healing properly for those reasons. Whatever the case, Otah is still a liability from a business and fan's standpoint.
Jeff Otah is not your average guy and the New York Jets certainly were smart to pursue him. They got him for next to nothing, so if he pulls through for them and fixes that knee, he will be a huge asset. The fact remains, however, that the Carolina Panthers are better off now. They can move ahead with a modicum of certainty about their line and plan accordingly.
*Southern is a huge Carolina Panthers fan that is convinced that he will see a Super Bowl Trophy in Charlotte within five years.
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 7:04 am
From: "papacarl"
wrote in message
news:ae728273-18f9-4ff1-bd0e-9c25fc727545@googlegroups.com...
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/Jets-Trade-with-Panthers-for-T-Jeff-Otah/7e68e9f4-4ac2-451f-bec2-abbdea63bb21
"The New York Jets have acquired tackle Jeff Otah in a trade with the
Carolina Panthers for an undisclosed conditional draft choice. The
announcement was made by general manager Mike Tannenbaum.
Otah (6'6", 340) initially entered the NFL as a first-round selection (19th
overall) of the Panthers in 2008. In four seasons with Carolina, Otah
started all 29 games that he played. Last season, he started four of the
first five games before he was inactive at Atlanta on Oct. 16 and placed on
injured reserve with a knee injury three days later.
In his first two seasons, Otah started 25 of a possible 32 games at right
tackle, helping the Panthers establish team highs in rushing yards both
seasons. In 2009 he blocked for running backs DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan
Stewart as the pair became the first set of teammates in NFL history to each
rush for more than 1,100 yards in the same season."
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Good....a little late, but good.
== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 8:28 am
From:
mjd1966@verizon.net
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:48:44 AM UTC-4, John C TX wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:18:08 AM UTC-5, John C TX wrote:
> > On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> > &gt;
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/Jets-Trade-with-Panthers-for-T-Jeff-Otah/7e68e9f4-4ac2-451f-bec2-abbdea63bb21
> > &gt;
> > &gt; &amp;quot;The New York Jets have acquired tackle Jeff Otah in a trade with the Carolina Panthers for an undisclosed conditional draft choice. The announcement was made by general manager Mike Tannenbaum.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Otah (6&amp;#39;6&amp;quot;, 340) initially entered the NFL as a first-round selection (19th overall) of the Panthers in 2008. In four seasons with Carolina, Otah started all 29 games that he played. Last season, he started four of the first five games before he was inactive at Atlanta on Oct. 16 and placed on injured reserve with a knee injury three days later.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; In his first two seasons, Otah started 25 of a possible 32 games at right tackle, helping the Panthers establish team highs in rushing yards both seasons. In 2009 he blocked for running backs DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart as the pair became the first set of teammates in NFL history to each rush for more than 1,100 yards in the same season.&amp;quot;
> >
> > Maybe the confidence in Hunter isn&#39;t all that great?
> >
> > :)
> >
> > He is a free agent so maybe he works his ass off. It would have been nice to have him in the earlier camps.
>
>
> This written by a fan.What is interesting is how he leads off. This is a smart move in that worst case we cut him & we are no worse off than we were. If he works out then it makes sense as well.
>
>
>
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-jeff-otah-jets-trade-addition-subtraction-carolina-031700795--nfl.html
>
>
> If you had told any knowledgeable Carolina Panthers fans back in 2009 that Jeff Otah would be traded in 2012 for a cup of coffee, not a single one of them would have believed it. The guy was simply a beast that seemed totally unstoppable. He was the ultimate force for a running game that was ready to explode with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. At times, the guy would leave holes so wide that I think I might have been able to hit them in my prime.
>
>
> As a huge Panthers fan, I have hoped for two years that Otah would recover from the repeated knee problems he suffered from. This was supposed to be the year...again. After another bitterly disappointing lead in to training camp, the Panthers finally cut ties with the big man. I actually find myself relieved in some ways.
>
>
> When a player becomes a constant liability for any reason, you have to consider cutting ties with them. Jeff Otah was becoming a liability for a number of reasons.
>
>
> He was starting to get a "soft" label, though that could be purely press driven. The fact is, he has been fighting off the same knee injury for what has become years now. That is a financial liability for the Panthers.
>
>
> He has been a liability for planning purposes as well. Every season he was penciled in at right tackle and every season he ended up unable to play in the end. That messed around with draft pick needs, planning and even the advancement of other talent.
>
>
> Otah was a liability in the locker room indirectly, if not directly. I have played football and been around many locker rooms and this type of thing can become a problem. Otah seems to have been well respected, but I guarantee the other offensive linemen got sick of the on again off again expectation of playing time. When a guy takes far longer than usual to recover from an injury, you have to question things.
>
>
> The truth is, Otah is a huge man and does not have the typical situation. His knees are carrying a massive amount of weight around. Perhaps his injury is really not healing properly for those reasons. Whatever the case, Otah is still a liability from a business and fan's standpoint.
>
>
> Jeff Otah is not your average guy and the New York Jets certainly were smart to pursue him. They got him for next to nothing, so if he pulls through for them and fixes that knee, he will be a huge asset. The fact remains, however, that the Carolina Panthers are better off now. They can move ahead with a modicum of certainty about their line and plan accordingly.
>
>
>
> *Southern is a huge Carolina Panthers fan that is convinced that he will see a Super Bowl Trophy in Charlotte within five years.
thank you for posting... this is a help... still leaves me with important questions... i could seach the web, but may be other posters in here already know the details.
The two important questions are:
1. Yes, I know it is a "knee" but what about the knee ??? What exactly ??? Ligaments ??? One or both... Torn or sprained... Have they been repaired ???
2. What is is current diagnosis/prognosis ??? Is he currently in the middle of of a rehab or is he ready to join camp and work out ???
Also nice to know... Laron Landry was put in the PUP list.
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 9:46 am
From: "papacarl"
wrote in message
news:4e490832-e7a1-4727-a225-0f4eb7593c39@googlegroups.com...
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:48:44 AM UTC-4, John C TX wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:18:08 AM UTC-5, John C TX wrote:
> > On Monday, July 23, 2012 8:57:14 PM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> > &gt;
>
http://www.newyorkjets.com/news/article-1/Jets-Trade-with-Panthers-for-T-Jeff-Otah/7e68e9f4-4ac2-451f-bec2-abbdea63bb21
> > &gt;
> > &gt; &amp;quot;The New York Jets have acquired tackle Jeff
> Otah in a trade with the Carolina Panthers for an undisclosed conditional
> draft choice. The announcement was made by general manager Mike
> Tannenbaum.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Otah (6&amp;#39;6&amp;quot;, 340) initially entered
> the NFL as a first-round selection (19th overall) of the Panthers in 2008.
> In four seasons with Carolina, Otah started all 29 games that he played.
> Last season, he started four of the first five games before he was
> inactive at Atlanta on Oct. 16 and placed on injured reserve with a knee
> injury three days later.
> > &gt;
> > &gt; In his first two seasons, Otah started 25 of a possible 32
> games at right tackle, helping the Panthers establish team highs in
> rushing yards both seasons. In 2009 he blocked for running backs DeAngelo
> Williams and Jonathan Stewart as the pair became the first set of
> teammates in NFL history to each rush for more than 1,100 yards in the
> same season.&amp;quot;
> >
> > Maybe the confidence in Hunter isn&#39;t all that great?
> >
> > :)
> >
> > He is a free agent so maybe he works his ass off. It would have been
> nice to have him in the earlier camps.
>
>
> This written by a fan.What is interesting is how he leads off. This is a
> smart move in that worst case we cut him & we are no worse off than we
> were. If he works out then it makes sense as well.
>
>
>
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-jeff-otah-jets-trade-addition-subtraction-carolina-031700795--nfl.html
>
>
> If you had told any knowledgeable Carolina Panthers fans back in 2009 that
> Jeff Otah would be traded in 2012 for a cup of coffee, not a single one of
> them would have believed it. The guy was simply a beast that seemed
> totally unstoppable. He was the ultimate force for a running game that was
> ready to explode with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. At times,
> the guy would leave holes so wide that I think I might have been able to
> hit them in my prime.
>
>
> As a huge Panthers fan, I have hoped for two years that Otah would
> recover from the repeated knee problems he suffered from. This was
> supposed to be the year...again. After another bitterly disappointing lead
> in to training camp, the Panthers finally cut ties with the big man. I
> actually find myself relieved in some ways.
>
>
> When a player becomes a constant liability for any reason, you have to
> consider cutting ties with them. Jeff Otah was becoming a liability for a
> number of reasons.
>
>
> He was starting to get a "soft" label, though that could be
> purely press driven. The fact is, he has been fighting off the same knee
> injury for what has become years now. That is a financial liability for
> the Panthers.
>
>
> He has been a liability for planning purposes as well. Every season he
> was penciled in at right tackle and every season he ended up unable to
> play in the end. That messed around with draft pick needs, planning and
> even the advancement of other talent.
>
>
> Otah was a liability in the locker room indirectly, if not directly. I
> have played football and been around many locker rooms and this type of
> thing can become a problem. Otah seems to have been well respected, but I
> guarantee the other offensive linemen got sick of the on again off again
> expectation of playing time. When a guy takes far longer than usual to
> recover from an injury, you have to question things.
>
>
> The truth is, Otah is a huge man and does not have the typical situation.
> His knees are carrying a massive amount of weight around. Perhaps his
> injury is really not healing properly for those reasons. Whatever the
> case, Otah is still a liability from a business and fan's standpoint.
>
>
> Jeff Otah is not your average guy and the New York Jets certainly were
> smart to pursue him. They got him for next to nothing, so if he pulls
> through for them and fixes that knee, he will be a huge asset. The fact
> remains, however, that the Carolina Panthers are better off now. They can
> move ahead with a modicum of certainty about their line and plan
> accordingly.
>
>
>
> *Southern is a huge Carolina Panthers fan that is convinced that he will
> see a Super Bowl Trophy in Charlotte within five years.
thank you for posting... this is a help... still leaves me with important
questions... i could seach the web, but may be other posters in here already
know the details.
The two important questions are:
1. Yes, I know it is a "knee" but what about the knee ??? What exactly ???
Ligaments ??? One or both... Torn or sprained... Have they been repaired ???
2. What is is current diagnosis/prognosis ??? Is he currently in the middle
of of a rehab or is he ready to join camp and work out ???
Also nice to know... Laron Landry was put in the PUP list.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Oh great....wonderful decisions...they cut Leonhard and an added safety
can't play....very good work.
== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 4:15 pm
From: MZ
It's early. This is the PUP list that doesn't matter. They come off at any time. It makes sense to put any player whose return is not immediate (ie. within a week) on PUP.
The "real" PUP list comes later.
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 5:04 pm
From: "papacarl"
"MZ" wrote in message
news:10848a06-2dc3-4469-b7a1-d4302181d3d0@googlegroups.com...
It's early. This is the PUP list that doesn't matter. They come off at any
time. It makes sense to put any player whose return is not immediate (ie.
within a week) on PUP.
The "real" PUP list comes later.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks...I sort of knew that...but they are still taking a huge gamble on
this guy I think. He has some serious injury issues. BB has the knack of
getting lesser D backs to play...as great as Rex is at scheming he seems to
need much better talent to get some things done. I still think the safety
play for the last couple of seasons has looked worse than it is because of
what is happening up front or not happening actually.
== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 6:47 pm
From: MZ
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:04:19 PM UTC-4, papacarl wrote:
> "MZ" wrote in message
> news:10848a06-2dc3-4469-b7a1-d4302181d3d0@googlegroups.com...
>
> It's early. This is the PUP list that doesn't matter. They come off at any
> time. It makes sense to put any player whose return is not immediate (ie.
> within a week) on PUP.
>
> The "real" PUP list comes later.
> ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Thanks...I sort of knew that...but they are still taking a huge gamble on
> this guy I think. He has some serious injury issues. BB has the knack of
> getting lesser D backs to play...as great as Rex is at scheming he seems to
> need much better talent to get some things done. I still think the safety
> play for the last couple of seasons has looked worse than it is because of
> what is happening up front or not happening actually.
Rex's defenses have beaten the crap out of New England's defenses, and I don't think Rex has had exceedingly more talent. BB can't hold a candle to Rex as a defensive schemer. As a head coach on the other hand...
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 8:24 pm
From:
mjd1966@verizon.net
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:47:58 PM UTC-4, MZ wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:04:19 PM UTC-4, papacarl wrote:
> > &quot;MZ&quot; wrote in message
> > news:10848a06-2dc3-4469-b7a1-d4302181d3d0@googlegroups.com...
> >
> > It&#39;s early. This is the PUP list that doesn&#39;t matter. They come off at any
> > time. It makes sense to put any player whose return is not immediate (ie.
> > within a week) on PUP.
> >
> > The &quot;real&quot; PUP list comes later.
> > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Thanks...I sort of knew that...but they are still taking a huge gamble on
> > this guy I think. He has some serious injury issues. BB has the knack of
> > getting lesser D backs to play...as great as Rex is at scheming he seems to
> > need much better talent to get some things done. I still think the safety
> > play for the last couple of seasons has looked worse than it is because of
> > what is happening up front or not happening actually.
>
> Rex's defenses have beaten the crap out of New England's defenses, and I don't think Rex has had exceedingly more talent. BB can't hold a candle to Rex as a defensive schemer. As a head coach on the other hand...
Mark... As far as how BB and Rex will stack-up as head coaches... It is way too soon to make that call. Consider what people thought of BB his first three seaons as a HC and then what people thik of Rex at this three season juncture. Rex wins hands down. Also... They are not the same style of HC. With BB it is his show... With Rex, it is his defensive show... As HC that *CAN* be OK if you pick the right people to run the other half of the team.
As far as talent level... BB had a good cookie cutter defense that worked well. Play the run on 1st and 2nd with a read and react two gap 34, then go balls out one gap 43 after forcing 3rd and long. What the problem is now, is he does not have the front seven he did in years gone by. The LB corps especially. It seems to me now, that BB has tossed that old scheme out and has taken a lesson from the defense that beat him in the superbowl twice. A one gap 43 with four defensive ends :-) IMHO... That defense sucks unless you play the pats 18 times a year :-)
As far as what Rex does on defense... Some coaches make adjustments at half time.... On the defensive side of the ball, Rex makes adjustments from play to play and drive to drive. In all my years as a fan, his defensive play calling and schemeing is the most complex and impressive. Thus far, he only fucked up wiht the absolute worst call once... That being, the all out blitz vs. Tebow and the option that lead to a Denver TD. That single bad call, IMHO cost them their post season last year. Who calls an all out blitz vs the option ????
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 8:28 pm
From:
mjd1966@verizon.net
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:04:19 PM UTC-4, papacarl wrote:
> "MZ" wrote in message
> news:10848a06-2dc3-4469-b7a1-d4302181d3d0@googlegroups.com...
>
> It's early. This is the PUP list that doesn't matter. They come off at any
> time. It makes sense to put any player whose return is not immediate (ie.
> within a week) on PUP.
>
> The "real" PUP list comes later.
> ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Thanks...I sort of knew that...but they are still taking a huge gamble on
> this guy I think. He has some serious injury issues. BB has the knack of
> getting lesser D backs to play...as great as Rex is at scheming he seems to
> need much better talent to get some things done. I still think the safety
> play for the last couple of seasons has looked worse than it is because of
> what is happening up front or not happening actually.
Papa... Yes.. HUGE gamble... Not in money, but in their season. Landry has crapped out every year... No reason to expext he wont crap out again. Just look at the dude... What is he taking ??? HGH ??? His connecting tissues and joints cant handle his muscle strenght.
Dig this... If Landry craps out, the Jets starting safties will be Erick Smith and Bell... Tight ends will feast as usual... But may be one of the new guys they drafted will surprise us... Who knows...
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 8:36 pm
From: "papacarl"
"MZ" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:04:19 PM UTC-4, papacarl wrote:
> "MZ" wrote in message
> news:10848a06-2dc3-4469-b7a1-d4302181d3d0@googlegroups.com...
>
> It's early. This is the PUP list that doesn't matter. They come
> off at any
> time. It makes sense to put any player whose return is not immediate (ie.
> within a week) on PUP.
>
> The "real" PUP list comes later.
> ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Thanks...I sort of knew that...but they are still taking a huge gamble on
> this guy I think. He has some serious injury issues. BB has the knack of
> getting lesser D backs to play...as great as Rex is at scheming he seems
> to
> need much better talent to get some things done. I still think the safety
> play for the last couple of seasons has looked worse than it is because of
> what is happening up front or not happening actually.
Rex's defenses have beaten the crap out of New England's defenses, and I
don't think Rex has had exceedingly more talent. BB can't hold a candle to
Rex as a defensive schemer. As a head coach on the other hand...
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I said, Rex has it all as the defensive schemer...that was my point.
But...I think Rex has had the top level D backs as far as his corners are
concerned. Revis is the best there is, and Cromartie is pretty damn good.
BB can take an O player and get him to perform back there in situations.
Rex has not had good luck and I think a lot of those issues especially with
safeties has been driven by what is happening in front of them. The
safeties have had way too much run responsibility and there would be no pass
rush if it were not for LB's and Rex's schemes. As a head coach...it is not
even a contest, BB wins hands down.
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 8:39 pm
From: "papacarl"
wrote in message
news:413b4896-ae88-48a1-bdb2-7cafdcc5475c@googlegroups.com...
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:04:19 PM UTC-4, papacarl wrote:
> "MZ" wrote in message
> news:10848a06-2dc3-4469-b7a1-d4302181d3d0@googlegroups.com...
>
> It's early. This is the PUP list that doesn't matter. They come
> off at any
> time. It makes sense to put any player whose return is not immediate (ie.
> within a week) on PUP.
>
> The "real" PUP list comes later.
> ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Thanks...I sort of knew that...but they are still taking a huge gamble on
> this guy I think. He has some serious injury issues. BB has the knack of
> getting lesser D backs to play...as great as Rex is at scheming he seems
> to
> need much better talent to get some things done. I still think the safety
> play for the last couple of seasons has looked worse than it is because of
> what is happening up front or not happening actually.
Papa... Yes.. HUGE gamble... Not in money, but in their season. Landry has
crapped out every year... No reason to expext he wont crap out again. Just
look at the dude... What is he taking ??? HGH ??? His connecting tissues and
joints cant handle his muscle strenght.
Dig this... If Landry craps out, the Jets starting safties will be Erick
Smith and Bell... Tight ends will feast as usual... But may be one of the
new guys they drafted will surprise us... Who knows...
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Thank you...now do you see why I am far less than optimistic. I have NO
idea why they think Landry will be anything but another injured player. I
have to believe Rex still thinks that with the top corner combo in the
League he can scheme away bad talent elsewhere. I think guys like BB and a
few others have figured that out and will eat him alive.
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2012 5:50 am
From: John C TX
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:28:23 PM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:04:19 PM UTC-4, papacarl wrote:
> > &quot;MZ&quot; wrote in message
> > news:10848a06-2dc3-4469-b7a1-d4302181d3d0@googlegroups.com...
> >
> > It&#39;s early. This is the PUP list that doesn&#39;t matter. They come off at any
> > time. It makes sense to put any player whose return is not immediate (ie.
> > within a week) on PUP.
> >
> > The &quot;real&quot; PUP list comes later.
> > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Thanks...I sort of knew that...but they are still taking a huge gamble on
> > this guy I think. He has some serious injury issues. BB has the knack of
> > getting lesser D backs to play...as great as Rex is at scheming he seems to
> > need much better talent to get some things done. I still think the safety
> > play for the last couple of seasons has looked worse than it is because of
> > what is happening up front or not happening actually.
>
> Papa... Yes.. HUGE gamble... Not in money, but in their season. Landry has crapped out every year... No reason to expext he wont crap out again. Just look at the dude... What is he taking ??? HGH ??? His connecting tissues and joints cant handle his muscle strenght.
He played every game his first three years. He had groin injuries in the past & last year it was his hammie.
His rep at LSU was the king of HGH. He is a fanatic for lifting.
>
> Dig this... If Landry craps out, the Jets starting safties will be Erick Smith and Bell... Tight ends will feast as usual... But may be one of the new guys they drafted will surprise us... Who knows...
I think they started believing their own BS when they let Rhodes go. I was he better than Eric Smith?
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2012 6:36 am
From: John C TX
If Otah can play close to like he did in years 1 & 2 we will have a RT for the 1st time in years that doesn't need 2 TE's & a FB to block.
Woody sucked too.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 6:58 am
From: "papacarl"
wrote in message
news:1eee1a74-175d-4c22-bc72-29b227918347@googlegroups.com...
On Monday, July 23, 2012 6:08:36 PM UTC-4, papacarl wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:3172e21c-2da5-455c-a32b-1fcebae47d0b@googlegroups.com...
>
> I feel compelled to point out a few things... As a result of the
> disappointing 8-8 season last year, I have seen a lot of fans and people
> in
> the media turn on Rex Ryan. I MUST say... I find the people who have done
> this, especially Jets fans, to be a real disappointment.
>
> For those in the media that have done a bit of an about face on Rex, let
> me
> remind you, that Rex's fresh and forthcoming style gave them material
> the
> likes that you have never seen before. They were all for it, and they
> could
> not get enough of it. Also important to point out, that although Rex was
> "brag-a-docious" and had his great swagger, he was never
> caustic, unfriendly
> or malignant.
>
> And for the Jets fans that are calling him a buffoon, insisting that his
> mouth cost the team.... I gotta say this... Remember the Jets before Rex
> got
> there ??? Do you remember how the Jets went from a dud to a firebrand ???
> Do you remember how fast it happened ??? Remer what that defense became
> the
> second he showed up ??? Do you remember what kind of attention the Jets
> DID
> NOT get before Rex ??? How many nationally televised games did they get
> ???
> How many do they get now ??? Are the Jets not one of the most exciting and
> sexy teams to think about now ???
>
> Well... for those that are trashing Rex for his bluster... Guess what...
> It
> was NEEDED AND NECESSARY. We could not POSSIBLE have gotten the Jets we
> have now without all that Ryan did. You cant make such an omelet without
> breaking a few eggs.
>
> All that team was lacking was a real OC. Yep... That's right... How
> could
> you POSSIBLY blame or disparage Rex AT ALL considering what he did with
> the
> Jets, how fast he did it, and how tremendously skilled and experienced he
> is
> at teaching players and running a defense. Not to mention, how could fans
> turn on a coach that has been so much fun while completely remaking the
> face
> of a franchise.
>
> Now that the Jets have gotten rid of Charlatanheimer and replaced him with
> an ideal OC, I have a feeling those same fans and media pundits that are
> calling Rex a big mouth buffoon will be kissing his ass... VERY SOON.
>
> Do you have ANY idea what is about to unfold this season ??? Remember the
> 2009 and 2010 defense ??? Imagine that.... AND... Imagine that in synergy
> with a real offense and a system that fits your QB.
>
> I don't know who most deserves what is to come this season... The fans
> or
> Rex himself for all he has done for the Jets and the fans.
>
> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
> What has he done for me lately?????
malignant BASTARD !
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I heard that's what Leonhard said too.
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 11:30 am
From: Harlan Lachman
In article <
39ydnXj51JqWVJDNnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papacarl" <
papa.carl@notatverizon.net> wrote:
> I'd still
> rather have a guy who has shortness as the downfall but knows where to be,
Yes, but (I hate when folks do that to me) in two years one would think
a competent GM could find at least one fast, tall, safety , who knows
where is his supposed to be and can tackle -- especially given that the
team above us in our division has two, count em, two (or more if they
get Visante or Shockey) TE to create mismatches against our too slow
Eric Smith and too slow and short and oft injured Jim Leonhard.
I would rather have replaced Leonhard now with someone better. How come
Tanny cannot do that.
h
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 3:09 pm
From:
mjd1966@verizon.net
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:30:54 PM UTC-4, Harlan Lachman wrote:
> In article &
lt;39ydnXj51JqWVJDNnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papacarl" &
lt;papa.carl@notatverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I'd still
> > rather have a guy who has shortness as the downfall but knows where to be,
>
> Yes, but (I hate when folks do that to me) in two years one would think
> a competent GM could find at least one fast, tall, safety , who knows
> where is his supposed to be and can tackle -- especially given that the
> team above us in our division has two, count em, two (or more if they
> get Visante or Shockey) TE to create mismatches against our too slow
> Eric Smith and too slow and short and oft injured Jim Leonhard.
>
> I would rather have replaced Leonhard now with someone better. How come
> Tanny cannot do that.
>
> h
there was only one quality S in the draft this year... Mark Barron. He went before the Jets made their pick... Also... They did bring in Landry and the dude from Miami. Quality safties are not exactly falling out of the sky.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 3:15 pm
From: "papacarl"
"Harlan Lachman" wrote in message
news:harlan-8D9615.14305424072012@news60.forteinc.com...
In article <
39ydnXj51JqWVJDNnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papacarl" <
papa.carl@notatverizon.net> wrote:
> I'd still
> rather have a guy who has shortness as the downfall but knows where to be,
Yes, but (I hate when folks do that to me) in two years one would think
a competent GM could find at least one fast, tall, safety , who knows
where is his supposed to be and can tackle -- especially given that the
team above us in our division has two, count em, two (or more if they
get Visante or Shockey) TE to create mismatches against our too slow
Eric Smith and too slow and short and oft injured Jim Leonhard.
I would rather have replaced Leonhard now with someone better. How come
Tanny cannot do that.
h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
H...there just aren't that many of them around. The guys in college all
want to play corner and the money is in playing corner. I think the way the
game is going now there needs to be far more emphasis on some safeties than
corners...or somehow convert some "large" corners. I'd bet really good ones
are among the scarcest of positions. Did you see that Landry is PUP ? I
think that is a huge gamble too given his past record. I'm actually going
to be very surprised if he plays a full season...extremely surprised. Rex's
D scheme is predicated on great corner play and the safeties filling and
stopping the run game. I think a lot of that is because LB's really get
into the pass rush. I honestly think if they had some serious down threats
it would help a lot. They have not had one of those in a long time. I also
think the safeties they have or have had would look a Hell of a lot better
if they were not so involved in run stopping all the time. I still see a
lot of questions in this roster right now and not just on offense.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 24 2012 3:16 pm
From: "papacarl"
"Harlan Lachman" wrote in message
news:harlan-8D9615.14305424072012@news60.forteinc.com...
In article <
39ydnXj51JqWVJDNnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"papacarl" <
papa.carl@notatverizon.net> wrote:
> I'd still
> rather have a guy who has shortness as the downfall but knows where to be,
Yes, but (I hate when folks do that to me) in two years one would think
a competent GM could find at least one fast, tall, safety , who knows
where is his supposed to be and can tackle -- especially given that the
team above us in our division has two, count em, two (or more if they
get Visante or Shockey) TE to create mismatches against our too slow
Eric Smith and too slow and short and oft injured Jim Leonhard.
I would rather have replaced Leonhard now with someone better. How come
Tanny cannot do that.
h
______________________________________________________________________
I just heard Shockey is talking to the Eagles.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2012 5:40 am
From: John C TX
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:16:19 PM UTC-5, papacarl wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" wrote in message
> news:harlan-8D9615.14305424072012@news60.forteinc.com...
>
> In article &
lt;39ydnXj51JqWVJDNnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papacarl" &
lt;papa.carl@notatverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I'd still
> > rather have a guy who has shortness as the downfall but knows where to be,
>
> Yes, but (I hate when folks do that to me) in two years one would think
> a competent GM could find at least one fast, tall, safety , who knows
> where is his supposed to be and can tackle -- especially given that the
> team above us in our division has two, count em, two (or more if they
> get Visante or Shockey) TE to create mismatches against our too slow
> Eric Smith and too slow and short and oft injured Jim Leonhard.
>
> I would rather have replaced Leonhard now with someone better. How come
> Tanny cannot do that.
>
> h
> ______________________________________________________________________
> I just heard Shockey is talking to the Eagles.
I thought he would have been a good pick up for two reasons:
1. Depth at the receiving TE position
2. His blocking is underrated.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2012 5:42 am
From: John C TX
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:15:44 PM UTC-5, papacarl wrote:
> "Harlan Lachman" wrote in message
> news:harlan-8D9615.14305424072012@news60.forteinc.com...
>
> In article &
lt;39ydnXj51JqWVJDNnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "papacarl" &
lt;papa.carl@notatverizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I'd still
> > rather have a guy who has shortness as the downfall but knows where to be,
>
> Yes, but (I hate when folks do that to me) in two years one would think
> a competent GM could find at least one fast, tall, safety , who knows
> where is his supposed to be and can tackle -- especially given that the
> team above us in our division has two, count em, two (or more if they
> get Visante or Shockey) TE to create mismatches against our too slow
> Eric Smith and too slow and short and oft injured Jim Leonhard.
>
> I would rather have replaced Leonhard now with someone better. How come
> Tanny cannot do that.
>
> h
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> H...there just aren't that many of them around. The guys in college all
> want to play corner and the money is in playing corner. I think the way the
> game is going now there needs to be far more emphasis on some safeties than
> corners...or somehow convert some "large" corners. I'd bet really good ones
> are among the scarcest of positions. Did you see that Landry is PUP ? I
> think that is a huge gamble too given his past record. I'm actually going
> to be very surprised if he plays a full season...extremely surprised. Rex's
> D scheme is predicated on great corner play and the safeties filling and
> stopping the run game. I think a lot of that is because LB's really get
> into the pass rush. I honestly think if they had some serious down threats
> it would help a lot. They have not had one of those in a long time. I also
> think the safeties they have or have had would look a Hell of a lot better
> if they were not so involved in run stopping all the time. I still see a
> lot of questions in this roster right now and not just on offense.
It is a tough defense if you have to play in the secondary. Safeties are just tough to find.
I really wish that they would try Wilson there. He has more speed & he is willing to hit.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 25 2012 6:44 am
From:
mjd1966@verizon.net
I think the Giants are and have always been a great organization. One of the best in the leagues. Great history, great accomplishments. As an NFL fan and a sports fan, I am also very fond of the Mara family. The NBA is not a sport... It is basketball but it is not a sport. Same with MLB. Those are EXHIBITIONS. None of the teams come to the table with the same amount of chips to play with. Given that, you cant call the NBA or MLB sports... BUT... Thanks to Mara and Rooney, the NFL is not only football, but it is a TRUE SPORT. With profit sharing and a hard cap, we can look forward to places like Green Bay coming with a team that can come and duke it out on equal terms with NYC teams. Gotta love it !!!. For that, I will always admire Mara and Rooney along with the others that had the foresight to structure the NFL to remain as a true sport. I also like the current Giants QB a lot. Not an arrogant pig or a big mouth, but obviously, he's tuff as nails and makes the plays when they are needed most. I don't have anything but respect for the Giants as a team and as an organization. I was even down with Brandon Jacobs when he said the Jets had a big belly coach with a big mouth. As much as I love Rex more than any Jet coach in history, I thought Jacobs was funny and entitled to spout off.
Now... On to the Giants fans...
Although there are MANY class Giants fans, a good deal of them are total pieces of shit. In order to project the superiority that they DON'T HAVE (see narcissistic delusions), they keep clinging to the idea that they are a cut above Jets fans. Not true at all. I have been to both Jets and Giants games. The Jets are a better behaved group of fans. They get louder than the Giants fans and talk more about football in the stands, but they don't act out like schmucks. I see a considerable increase in drunken louts at Giants games. And lets not forget who injured bystanders by throwing ice balls.
Also good for the low born contingent among Giants fans... It is true that the Jets have a larger percentage of working class people in their fan base than the Giants do. It is also true that the Jets have the highest percentage of women fans of any NFL team in the league. That includes the highest percentage of woman season ticket holders. And they know the names of the lineman as well as the guys at the skill position.... Now... Here is something else to put in your big blue pipe to smoke... Guess which NFL franchise has the highest percentage of multi-millionaire fans and season ticket holders...Yep... You guessed it... The Jets... We have all the glitzy Wall Streeters and Madison avenue types... That has been the case since Sonny Werblin worked his magic with his fledgling AFL team.
So... I just wanted you delusional Giants trolls to know... I like and admire your team very much, but you belong in the gutter in comparison with your average Jets fan.
Just a friendly reminder... Wipe off your seat when you leave JetLife stadium so Jets fans don't have to come in contact with any residue from lower life forms.
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